NBA looking to change the 1 and Done Rule

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Not sure what the plan would be...but, the logical step is 2 and done. OR, match what they do in College Football. I'm curious if legal challenges would be considered if a change is made.

The Commish said:

“My sense is it’s not working for anyone,” Silver said Thursday night before Game 1 of the N.B.A. finals. “It’s not working for the college coaches and athletic directors I hear from. They’re not happy with the current system. And I know our teams aren’t happy either, in part because they don’t necessarily think the players who are coming into the league are getting the kind of training that they would expect to see.”


http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/06/02/n-b-commissioner-ready-change-one-done-rule/

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If the NBA is looking for training then pay D league players and put more $ in to it.

There has to be a rule to stop Kentucky. It is one thing to get 1 and done players, it is another to have a 30 30 on ESPN showing how it is their strategy.

What I'd like to see is every year colleges get 4 new scholarships. Over a 4 year periodyou can introduce 16 student athletes to your program

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

If the NBA is looking for training then pay D league players and put more $ in to it.

There has to be a rule to stop Kentucky. It is one thing to get 1 and done players, it is another to have a 30 30 on ESPN showing how it is their strategy.

What I'd like to see is every year colleges get 4 new scholarships. Over a 4 year periodyou can introduce 16 student athletes to your program

Good Solution.... with all the NBA money, they can do this. But, I'm concerned about those guys that "Think" ( No names FIG) they are good enough, never even make it to college and lose an opportunity at the education. But, the reality is, many at that level are not interested in the free education.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I really would like to see an analysis of those type of players and the actual education they receive. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule.

On their watch the NCAA allowed college sports to be ruled by $. It is an absolute joke that Rutgers needs to take an airplane to play any conference games. Even bigger that the women's volleyball team has to take a plane to almost all road conference games.

 

[MGSA99]

The NBA would love to have kids play college ball as long as possible because they don't want to take a chance on young untested kids. However, if a kid wants to play in the NBA without going to college, why shouldn't he not have that choice?

And the 1 and done is ridiculous because how much schooling is a 1-and-done getting? Answer is just enough to be eligible during the spring semester in which case they show up to zero classes in preparation for declaring for the draft anyway.

Solution is to go the baseball route. Kids can opt to be drafted out of high school or go to college until they turn 21.

 

[ouchmyknee]

They really should follow MLB. Let the kids be draft eligible right out of high school. If they don't get drafted or choose to go to college then they need to stay a few years.

 

[RUsojo]

Not sure what the plan would be...but, the logical step is 2 and done. OR, match what they do in College Football. I'm curious if legal challenges would be considered if a change is made.

The Commish said:

“My sense is it’s not working for anyone,” Silver said Thursday night before Game 1 of the N.B.A. finals. “It’s not working for the college coaches and athletic directors I hear from. They’re not happy with the current system. And I know our teams aren’t happy either, in part because they don’t necessarily think the players who are coming into the league are getting the kind of training that they would expect to see.”


http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/06/02/n-b-commissioner-ready-change-one-done-rule/

The NBA would love to have kids play college ball as long as possible because they don't want to take a chance on young untested kids. However, if a kid wants to play in the NBA without going to college, why shouldn't he not have that choice?

And the 1 and done is ridiculous because how much schooling is a 1-and-done getting? Answer is just enough to be eligible during the spring semester in which case they show up to zero classes in preparation for declaring for the draft anyway.

Solution is to go the baseball route. Kids can opt to be drafted out of high school or go to college until they turn 21.

Legally there is not a problem. Whatever the NBA decides will not be successfully challenged. The NFL withstood a similar test when Maurice Clarett attempted to gain early entry into the league. Most attorneys will tell you their case was legally speaking VERY strong. But guess what? The beast known as the NFL is stronger.

I imagine it would be more of the same with the NBA.

 

[biazza38]

The NHL has a really good system. You can be drafted but still play in college. The team who drafts you has your rights for 3 or 4 years while you are in college. I'm pretty sure you can sign with you team at any point. Unlike baseball where you can get drafted but the team loses you if you choose to go to college

 

[RUfinal4]

They should have a true minor league system since many of the hoops players have no intention of going to college

NBA - top level
D League - AAA level
R League - rookie level - Season is June through August to allow players to attend college classes or be in a 2 year scool
Expand the draft to 10 or 12 rounds (2 spots on NBA roster, then rest for minor leagues)

 

[MADHAT1]

Let the players turn pro right out of HS, those not draft by a NBA team could go into a secondary D-league draft ( 2-3 rounds) and play a max of 4 years in the DLeague.
After 2 years in D-League any NBA team can grab that player and put them on their roster by giving a D Draft pick for him .

My opinion: All players become ineligible for DLeague play 6 years after turning pro no matter where they played first pro game at.
Let them go play in the CBA and have the NBA have some kind of arrangement with that league

 

[MV9000]

i think you should be able to be drafted out of highschool. If you opt not to go mandatory 2 years in college, possibly 3.

I dont think the minor league stuff is sustainable for basketball like it is for baseball. I know plenty who hit minor league games for family fun. I know no one who says hey lets go to our local D-league game.

 

[nirrad]

As they should

 

[Doctor Worm]

They really should follow MLB. Let the kids be draft eligible right out of high school. If they don't get drafted or choose to go to college then they need to stay a few years.

The problem with that approach, from the NBA perspective, is that a kid coming out of high school has bargaining leverage. He can either sign with the team that drafted him, or go to college. That would put an end to the rookie salary scale:

UNLESS... you deviate from the MLB model in one of two ways:

1. Allow the drafting team to retain the player's rights, similar to what the NBA now does with international players.
2. Force the HS player to declare for the draft, as it now does with underclassmen. This assumes that the NCAA rule that a player who goes into (and stays in) the draft forfeits all remaining eligibility, whether drafted or not.

I like Option 1 but not 2.

 

[Plum Street]

If the NBA is looking for training then pay D league players and put more $ in to it.

There has to be a rule to stop Kentucky. It is one thing to get 1 and done players, it is another to have a 30 30 on ESPN showing how it is their strategy.

What I'd like to see is every year colleges get 4 new scholarships. Over a 4 year periodyou can introduce 16 student athletes to your program

This . Colleges don't need to be taken hostage by the NBA. The NCAA can make a rule limiting scholarships over a 4 year or 2 year period. I am getting sick of the one and dones. Let some guys that may actually want to get a degree someday get a scholarship .

 

[OntheBanks]

At the completion of their Freshmen year let the players 'verbal' to be drafted. If they are not drafted and sign a contract let them return to school. To spread the wealth in
college basketball the NBA should limit to 1 the number of Freshmen drafted and a total of 2 players from a college team.
OR
NCAA should change the rules to go back to where players have to redshirt their freshmen year.

 

[MADHAT1]

Just out of HS players should be able to enter draft and if not drafted must go JUCO route for 2 years in order to be eligible to have eligibility to play 2 years at a 4 year college
D-league should be open to kids not interested or not qualified for college when they leave HS.

 

[TDIrish27]

To me the baseball rule is best for both parties----leave after sr year or wait till you are 21. Remember that in many cases that would only mean 2 years of college for these kids.

Madhat respectfully I have zero interest in making the Westchester Bulls into Kentucky.

 

[RUinFla]

NBA players would certainly prefer a two and done rule for college players. Whenever the subject of letting kids jump to the NBA out of HS, people bring up the names of guys that were complete flops. Teams would love to have that second season to evaluate players to avoid draft mistakes. Would be really hard to keep your Chris Washburn clones eligible for a year and a half; most guys drafted stop going to class and concentrate on preparing themselves physically for the NBA, since basketball is hopefully going to be their profession. Two and done is a better plan for all; more schools could do what Dook does: set up a sociology program for BB players, only, to keep them eligible. The prospective one and dones would chafe, and complain about having to go to class, and possible injury, but teams and schools could plan better; kids would enter the NBA a bit more physically and mentally mature, and might not need as much warehousing. Saw Silver on Colin Cowherd's show--seems like a decent guy.
TL

 

[Russ Wood]

I've long favored letting kids enter the draft out of HS but if they enroll in college they're not eligible for the NBA draft until the 3rd NBA draft following their enrollment.

 

[RJM_Go_RU]

It's not even one and done for some of these kids. More like half a semester and done.

 

[RUBigFrank]

Two year wait rule would benefit the NBA players union - as it limits the supply of players and increases salary leverage.

Same thing happened in baseball years ago when they instituted free agency rules - owners thought they were getting the better end of the deal.

 

[Mr_Twister]

I've long favored letting kids enter the draft out of HS but if they enroll in college they're not eligible for the NBA draft until the 3rd NBA draft following their enrollment.

Right now, college football players with NFL futures sit out meaningless bowl games. The same will happen in college basketball.

 

[RUJMM78]

Most players drafted in the first round were freshmen or foreign players.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

I've long favored letting kids enter the draft out of HS but if they enroll in college they're not eligible for the NBA draft until the 3rd NBA draft following their enrollment.

I would like to see High School or College kids get an option to go BACK to College if they don't get drafted, however, they would need to be 3 years removed from High School to re-enter the draft for a 2nd time.

I know this would be wildly unpopular....but, better for the Kids

 

[Russ Wood]

I would like to see High School or College kids get an option to go BACK to College if they don't get drafted, however, they would need to be 3 years removed from High School to re-enter the draft for a 2nd time.

I know this would be wildly unpopular....but, better for the Kids

Probably every college coach would be against this. Because of roster management. The draft occurs right about the time incoming freshman report to school.

It's difficult enough for coaches to get recruits to be patient until after the season is over to learn if they'll have space for them. Asking the recruit to wait until the end of June to see if a player who declared early didn't get drafted is going to come back to school?

I just don't see how that's feasible but definitely feel you on trying to come up with a solution that's good for the kids

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

What's the difference between getting drafted in the 2nd round or signing with a team right after the draft? (I have no idea)

You really want to make things interesting......make the draft open ended. Anyone drafted gets a guaranteed contract. Draft is unlimited in rounds. When it is the team's turn to select they either pick a player or exit the draft for good.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Probably every college coach would be against this. Because of roster management. The draft occurs right about the time incoming freshman report to school.

It's difficult enough for coaches to get recruits to be patient until after the season is over to learn if they'll have space for them. Asking the recruit to wait until the end of June to see if a player who declared early didn't get drafted is going to come back to school?

I just don't see how that's feasible but definitely feel you on trying to come up with a solution that's good for the kids

I understand ....colleges would need to scramble to find guys late in the process....so, I agree, probably not feasible.

My issue is everything is geared towards what's best for the College or What's best for the NBA.....not much is geared towards doing what's best for the kids.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

The current situation is very untidy - and results from a lot of scrambled priorities - and the extension to a "Two & done" will be even more of a mess

Some will believe that many kids will benefit from some "maturing" - but for the most part what the NBA wants to see gain the most 'maturing' is the kid's basketball skill set -
- the NBA is not seriously craving their prospects to have 'maturity' gleaned from 30 credits of English 101, Sociology 101, History 101 etc. ....and in reality a one & done player can skate through by doing a nominal course load first semester & skating by - and signing up for - but blowing off - the second semester - maybe getting by with successfully getting through 12 (low-degree of difficulty) credits or less (probably in many circumstances out in the 'gray zone' - it is far less)

- the other 'maturity' that is desired (if needed) is more like 'life skills 101' /and a bit of "don't be an immature child 101" - and helping of take your b-ball game to the next level - and all of these have virtually nothing to do with any sort of collegiate scholastic achievement

The extension of the "one & done" to a sort of "Two & done" - will become an administrative / ethical / procedural dumpster fire in many cases - as the so-called 'college experience' will extend to a length of duration that will bring in accountability for academic performance for these 'student'-athletes - but for many of them the 'student' part will still simply be a charade - they are only making the gesture to look like they are a college student for 2 years so they can get to the NBA - and it will get messy because it is easy to pull off the charade for one basketball year - but for some kids there will be instances of violative gaming of the system / cheating to keep them eligible for the second year - or - they will get tossed out of the "maturing process" for failure to academically succeed in the classroom.

There has to be a better way - but there are so many competing priorities that it make it nearly impossible to make it more straightforward.

 

[MADHAT1]

I would like to see High School or College kids get an option to go BACK to College if they don't get drafted, however, they would need to be 3 years removed from High School to re-enter the draft for a 2nd time.

I know this would be wildly unpopular....but, better for the Kids

Maybe , if a HS player enters draft but doesn't get drafted , he has to go to a JUCO for 2 years before he regains eligibility to play his final 2 years at a 4 year college program.

 

[LotusAggressor]

As was mentioned in a previous post, if the NBA wants better trained players, they should invest in a real minor league system. In the vast majority of cases, most college basketball programs don't prepare players to do anything other than play better college basketball. Many of the better players in the NBA over the last 30 plus years either benefited from not playing in college or had their games stifled at the college level.

 

[jrh51]

As was mentioned in a previous post, if the NBA wants better trained players, they should invest in a real minor league system. In the vast majority of cases, most college basketball programs don't prepare players to do anything other than play better college basketball. Many of the better players in the NBA over the last 30 plus years either benefited from not playing in college or had their games stifled at the college level.

Wouldn't having 28 G league teams count a "real" minor league system? That's over 400 guys who get a chance to play professionally stateside that wouldn't have had the opportunity 6 -10 years ago....