True, I guess. Haha. But no longer directly supporting with donations, tickets etc
NIL, what's the best course of action to remedy this?
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True, I guess. Haha. But no longer directly supporting with donations, tickets etc
Let us pretend they actually attend classes
Let it to be the farm system
In fact eligibility should be 8 years
But lets remove the student athlete label
Let it to be the farm system
In fact eligibility should be 8 years
But lets remove the student athlete label
I’ve gotten over the whole amateur thing and agree that players deserve to get paid given the absurd amount of money that CFB and to a lesser lever CBB generates. I just want to see accountability written in to contracts e.g opt out of bowl games you don’t get final payment and possible financial penalty, you don’t perform you get cut including scholarship (probably already in place)… Have to imagine this is where it’s heading.
Bc we're just at the beginning of this. I promise you as NIL takes hold more and more separation is going to occur between the programs with strong NIL support and those without.
I don't think you realize just how fast we can go back to 2018 without proper NIL support in this conference.
Agree. Teenage athletes get paid and reprimanded all the time in professional leagues throughout the world.
GO RU
The internet just lost a lot of words.
I will over time as will many others. Thats my choice. They will find new saps to pay the bills
Why I hate NIL. Agree..it’s gonna really screw up competitive balance
And that may be when the on field product takes a hit, which is when I’ll likely stop watching for good.
Hopefully not for a while
Yeah, yeah ...forgive us for not believing it 'til we see it.
Bro why are you even a fan? For real if you're gonna bash our student athletes like that then find a new hobby. Yea, they attend class. In fact a hell of a lot more than most students as teams will not allow more than a few unexcused absences, I would know, I was an athlete at Rutgers from 2007-2011. Student athletes are required to not only attend class but dedicate at least 10 hours per week to Study/Tutor hours. That's on top of the 20 hours per week of training required during the season NOT including games and travel.
It's pretty clear that you have viewed college athletics as professional for a while with a take like that. Absolutely absurd. Meanwhile myself and so many other former athletes at Rutgers find themselves in 6 figure positions shortly after graduation.
Find a new hobby if you're going to be codgy and miserable
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Anyone thinking Rutgers can compete in a NIL world with top 40-50 programs which we are not a part of are fooling themselves...give it time
2007-2011 has no relation to paid players in 2024 with portal jumps from year to year now the majority norm
Harper has a $2 million empire per articles...you think schoolwork matters? Man you are naive
I can promise you not a single dollar of your tax money is going toward NIL collectives and paying athletes.
Why stay a fan of something that you hate? You haven't answered the question
Im already less invested and we are only a couple years into this
I’ve answered it plenty of times. I’m a fan of football. That’s why I watch. I’m a huge fan of the game
Not sure how accurate this is, but if the numbers at the following site are accurate, I personally think NJ professors are underpaid with respect to the value education has to our nation and to the cost of living in NJ. https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posting/tenured-professor-salary/nj.
Also, I wonder how much of a typical RU professor's salary is paid via tuition or other non-tax-sourced funds, versus how much is paid from the state via state taxes? I wouldn't think it was entirely paid via taxes.
If NIL didn’t “ruin college athletics”, would you have any issue with athletes getting an increase in pay?
Don’t know if I’d have an “issue”…since it wouldn’t really affect me. But I’d certainly still disagree with amateur athletes getting paid. Yea.
Huh? $2M is no kind of empire.
And more to the point, it's almost certainly a drop in the bucket of the profits being generated, in large part, due to his efforts in BB.
Is CFB and CBB amateur sports?
Considering the billion dollar media contracts, multi million dollar salaries for coaches and others involved?
If the sport isn’t “amateur” then why would the athletes be considered amateurs?
The coaches and administrators wouldn’t consider themselves “amateurs”.
I guess then don't call 'em amateur then. That's totally fair. I don't think too many people are too highly invested in the label "amateur" at this point.
I'm sure they have clauses for all kinds of things. The players who have actual real agents probably have clauses that benefit them as well.
I posted this in that GS NIL thread.
Some excerpts:
From the article:
• No, I did not take my biggest offer. Can I give a range? I’ll say (I left) 100 to 300 K. I just felt like I have a really good connection with the school I’m with. I just felt like it was too strong to break up.
• A lot. Probably $100,000. It didn’t mean much because that doesn’t play a big part. It’s mainly about the fit for me.
• I didn’t take the biggest offer. (I left), like, $100,000. It’s all right. I just know that my school now, I’ll be able to make more money eventually.
Smart was the only coach in the article that directly discussed NIL as opposed to the NIL collective manager handling it. Wonder if that might change in the future when schools start paying NIL. The coach might get more involved then.
From the article:
Each school would tell you how much you could make if you start, do things right. One conversation I remember was with (Georgia coach) Kirby Smart. You didn’t talk to an NIL manager at Georgia. He put a paper down, showed it to me and he said your money goes up the more you start and make plays. It was really organized. Some schools try to bring up things like development to push you away from the money.
From the article:
People don’t know, those contracts are very strategic on what they want you to do and if you don’t fit that certain type of (performance) your money’s gonna get taken down. So with all these NIL valuations that everybody’s getting, it sounds great, but what is in that contract? What are those clauses that say, “If you don’t do this, this and that, you’re gonna get cut to this?” And then you get cut to that, it’s gonna be like, “You told me one thing, you lied to me.” No. Read the contract. You have to have somebody that is understanding and that knows those types of things because you sign your life away.
I have a clause where I can get out of my contract any time I want to. And that’s why I loved my agency so much because they’re not money grabbing. They’re like, “Well, if you feel uncomfortable at any time, say you wanna do this, this and that, we can help you find other (options).” It wasn’t a situation where they were trying to feed off me. They’ve got (NFL) guys signed. They don’t need a couple thousand dollars from an 18-year-old.
How so?
You said they are already paid with a free education and other benefits?
Valued at tens of thousands of dollars.
Does that sound amateur?
The irony is they were never "amateurs" in the first place.
And the most earnest "they are amateurs!" frequently cite how "they are already paid via scholarship."
Defeating their own argument.
If they are already paid...duh then they weren't amateurs in the first place.
Now it's just a matter of compensation level.
I complain and a few others but I hardly see any groundswell of complaining about the crazy one sided deals coaches get and the fact that most of the time they're not even very restricted, if at all, from leaving. How many tens of millions have been wasted most years in buyouts. No one complains about that much.
The money doesn't even bother me too much, it's lack of pay for performance that they can get away with and the waste of resources on buyouts because of the crazy deals that irk me.
Complain about players making some money but not about the wasted millions on coaches and their sweetheart deals, go figure. At least with player deals, if they're bad you can get out of it in a year or 2 most likely.
A year old kid? You mean 18 (or whatever he is) year old kid? I mean, yeah, from a kid's perspective. But everything is relative.
The reality is $2M is just not a lot of money in 2025. If Dylan got hurt and couldn't play again, he's not going to live his whole life very comfortably on that $2M. So that college education starts looking a lot more important.
To a guy earning $30K saving lives as an EMT, with no real savings to speak of, $2M looks like a lot of money.
To a corporate CEO (who is no more uniquely talented than Harper) earning $30M per year with a net worth of $300M, the $2M is nowhere near a kingdom.
But why should any of this matter?
This is about the free market. And the free market should be equally accessible to all who wish to participate. Not equally profitable, that depends on talent, hard work and luck. Just equally accessible.
And that's all NIL (and athlete pay when that goes into effect) is. These things allows college athletes to participate in the same free market all the rest of us can participate in. Doesn't mean a player will succeed. Just means they can have success if they have the talent, put in the hard work, and have some good luck.
That’s why school is imprtant. Why the scholarship is important. Why maybe..there’s a risk only being in school for 1 year.
No need to guess. That's absolutely supporting the system that brought us here.
Kinda funny that fans caused the situation and now carry on complaining about it. Actionable self-awareness is painfully scarce.
No they really haven't. The have an old basketball arena built in the 70's, a football stadium with a 50k capacity that was updated in 2016 in the same kind of way ours was in 2009, an athletic center that up until Deion arrived was not as nice as the Hale center.
In a lot of ways we have very similar programs. I'd argue we have a major advantage over them being in the Big 10
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