LOL. He's been crying about quitting for years.
NIL, what's the best course of action to remedy this?
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LOL. He's been crying about quitting for years.
Bring back the time where you must sit out a year if you transfer. That solves a ton of these issues.
I know it does, I was an athlete at Rutgers and still go back to visit the program and as a former athlete, donor and letterman am allowed access to confirm these types of things.
But please go on and tell me again how much you know based on your own opinions you've made with no source other than what you've discussed on the internet.
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Nope, with the introduction of NIL these athletes are no longer amateur, once you accept money in exchange for a service you are a "professional". Now please understand I think this is long overdue for many college athletes as their schools and major media have profited off of their names for years but no one should refer to college athletics as "amateur" again. Instead, lets stop playing semantics and continue to refer to them as what we have for years, "College Athletes"
I would argue they never been "amateurs".
Why does it only have to be money?
If they are receiving tens of thousands of dollars worth of benefits in kind (scholarship) then they have never been "amateurs" and just playing for the love of the game.
For example, how many players would have attended Rutgers without a scholarship offer?
They (rightly) wanted to be paid for their services.
Walk-ons are the only true "amateurs" in college athletics.
Let's try a scenario here and please hear me out. Pretend a student is offered a full scholarship at a University for music as a drum player. Now while at said university in a class that student is paired with a group of other scholarship musicians, a Guitar player, Basest, and vocalist and instructed to record and perform songs together.
Now while they're rehearsing "magic happens" so to speak, they are inspired beyond belief and wind up recording the greatest album since Zeppelin II. The demand for the album is through the roof, it becomes a cultural phenomenon, TV Networks and major media sources like ESPN, FOX, Barstool and the like setup dedicated roadshows to travel around and report on this incredible album, sell advertising to report on the album.
The school then releases the album as it was recorded at their studio and is selling it everywhere, massive airplay, the album of the year. The Students in the group that recorded the album ask the university "Hey how bout some royalties on this album that you've made millions upon millions off of?" The school responds "Your Scholarship is your payment, you should be grateful". The students then respond saying "Ok well surely we can go out and make money by signing autographs, making appearances, and shooting commercials for outside entities since we're so popular from this, that way you keep the money from the album and airplay and we can profit off our fame." The school responds, "Oh no! If you do that you lose you scholarship, will be removed from the department and will not be welcomed back to campus as any form of ambassador".
I just described College Football the last 15 years Pre-NIL, and you're upset that it changed... Just leave
I disagree with this.
"Amateur" is not a differentiator between a hobbyist who enjoys something and plays for the "love of the game" and someone who rigorously trains to be the best (you should see how intense some of the recent retirees at my local community center get over pickleball), both are amateurs. I believe that receiving academic support does not disqualify someone from their amateur status, it's only once an athlete actually receives payment for their sport (Dollars, not benefits or trade which is essentially all a scholarship is) that the amateur status is disqualified.
If you love the game just watch it while we still have it.
In time either the price points or the lack of success will damage or destroy most programs. Some will drop down in level, while others go the way of the University of Chicago Football Program.
If you have some free time go read the old threads before Pandora's Box was opened. You may be surprised most on TKR supported pay for play.
In time either the price points or the lack of success will damage or destroy most programs. Some will drop down in level, while others go the way of the University of Chicago Football Program.
If you have some free time go read the old threads before Pandora's Box was opened. You may be surprised most on TKR supported pay for play.
So I FIRMLY believe Rutgers is a school that can be a big player in NIL if the right things occur. That's the key thing, the RIGHT THINGS. It's long been discussed but absolutely factual that we are the closest D1 program logistically to the most valuable city on planet earth. The amount of money that flows through NYC is impossible to comprehend, now that we have a situation where we ACTUALLY CAN control things in a far easier way by becoming the highest bidder we can establish ourselves as a program. The key is finding a way to convince the NYC football fan to care. How you do that, I don't know, but right now the NYC football fan is as desperate as ever for a winner with the state of the Jets and Giants and we've gotta get them invested. It actually can buy results
because they can just as easily support their alma maters or be part of the top successful programs. NYC football fans do not really care about Rutgers if they did we wouldnt have empties at our stadium
in theory sure there is a lot of money in this area...but what is their compelling reason to dump boatloads of cash to an athletic department who has not been relevant and we are currently having a massive failure this season in hoops
we have no AD and no president so good luck with this
Hope springs eternal. I hope your vision comes true, but sadly I think this is a pipedream. I hope I'm wrong and your vision happens.
Besides this is a little chicken or the egg thing in this area. NY tri-state fans are more fans of events, then teams. Now many are transplants, and often have established teams. This is why NJ is hard to recruit for Rutgers, many people move. We somehow need lightening in a bottle to get people to care. The Block R did it, but not until Pandemonium in Piscataway. With all the tampering and old money I'm pessimistic!
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It's going to take a dynamic personality, but it's possible. The country loves someone they know, get someone who'se going to resonate with NYC and get them excited and you'd be blown away at what's possible. If Colorado can get Deion Sanders and North Carolina can get Bill Belichek there's no doubt in my mind we can pull something incredible with our proximity to the media capital of the world. Now the one thing I do piss off a lot of other posters with, is that I do not believe it's possible with Greg Schiano
The genie is out of the bottle. There were idiots who thought all NIL would be was endorsement. Anyone with a brain knew this is exactly how itd go.
Only way to somewhat reign it in is mandatory 1 year sit out for transfers
Only way to somewhat reign it in is mandatory 1 year sit out for transfers
It's really not that hard if you just lean in and embrace what it's become, people are reluctant to do that though. I don't believe it would be a hard sell to Giants and Jets fans at this point to reinvest some of their funds into RU if they know they could buy a contender. I don't think the public knowledge is there the way those of us on this board who are consumed with college football are familiar with it to be.
It takes a huge personality though, but it CAN be done.
Again I hope you prove to be right, but I think it is more likely Rutgers goes down in level of play, rather than finding a huge benefactor. It's all corporate now just like pro sports. All the price points will continually go up. Which is as much a reason the Giants have empty seats as opposed to the waiting list they used to have, to the fact they suck.
Coach Schiano should go plead to a list of rich alumni and NJ residents this off-season. Hopefully a few CEO's will decide to play GM for real or some equivalent. Seriously I see this as our best bet.
Colleges were ripping everyone off - especially adjuncts as low paid Russian serfs who couldn't use the copier.
All that while tuition inflation was worse than healthcare.
Look at Ivy unis having wrecked themselves on the rocks - got spoiled, entitled and headed by DEI hires who plagiarized.
The unis propagandized kids about "income inequality" while they were leading the pack creating it at exorbitant costs.
Ignorance can be fixed but miseducation is practically forever.
I like all colleges but the reset is coming and there is going to be a cull.
When "education" wages war on common sense its time to pull the plug
Again Colorado and notably North Carolina dwarf Rutgers in athletics
North Carolina football certainly not. I also laid out how Colorado did not either but yet you continue to choose to be a cynic. What continue being a fan? You words, ‘Time to find a new pastime’ no one’s stopping you old fart
Last time I checked the schools pay for the facilities, coaches, equipment, etc. in addition to taking a haircut on tuition and granting schollies, food, housing, etc. Without the colleges where are all these NIL-starved athletes going to play football after high school?
Because for the scholarship athletes, they were already getting paid.
And to be honest I could never figure out or understand why someone in this situation still couldn’t get a summer job.
I’m an alum and care about RU’s reputation. But honestly, do most folks, fans, television sports care about “student athletes?” If RU had a football team go 10-2 in repeated years and made the college football playoff, do you think the vast majority of RU people would care about the players academic status? Do people and fans care that Bailey and Harper are playing BB for 1 year and have no real connection to academics at RU? I don’t think so. They want the teams to have success and win and will normalize and rationalize everything associated with winning games.
With the type of person who is enrolled and playing for us now? Probably not. I like who we are.
Not everyone can be a Myron Rolle. But if they can be like him off the field and out of the classroom, I’m good. And so should everyone else.
... unless you're a foreign student on a student visa. Then you don't have a right to earn money.
Scholarship non-athletes are also already getting paid and they could always go out and earn all the additional money they wish. Depending on the school and grad program, scholarship grad students can and do earn income (albeit typicall not very much) directly from schools if they work as research assistants.
As far as I am aware, only student-athletes were prohibited from earning income. And only because so many people had a financial interest in preventing athletes from participating in the profit sharing. At one time, when the profits were not so significant, it was a far less inequitable thing. That’s obviously changed.
It’s never been about leveling the competition ‘cause the competition was never level in the first place. That was an excuse, a myth propagated by those who wanted to maintain the status quo. Just need to follow the money, like with everything else.
Which, as previously said above, I never understood…not being able to hold a job out of season. In season I totally understand. But not so much in the off-season.
The athlete though is still making out compared to the academic when the fringe is factored in. Even moreso after the stipend was given starting a few years ago. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but it might be 5 figures now.
It’s kind of hard to take a post that complains about indoctrination in education seriously when the post doing the complaining is overflowing with ideological narrative. I may have to submit your post to the Ironic Quote Society as an early contender for most ironic quote of 2025. 😉
Which seems silly to me. We should allow it but triple the income taxes they must pay. Show me the money!
Under the House v. NCAA settlement agreement, all NIL deals will have to be reported. An arbitrator will decide whether an NIL deal between an athlete and "entities and individuals affiliated with the schools," (such as collectives) serves a valid business purpose or is merely a pay-for-play scheme. So the college sports world is going to change dramatically. https://www.bradley.com/insights/pu...d-bring-significant-changes-to-college-sports
Yes I’ve seen that but I’m like who is this arbitrator and how is it going to be determined and enforced. Still sounds ambiguous to me.
The arbitrators will probably come from a panel, as in baseball arbitration. Determining whether there is a valid business purpose to a deal may not be easy, but it's no harder than lots of determinations arbitrators (and judges) make. The enforcement would be to bar the athlete fr entering into the deal -- again, not exceptionally complicated.
The more important aspect is that each school will be able to spend $22 million a year paying athletes. So player compensation will not be primarily from private NIL agreements, but rather from the school. Just as in the NFL or NBA, a school will have to figure out the best way to allocate that $22 million. But at least the playing field will become largely level.
Congress passes a quickly graduated tax rate of from 0% below $25K to 95% after $100K on NIL money.
That will tone things down and the difference of a few thousand here or there after taxes may make talent spread out for reasons other than dollar signs. And all this crap about athletes going hungry will be moot too.
The North Csrolina and Colorado athletic departments dwarf Rutgers through history. Rutgers would never land or even entertain Bill Belechek Rutgers is at the low end of the totem pole when it comes to power 4 conference in a group with 10-15 others
Whether for better or worse, there is no evidence Congress is going to do that. So, yes, the ship has sailed on whether college athletes will be compensated. The real question is whether the House v. NCAA settlement that I describe above is going to prove workable.
Wait, what? How you gonna tax student-athlete earnings at a higher rate than everybody else’s earnings? LOL
If Congress were going to do anything like that, it simply would have granted the NCAA an exemption from the antitrust laws so that none of the lawsuits would be possible. That's not going to happen either.
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