Congress can't find their asses with both hands. There's no way that they'll pass a tax on NIL money.
NIL, what's the best course of action to remedy this?
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It might sound silly, but if the government has the ability to take it away from you at will, then it isn't a "right."
For those trying to compare academic scholarships to athletic = are the schools supporting massive facilities specifically for those academic students? Paying specific teachers $5M+ per year? Are you going to say the classrooms are comparable to the football stadium, weight-room, bubble, etc.? The colleges fund huge sports specific infrastructure to give these athletes a place to compete. If not for the colleges, all of these players would have nowhere to go unless a minor league system is put in place at which points there would be zero education for those individuals. People on this thread act like the schools just rakes in $$$ off the backs of athletes. It’s a joke.
If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.
Besides RU I’ve adopted one of the blue blood schools and a MAC school to root for. One will give me a rooting interest for the championship every year and the other lets me enjoy college sports the way it was before NIL and free agency.
Besides RU I’ve adopted one of the blue blood schools and a MAC school to root for. One will give me a rooting interest for the championship every year and the other lets me enjoy college sports the way it was before NIL and free agency.
The rich have now been given full license to make the rules and the sheep in this country are ok with that. This applies to everything including college football. The only way NIL changes is if it does not financially work out for those who make the most cash off of college football. Your post seems to suggest you don’t realize this is true
A lot to digest in this thread.
NIL Collectives are experiencing a lot of donor fatigue. Not just the big boys. Even modest donors are experiencing burn out. Donating thousands of dollars for a sense of helping your alme’ mat’re only gets you so far. I think we are learning what the true market can bear.
We are part of the Big Ten we will have the resources to pay the players the 22 million mandated by the courts.
For that reason we are so much better off than schools like Colorado and North Carolina.
I also love the fact that Schiano and Co value education and there will be options for the the kids who don’t play on Sundays
It may take an act of congress to have player collective bargaining agreements but if we’re going to be NFL light we need to level the playing field.
You would think the NCAA could do it but they are a paper tiger who gets its ass kicked every time they go near a court room.
A lot of changes but back to the OP, that is terrible that a coach puts together a playoff caliber season and gets cherry picked of it’s best players. That needs to be addressed.
All in all, Rutgers in is a great place. We are a growing brand. We will be able to adapt as all these challenges get hashed out!
Go RU
NIL Collectives are experiencing a lot of donor fatigue. Not just the big boys. Even modest donors are experiencing burn out. Donating thousands of dollars for a sense of helping your alme’ mat’re only gets you so far. I think we are learning what the true market can bear.
We are part of the Big Ten we will have the resources to pay the players the 22 million mandated by the courts.
For that reason we are so much better off than schools like Colorado and North Carolina.
I also love the fact that Schiano and Co value education and there will be options for the the kids who don’t play on Sundays
It may take an act of congress to have player collective bargaining agreements but if we’re going to be NFL light we need to level the playing field.
You would think the NCAA could do it but they are a paper tiger who gets its ass kicked every time they go near a court room.
A lot of changes but back to the OP, that is terrible that a coach puts together a playoff caliber season and gets cherry picked of it’s best players. That needs to be addressed.
All in all, Rutgers in is a great place. We are a growing brand. We will be able to adapt as all these challenges get hashed out!
Go RU
Not sure about the okay part. More like many don’t know what or how to change/address it. And I’m not just talking about NIL or CFB.
Was very surprised to hear this on tMB from many who live for CFB.
When the diehards, some who can even afford it, start to question what’s going on…well, makes you think.
I think players should be paid. It should be built into the system. Schools make millions.
They should be paying.
When it comes down to NIL, it is tough, you want to help the program but if you have x amount of dollars to give. Do you give to the program or St Jude’s Medical Center ( for example)?
They should be paying.
When it comes down to NIL, it is tough, you want to help the program but if you have x amount of dollars to give. Do you give to the program or St Jude’s Medical Center ( for example)?
Let me summarize:
* Everything is going to change next year due to the House v. NCAA lawsuit settlement. Schools will be paying athletes directly up to an annual salary cap of $22 million (which goes up over time.) NIL collectives are going to become a thing of the past because deals between boosters and athletes will be allowed only when they serve a valid business purposes (which at present very few, if any, do) rather than being recruitment incentives. NIL is going to become what was supposed to be: a way for athletes to get paid by third parties for, for instance, product endorsements and licensing names and images. (see the link)
*Unionization of college athletes may well now be in the interest of the schools. That's because the ground rules for compensation could then be set in a collective bargaining agreement between the schools and the union rather than being determined by lawsuit settlements.
*No one knows how Title IX's guarantee of gender equality is going to apply to the $22 million.
*No one knows if Congress is going to act or how it will act if it does. All we know is that it hasn't acted yet despite the clamoring of the NCAA for legislation. Even if Congress does, there are no indications that Congress will restore a world in which college athletes don't get paid.
*Compensation of college athletes is here to stay. Fans who don't like it will have to think about whether they want to stop being fans.
Here's the link: https://www.ncsasports.org/name-image-likeness
* Everything is going to change next year due to the House v. NCAA lawsuit settlement. Schools will be paying athletes directly up to an annual salary cap of $22 million (which goes up over time.) NIL collectives are going to become a thing of the past because deals between boosters and athletes will be allowed only when they serve a valid business purposes (which at present very few, if any, do) rather than being recruitment incentives. NIL is going to become what was supposed to be: a way for athletes to get paid by third parties for, for instance, product endorsements and licensing names and images. (see the link)
*Unionization of college athletes may well now be in the interest of the schools. That's because the ground rules for compensation could then be set in a collective bargaining agreement between the schools and the union rather than being determined by lawsuit settlements.
*No one knows how Title IX's guarantee of gender equality is going to apply to the $22 million.
*No one knows if Congress is going to act or how it will act if it does. All we know is that it hasn't acted yet despite the clamoring of the NCAA for legislation. Even if Congress does, there are no indications that Congress will restore a world in which college athletes don't get paid.
*Compensation of college athletes is here to stay. Fans who don't like it will have to think about whether they want to stop being fans.
Here's the link: https://www.ncsasports.org/name-image-likeness
Simple solution: students must be students first.
Everyone playing sports where NIL is involved must be subject to the exact same entrance and eligibility standards as everyone else.
That’s easy to regulate and implement. The do it all the time for 99.9% of the rest of the student body.
I would go as far as to say for revenue sports, red-shirt years for first year players are mandatory. Kids must take classes a full year before getting any playing time and remain academically eligible. Same for any transfer students (same exceptions as in the 00s).
The farce that is today’s “student”-athlete became this way because the powers that be allowed it.
Everyone playing sports where NIL is involved must be subject to the exact same entrance and eligibility standards as everyone else.
That’s easy to regulate and implement. The do it all the time for 99.9% of the rest of the student body.
I would go as far as to say for revenue sports, red-shirt years for first year players are mandatory. Kids must take classes a full year before getting any playing time and remain academically eligible. Same for any transfer students (same exceptions as in the 00s).
The farce that is today’s “student”-athlete became this way because the powers that be allowed it.
Well they are.
The individual firefighters do most of the real work (like the players) but don’t get paid as much as the officers (position coach, coordinators) and those above (HC, AD) leading them. Nor should they.
But IMO true NIL is a great idea. Same with the ability to work out of season.
I think you nailed it. This system now is crazy .Its the wild Wild West. It will take congress to sort it out. NCAA is useless.
Many don’t like it, won’t pay for it (NIL, donations for things that in their opinion don’t matter) but will still come. For now.
This is going to crush certain sports. Plenty of D1 coaches have already said they have no idea where all the money is coming from and where it ends up going. Schools will reevaluate all sports.
Right now the courts are sorting it out. The $22 million, etc. is a product of a lawsuit settlement that the judge has approved. It is hard for Congress to pass legislation -- the framers of the U.S. Constitution did that deliberately -- and I think it's unlikely it will get involved. The more plausible alternative to the courts is unionization of athletes and a collective bargaining agreement.
Right now, donations to support compensation go to collectives while donations for other athletic purposes go to the athletic department. Donors are writing two checks and it's very visible to donors which of their contributions are going to compensation. Once schools start compensating athletes directly, donors will be writing only one check and it won't be nearly as obvious that the contributions are being used to pay for compensation.
Or they can just write the check so they can keep their present seats and present parking.🤷♂️
That would be true even without Title IX. But Title IX is going to make it impossible to cut women's sports alone. There is also the unresolved question of whether Title IX will affect how that $22 million cap is going to be allocated between male and female athletes. We're in a new world now and the rules are still being worked out.
That $22 million is there because of really only three sports. Be tough to sell why someone on the pistol, ice dancing or equestrian team should get anything.
I'm a old guy from the days before freshmen were eligible. I didn't like it when freshmen became eligible. So I sympathize with your suggestion.
But here's the thing: limiting whether freshmen can play is what antitrust lawyers call a restraint of trade. It has to be shown to be "reasonable," or else the school is subject to triple damages. So far the schools have lost on *every* restriction, such as the restriction on whether junior college play counts against the four years of eligibility. I wouldn't be optimistic about whether the rule you suggest would be upheld by the courts.
Two words: gender equality. We don't know exactly what that's going to mean for the $22 million, but it's going to be a factor.
Congress no longer has the autonomy to do anything. Fighting over NIL is certainly the least of our worries.
Unfortunately my friend you will still pay the bill, as will we all. Just like we will all pay for Soto's contract. TV money has to go up to pay for all this and that means raising prices for advertising which means all the car companies, beer companies, and everyone else that advertises on sports broadcasts will raise prices for all their products, not just the ones sold to fans who watch the games.
It won’t be equal by any means.
Nor should it. Because some of those “sports” only exist at certain D1 schools because of the other three previously mentioned.
See what Montclair State, a D3 school did with BOTH their lacrosse programs. Reduced to club but added flag football.
Maybe at some point the minimum requirement of M/W sports to remain a D1 Athletic program goes away or is reduced by a lot.
All those rules are arbitrary and unenforceable. The sit out year wasn't dropped out of the kindness of the NCAA'd heart, someone sued and a judge put a stop to it. Now that players get paid, forcing them to sit out restricts their ability to earn a living. Never going to fly again.
I agree with you for the most part but I have to say this is the same strawman argument that @Geo_Baker_1 made time and again. Anybody in their right mind would agree that the players should benefit financially from the value they bring, be that the revenue sharing that is now coming, money from advertising or autograph sessions or holding basketball camps in the summer.
What bothers most people's fundamental sense of fairness is that the pay for play aspect that means a great program like Boise St or one with aspirations like ours just cannot possibly hope to compete in this arena. If Ohio State can get everyone who attended a game this season to give just $200 to NIL, they'll raise $20mm relatively easily. We just don't have their fundraising power. Very few programs do. That's the source of most folks' frustration and fear what this means for the future of our program
The settlement is supposed to deal with this. The money for paying athletes will come from the school itself and is capped at $22 million annually Schools with rich alums will still be at an advantage (because they can raise more money for their programs overall, including facilities and coaches' salaries) , but it will be only the same advantage they had before NIL collectives came into existence.
Huge factor and too many are ignoring it...its going to be messy
The NYC football fan will never care until you've already won consistently. And that means championships (Big 10 titles) and New Years Day Bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Cotton, Peach). Win championships consistently and NYC fans will care. Otherwise? They aren't going to care, at all.
What's most important is your third paragraph: Montclair State killed *both* the men's and women's program. Title IX is going to prevent schools from focusing on killing women's programs. Non-revenue men's sports will suffer too. I think this was going to happen anyway. It's just not practical for Rutgers and other East Coast schools to fly players of non-revenue sports 3000 miles to play Washington, etc.
BTW, I think it's awful that so many sports will go out the window. But I don't see what's going to stop that from happening.
I’ve talked to D1 coaches - it’s going to be a total mess and many colleges don’t know how they will fund it or which programs get the axe. As it is, the transfer portal is overflowing in sports like women’s soccer because schools have been telling girls to take a hike in order to reduce the size of their rosters in preparation for the settlement.
The new TV contract for the B1G schools is going to substantially increase what each gets, right? Some of that money can go to compensating athletes. The cries of gloom and doom might be overdone. But I wouldn't be surprised to see rosters cut in the non-revenue sports.
It would be nice to get NYC on the bandwagon but Rutgers has almost 350,000 alums in Jersey alone. We graduate about 15-20 k per year too. Not to mention NJ residents who are on board.
We are going to be just fine!
Our alumni have been intentionally cultivated to hate sports. They aren't going to donate, unless it's to the chess club or competitive lesbian rugby.
You say it is detrimental to society's goals and you want to discourage it using the tax rolls... or you charge a license fee for name image and likeness.. or, for any university accepting federal dollars.. they all do re: research etc.. you say there is a special tax on paying NIL,, or if they wear the university uniform they have to pay NIL to the university in rates similar to how they are paid.. bottom line, there are many ways to discourage this sort of thing if only they had the stomach for it (but they do not, of course, and would explain how it is unfair, etc.. as long as their favorite universities and donors...
..btw.. before they do this they should tackle much bigger fish.. like private equity and antitrust legislation on conglomerates that control media and big pharma ads and tax various wall street functions in better ways.. discourage some of the worst activities there.
Oh yeah.. agreed.. just saying there are things that could be done, if one had a mind to do them.. for instance.. it was once illegal to pay them that way, right?
Anyway, I always said the colleges should just refuse to pay them. period. Here's the job.. athlete.. here's the pay.. tuition room and board some small stipend.. access to all sorts of academic help and training personnel and medical and facilities.. and that's it. period. take it or leave it.
kick schools out of conferences who refuse to abide.. let them start their own conferences.
college sports would have survived... thrived...
BUT.. the money people pull the strings now, don't they. The big name programs WANT to buy players. The big TV networks want the big name programs to have the best players. The advertisers buying time on those TV networks want the TV networks to have gasmes between ranked opponents that everyone knows by name that also have teh best players.
The bulk of division 1 programs should NOT want this. If they all resisted then the big name programs would have a 20-30 team league that is completely different and would be looked at as a minor league for the NFL. The rest of teh teams would still have student athletes playing sports and would still work towards a national championship in all sports. Who would care what teh NFL minor league did?
But, no, we got this thing... and the minor league teams playing millions for talent will lord it over all teh programs who cannot.
yeah, them
I fully expect many sports will be cut.. and maybe Title IX gets challenged as unconstitutional. It is considered valid under civil rights law, of all things. But it is not discrimination to not offer sports that cannot pay for themselves. Womens sports have been funded and supported for decades now... it is time for them to sink or swim. But, if forced to adhere to title IX.. the solution universities will come to will be many fewer sports.. fewer men's sports at a minimum.
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