Not trying to rain on your parade but......
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No doubt but enough already. We get it, you want Shoes or another AAU guy on the staff and, if not, we're doomed! Doomed I tell you! :weary:
Umm did I miss something? So far only confirmed assistant is Hobbs. Rickard might be or might not be depending on what happens with rest of staff.
PS While I would prefer a staff with less of an SB flavor - the issue with GW staff wasnt they were low level guys who couldnt make the jump to BE recruiting pool; it was they were unfamiliar with metro area and didnt work hard enough building that relationship. presumably that wont be issue with a staff that was at SB for last 10 years.
PS While I would prefer a staff with less of an SB flavor - the issue with GW staff wasnt they were low level guys who couldnt make the jump to BE recruiting pool; it was they were unfamiliar with metro area and didnt work hard enough building that relationship. presumably that wont be issue with a staff that was at SB for last 10 years.
I hope that makes you feel good about yourself. No worries about me commenting on this board. I feel sorry for the great RU fans.
Amazing how some, not all, of you go into attack mode when someone questions the type of person who should fill the 3, 4, and 5 positions on the bench. Not attacking just giving my opinion and if people are only allowed to sugar coat what they say than maybe I should not post. Or maybe you have to be a RU grad to post and that also eliminates me based on RU would never accept a person like me as a student lol. The funny thing is we can say what we wish and even suggest coaches etc. and no one that matters is listening anyway. But they will listen to some who suggested other coaches with pretty good resumes from mid major and low major schools only to see RU dip deep down the league standings. The problem was and always has been the assistants getting the job done recruitment wise. Every single coach at RU could actually teach and coach. But RU never was able to get that blue chip recruiting class as they did with Sellers, Dabney, Copeland, Anderson, Jordan, etc. Or like my favorite school, according to someone on here, did 2 seasons ago lol. By the way SHU fans say I am pro RU and RU fans say I am pro SHU. Maybe I should just cheer for FDU but they know how I always got on them with my blog including the coach who was none other than Greg Shoes Vetrone, I was so tough on him that I received a call from a mutual friend asking me to give him a break lol. But as a recruiting Assistant he always gets his man lol! But so would Steve Demeo(sp), and others. Its an exciting time at RU and many people are loving the new excitement. Thanks for allowing me to comment. But again no one listening to any of our suggestions except paranoid coaches which you do not have.......at this time. Hope Jim Calhoun provides the secretes he used to recruit nationally and how soon folks forget lol.
Let me formally ask your opinion of Tripp?
How is Corey Chandler doing? Last we heard he was getting on right track?
The only concern with the comments on LFBall and NJ4Life are that people are basing what they are saying based on how well certain players they knew or coached did in college.....not sure what Keating and Chandler's ability or how they did in college has anything to do with an opinion on what the RU staff should look like.
On the surface, the argument made by LFBall does make sense.....Can folks truly expect a Top-Heavy Stony Brook staff to elevate RU's program against elite B1G competition?? If we are comparing this assembled staff to the Eddie Jordan staffs, then ANY staff will look like a home run, because it wasn't a staff that has coaching and recruiting covered.
At the same time, if we are comparing Pikiell's staff to Mike Rice's staff, he grabbed David Cox and Van Macon, both from bigger "name" schools in GTown etc...I know people will state that because RU didn't win under Rice that the assistant coaches were bad and I would disagree....Cox and Macon were solid and Carr contributed as well.
This staff needs to exceed the Rice initial staff in terms of ability to recruit and right now I'd give Hire #1 in Karl Hobbs as having the edge over David Cox.....it's not a huge gap between the two in recruiting or connections, but as far as coaching, having run a D1 program, Hobbs would have the be considered a better #1 "starting pitcher"......
If you grab a legitimate "other" # 1 starting pitcher in a Knight, then you have to state that Knight would also be considered as connected if not more than Cox or Macon....and he's from NJ and knows the landscape, parents and others here.
I personally would take the Oregon football mentality of hiring as many young energetic assistants that have connections and worry less about the coaching aspect and leave that to Pikiell, Hobbs and Rickard. A staff of Pikiell, Young, Rickard and Karl Hobbs on paper is good or light-years better than Eddie's staffs assembled, but would fall short on paper vs Mike Rice's staff.
I have disagreed more than a few times with LFBall and NJ4Life in the past, but there have been times when I've agreed with them spot-on.....whether Shoes is in or not is still based on what other assistant coaches can be secured and NOT on whether he has value or others have hired him away.....assistant coaches all have landing spots and in this case, I'm 99% certain Shoes has other options lined up in case the RU staff goes in a different direction.....at the same time, I know if given a choice, he would rather be at RU vs somewhere else.
I have confidence that RU is changing the game a little bit and Pikiell will be fine once everything is finalized. Just gut instinct here that LFBall and Life here are much more accurate in this instance than some may want to give credit for. Take it for what it's worth.
On the surface, the argument made by LFBall does make sense.....Can folks truly expect a Top-Heavy Stony Brook staff to elevate RU's program against elite B1G competition?? If we are comparing this assembled staff to the Eddie Jordan staffs, then ANY staff will look like a home run, because it wasn't a staff that has coaching and recruiting covered.
At the same time, if we are comparing Pikiell's staff to Mike Rice's staff, he grabbed David Cox and Van Macon, both from bigger "name" schools in GTown etc...I know people will state that because RU didn't win under Rice that the assistant coaches were bad and I would disagree....Cox and Macon were solid and Carr contributed as well.
This staff needs to exceed the Rice initial staff in terms of ability to recruit and right now I'd give Hire #1 in Karl Hobbs as having the edge over David Cox.....it's not a huge gap between the two in recruiting or connections, but as far as coaching, having run a D1 program, Hobbs would have the be considered a better #1 "starting pitcher"......
If you grab a legitimate "other" # 1 starting pitcher in a Knight, then you have to state that Knight would also be considered as connected if not more than Cox or Macon....and he's from NJ and knows the landscape, parents and others here.
I personally would take the Oregon football mentality of hiring as many young energetic assistants that have connections and worry less about the coaching aspect and leave that to Pikiell, Hobbs and Rickard. A staff of Pikiell, Young, Rickard and Karl Hobbs on paper is good or light-years better than Eddie's staffs assembled, but would fall short on paper vs Mike Rice's staff.
I have disagreed more than a few times with LFBall and NJ4Life in the past, but there have been times when I've agreed with them spot-on.....whether Shoes is in or not is still based on what other assistant coaches can be secured and NOT on whether he has value or others have hired him away.....assistant coaches all have landing spots and in this case, I'm 99% certain Shoes has other options lined up in case the RU staff goes in a different direction.....at the same time, I know if given a choice, he would rather be at RU vs somewhere else.
I have confidence that RU is changing the game a little bit and Pikiell will be fine once everything is finalized. Just gut instinct here that LFBall and Life here are much more accurate in this instance than some may want to give credit for. Take it for what it's worth.
As usual, the same posters attack as soon as something has a different opinion than them. Now I know how some of the PSU and Syracuse fans feel like. In fact its even worse because our fans are insistent they are right when they have no idea what is right. At least PSU and Syracuse fans have seen what is right.
LFBall has been a valuable poster here long before probably 90% of you have been here. He has given us good info back to the Waters days the better part of a decade ago.
Oh and by the way, if you stop picking apart the one or two things you don't like about the long post you will find that there is alot of sense in what he says. Somehow you think that you can get any "under the radar" guy and as long as he works hard we will win. When someone shows me ONE team in the B1G in the last say 5 years that has reached .500 with less than 3 Rivals top 150 guys then I will be impressed. What he is saying that we do need guys that work hard, but they have to be top talent as well. Top talent without hard work won't win. Lesser talent no matter how hard they work won't win.
LFBall has been a valuable poster here long before probably 90% of you have been here. He has given us good info back to the Waters days the better part of a decade ago.
Oh and by the way, if you stop picking apart the one or two things you don't like about the long post you will find that there is alot of sense in what he says. Somehow you think that you can get any "under the radar" guy and as long as he works hard we will win. When someone shows me ONE team in the B1G in the last say 5 years that has reached .500 with less than 3 Rivals top 150 guys then I will be impressed. What he is saying that we do need guys that work hard, but they have to be top talent as well. Top talent without hard work won't win. Lesser talent no matter how hard they work won't win.
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I think the galling part about some of these posts, and the thing that certainly rubs me the wrong way, is that people make statements of fact that they know best how Rutgers should proceed to turn this around and if things aren't done that way then it is all doom and destruction for the program. Steve Pikiell is smarter than you and knows better than you how to build this program. Not once does Coach Pikiell bemoan the fact that Rutgers has the worst practice and game facilities in America. All he does is focus on the positives. All he has done is gone out and hired a great strength and conditioning coach because that is important. He has gone out and hired the best Associate Head Coach available because that is important. He is on the verge of locking up Brandon Knight and that is going to be a great get and all some of you do is focus on your negative agendas. Lose the culture of losing and get on board!
I have never read a post from LF Ball where I wished I didn't take the 20 seconds to read it.
When i see posts from LFball, bdodger, njlife, njhawk, hype I make sure i read them. I don't always agree. please don't do or say anything to discourage them from posting.
When i see posts from LFball, bdodger, njlife, njhawk, hype I make sure i read them. I don't always agree. please don't do or say anything to discourage them from posting.
The culture of losing has nothing to do what fans say on a message board.The previous head coaches failed to attract talent comparable to the league competition.Losing kills positive perception and makes it a far more difficult for any coaching staff to attract better players.All fans want Pikiell to be successful because we are tired if the ridicule surrounding the mens basketball program.If achieving success at Rutgers was easy, the new head coach would have been someone not included in the interview process.
I agree 100% with you saying that if success at Rutgers was easy then Coach Pikiell would not be here. But because it is hard is the reason he was the perfect hire! He has "the" model for building this program the right way. He was at a place with zero facilities, with a team on probation due to low APR, a team that was consistently finishing at the bottom of his league. He changed all that at Stony Brook and he will change all of that at Rutgers. There was some concern of a top heavy SBU staff influence. Well Coach took care of that by bringing in Hobbs and Knight. You cannot show me two better guys available in the entire country to recruit the East Coast and New Jersey. Rutgers fans want some home grown recruits? Well Jay Young recruited a kid from Jersey who was an All American this year. This is the very best staff available! Coach is going to emphasize his strength program, he is going to emphasize academic and he is going to emphasize playing winning basketball. He is going to tirelessly network and make connections in NJ High Schools everywhere. He is going to get very good players who have character and work their tails off. On top of it all, he is going to do it right. In fact if anyone wants to find some fault with Coach Pikiell and this fantastic hire and this fantastic staff then I got one thing for you. The one negative with Coach Pikiell is that he will not pay an AAU coach 50 grand to get a kid. That will not happen. Everything else about the new staff is perfect.
Unless you know more than we do, and you might, the Knight thing isn't official yet.
I believe Coach Pike will do what is necessary to win at Rutgers. This is the man who will lead us to the promised land.
He has so far done a phenomenal job. Absolutely fantastic. Just really terrific in all aspects.
He has so far done a phenomenal job. Absolutely fantastic. Just really terrific in all aspects.
in my opinion you are correct that you should stop posting --personally I find you deceptively condescending and are just another anti RU person hiding behind your so called constructive criticism--- and anyone who has really read your posts --especially between the lines, would know this--who needs another guy coming out of the wood work from time to time to point out how bad we are--from attacking our dilapidated seats--which by the way had been refurbished before you made that post--to your now attacking who pikiell's hirings are before they are even completed--mixing in in some "its an exciting time at RU" comments after the fact is meaningless--and this isn't an attack mode- it's a simple --our new coach doesn't need your advice mode-let him do his job --he knows best
My beef is that LF assumes young and rickard will borh be coaches. And based on todays articles thats unlikely. Hawk- i think a staff of hobbs knight youn with rickard in support role is better than rices staff of cox macon martelli and carr as dob. Agreed?
LF? what say uou to that staff? If brandin goes elsewhere inassume younwould approve of hobbs vetrone young?
My instinct tells me pikiell would trunbto shoes before elevating rickard to coach.
Also i think hobbs is much better than cox. Hobbs has hc expereience in ncaa high major success at uconn. Far better resumebthen cox when cox joined rices staff.
LF? what say uou to that staff? If brandin goes elsewhere inassume younwould approve of hobbs vetrone young?
My instinct tells me pikiell would trunbto shoes before elevating rickard to coach.
Also i think hobbs is much better than cox. Hobbs has hc expereience in ncaa high major success at uconn. Far better resumebthen cox when cox joined rices staff.
Nothing amazing about any poster here being attack by some who don't like the message.
You've posted here long enough to know how the responses will be.
just let the attacks roll off your back and just consider the respectful replies ( pro or con)
as the ones you should consider as feedback to what you said and worth a reply.
Just don't take someone disagreeing with you as an attack if done in a respectful manner.
No problem with LF Ball posting his opinions here. He seems somewhat energized by the coaching change and has some views on the direction we should go regarding assistants. The only thing that troubles me, and it really shouldn't, is that he is advocating that we need to get closer to the fine line of accommodating the AAU and other power brokers who steer players to individuals. Seems to mean we need to use part of the enhanced recruiting budget to find a way to put cash in the programs they support.
LF - more than welcome to post your opinion BUT how many threads are you going to start on the same topic? I think some of us are just getting tired of the "Shoes, shoes shoes" and what we "must do or we're doomed" crap. Let Pikiell do HIS job is all we're saying.No offense meant by me just expressing MY opinion.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
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