---Georgia loses to Alabama
Oklahoma loses to Texas
OSU beats Northwestern
this seems to be the formula, with Oklahoma the most likely to win, and to ruin it for OSU...
if Georgia somehow beats Alabama, squeaking by, do they both get in?
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---Georgia loses to Alabama
Oklahoma loses to Texas
OSU beats Northwestern
lets go SchianoI would say dropping to 6 would be the lowest. It’s not that they don’t deserve to drop lower, it’s that there
How about OSU giving up 450 yards and pushed to the end against 4-8 Nebraska?
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this seems to be the formula, with Oklahoma the most likely to win, and to ruin it for OSU...
if Georgia somehow beats Alabama, squeaking by, do they both get in?
UCF won't get in if Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Ohio State all lose even if Mack has a game that has people saying, McKenzie who?" against Memphis. In that scenario, the playoff teams are likely:
This is about getting the right teams in, not the best ones.
- Alabama
- Notre Dame
- Georgia
- Texas
Yes. The talking heads have done enough to discredit Oklahoma and Ohio State to justify dropping Alabama from #1 to #3 or #4 with a loss to Georgia. Georgia would be either #1 (since the talking heads have told us the Alabama is clearly the best team in the country) or #2 (jumping and then hosting Notre Dame in the Cotton). Georgia and Alabama would either be #1 and #3 or #2 and #4 in this scenario. I'll believe Alabama being out of the playoffs when I see it.
While I don't have a side in the Ohio State -- Michigan rivalry, I was rooting hard for Michigan because I wanted the B1G to get back into the playoffs this season. The only way Ohio State gets in would be to justify keeping UCF out in my opinion. Jerry Palm believes Ohio State gets in over Oklahoma, which I disagree with. His whole basis was that Oklahoma's defense was one of the worst in history for a 1-loss team without acknowledging the another side to that coin. Their offense is perhaps one of the best we've seen in a long time. The only team able to hold them under 30 was a 9-3 (or 10-2) triple option team who had 44:41 in TOP. Oklahoma only ran 40 offensive plays against Army who ran 87 total plays and 78 running plays. None of the potential playoff teams are capable of keeping Oklahoma's offense on the sideline like Army did.
my theory when it came to UCF, was that it would take 2 undefeated seasons for them to be
seriously considered for the playoff
the first would have them finishing somewhere around 8th or 9th in the country...... if they then started the next season near that, and went undefeated again, they might make it up to number 4
this did not happen.... I guess no matter what they do, they cannot overcome the supposed
weak conference schedule....they would have needed to schedule maybe two out of conference
tough teams that would have been noticed.
I think a 1 loss Clemson team gets in over a 3 loss Texas team, even if Texas is Big 12 champ.
UCF won't get in if Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Ohio State all lose even if Mack has a game that has people saying, McKenzie who?" against Memphis. In that scenario, the playoff teams are likely:
This is about getting the right teams in, not the best ones.
- Alabama
- Notre Dame
- Georgia
- Texas
my theory when it came to UCF, was that it would take 2 undefeated seasons for them to be
seriously considered for the playoff
the first would have them finishing somewhere around 8th or 9th in the country...... if they then started the next season near that, and went undefeated again, they might make it up to number 4
this did not happen.... I guess no matter what they do, they cannot overcome the supposed
weak conference schedule....they would have needed to schedule maybe two out of conference
tough teams that would have been noticed.
I think a 1 loss Clemson team gets in over a 3 loss Texas team, even if Texas is Big 12 champ.
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this seems to be the formula, with Oklahoma the most likely to win, and to ruin it for OSU...
if Georgia somehow beats Alabama, squeaking by, do they both get in?
A loss to Pitt will call Clemson's schedule into question. Their best win was a two point win at 8-4 Texas A&M. A&M wasn't particularly strong either as their best win was the recent 7 OT win over LSU at home. Their other two divisional wins combined for 1 win (Ole Miss beat Arkansas for that). If you examine the "good teams" on Clemson's schedule, their excellence is based on being an ACC team. Syracuse might be their second best win and they also lost to Pitt and got stomped by Notre Dame. I have no doubt that UCF could have played Clemson's schedule and ended the season 12-0 as Clemson did. On the other hand, the only real blemish on Texas' record is the 5-point loss to Maryland in the opener and their three losses are by a combined 9 points (3 point loss to Oklahoma State and 1 point loss to West Virginia.
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If you put Clemson in over Texas in the scenario discussed, we fans need to revolt. Get out the torches and pitch forks. This would be 1 conference champion, an independent, and 2 conference champion runner-ups. There was some discussion of limiting the playoffs to conference champions (and Notre Dame) which we would now be completely ignoring. "We're going to settle this thing on the field", they said until they didn't like the on field results.
The announcers made a very good point on TV yesterday. OSU does seem to get knocked because they have been giving up big plays. But, Oklahoma probably has the worst defense of any good team in years. They don’t even pretend to play defense.
I wouldn’t put anything pst the committee. What if Georgia wins? They drop Bama to 2?
Question may come down to whether they want OSU or OK.
The next game for both teams is a beauty contest/showcase imo.
If Georgia beats Alabama, they are both in no doubt. Only 1 loss for both.---
this seems to be the formula, with Oklahoma the most likely to win, and to ruin it for OSU...
if Georgia somehow beats Alabama, squeaking by, do they both get in?
OSU, Bama, Oklahoma. Throw in GA, Clemson and maybe Auburn. It's the same group of teams every year. I'll get interested when there's some sort equitable talent distribution in CFB. This is like watching the Yankees and the Dodgers in the WS every year.
OSU is getting knocked because they lost by double digits to a mediocre Purdue team whereas OU lost by 3 to the 9th ranked team in the current polls.
I think a 1 loss Clemson team gets in over a 3 loss Texas team, even if Texas is Big 12 champ.
But how do you justify selecting a 1-loss Clemson over an undefeated UCF when UCF defeated the unranked team (Pitt) who just defeated Clemson by a score of 45-14 about 2 months earlier? I think a 1-loss Clemson would need a Memphis win to give their selection credibility.
A team that a Maryland team that didn't qualify for a bowl game out of the B1G beat this season for the second straight year. Iowa State, which regularly has been scoring 30-40 points against Big 12 teams, lost 13-3 to Iowa. I am not all that impressed with the Big 12.
But how do you justify selecting a 1-loss Clemson over an undefeated UCF when UCF defeated the unranked team (Pitt) who just defeated Clemson by a score of 45-14 about 2 months earlier? I think a 1-loss Clemson would need a Memphis win to give their selection credibility.
my theory when it came to UCF, was that it would take 2 undefeated seasons for them to be
seriously considered for the playoff
the first would have them finishing somewhere around 8th or 9th in the country...... if they then started the next season near that, and went undefeated again, they might make it up to number 4
this did not happen.... I guess no matter what they do, they cannot overcome the supposed
weak conference schedule....they would have needed to schedule maybe two out of conference
tough teams that would have been noticed.
Simple.
The "goal" is to pick what the committee feels is the 4 best teams. UCF, without their QB and best player, isn't likely one of the 4 best teams in football.
It's unfortunate that he got hurt but that's just the reality. Would UCF, without Milton, be able to beat Clemson or ND or OSU or OU or UGA. Not likely.
In your scenario, Clemson would not be eliminated from the playoffs. They would only have one loss (and in a conference champ). Michigan (2 losses) has no shot since they are not in a conference champ game IMO. This is the only scenario where UCF could be #4.After the playoff rankings were released Tuesday night, it is now a certainty they won't make the playoffs. Even the ESPN guys on the show were (acted?) a bit surprised Michigan was ranked over them. With Michigan ranked below UCF, they had a path to the playoffs
This is now Michigan's path to the playoffs, although #6 doesn't matter. Being 1-11 in the B1G is still better than being in the American. Even though it appears hopeless at times, it isn't as impossible as making the 4-team playoff from a G5 conference.
- Alabama defeats Georgia to finish #1
- Pitt defeats Clemson to eliminate the Tigers from the playoffs
- Notre Dame is idle and finishes #2
- Texas defeats Oklahoma to eliminate the Sooners
- Northwestern defeats Ohio State to eliminate the Buckeyes
- UCF defeats Memphis and finishes #4 behind #3 Georgia
In your scenario, Clemson would not be eliminated from the playoffs. They would only have one loss (and in a conference champ). Michigan (2 losses) has no shot since they are not in a conference champ game IMO. This is the only scenario where UCF could be #4.
No, the goal is to select the RIGHT teams, not the BEST teams. If you were to go back in this forum for posts from 2014, you would find me making a few posts refuting claims from TCU fans that Ohio State made the playoffs over them because they didn't have the reputation OSU had. "But OSU won their conference whereas TCU tied, and lost to co-champ Baylor. Head-to-head is always the first tie breaker and TCU didn't have it. Conference championship is one of the selection criteria", I said. I plead ignorance, although in my defense, it was the FIRST year of the playoffs so I had no reason to doubt their claims. I was fooled. In the past two seasons we've seen a team make the playoffs while failing to win their DIVISION. Aren't you surprised those teams are Ohio State, coached by future HOF coach Urban Meyer and Alabama, coached by future HOF coach Nick Saban? Are you surprised that Ohio State and Alabama have been among the highest profile jobs in the country for the past 50+ years? The TCU fans were right. They make the 2014 playoffs over Ohio State if they were Texas instead of Texas Christian.
IMO no way Clemson would ever drop out of the playoffs for that loss. They would only have 1 loss and they pass the eye test. They are at a level below Alabama but higher than everyone else. They committee sees that as well.Perhaps, but their loss would be to an unranked Pitt team. Michgan's two losses were to top 10 teams, as were Georgia's two losses. Ohio State dropped 7 spots in the Coaches Poll (I know, it isn't the same) after they lost to unranked Purdue. Kentucky dropped 6 spots in the playoff poll after losing to unranked Tennessee. Clemson would drop from 2 to at least 6 by losing to Pitt, thereby eliminating them.
Nama and ND are a lockYes. The talking heads have done enough to discredit Oklahoma and Ohio State to justify dropping Alabama from #1 to #3 or #4 with a loss to Georgia. Georgia would be either #1 (since the talking heads have told us the Alabama is clearly the best team in the country) or #2 (jumping and then hosting Notre Dame in the Cotton). Georgia and Alabama would either be #1 and #3 or #2 and #4 in this scenario. I'll believe Alabama being out of the playoffs when I see it.
While I don't have a side in the Ohio State -- Michigan rivalry, I was rooting hard for Michigan because I wanted the B1G to get back into the playoffs this season. The only way Ohio State gets in would be to justify keeping UCF out in my opinion. Jerry Palm believes Ohio State gets in over Oklahoma, which I disagree with. His whole basis was that Oklahoma's defense was one of the worst in history for a 1-loss team without acknowledging the another side to that coin. Their offense is perhaps one of the best we've seen in a long time. The only team able to hold them under 30 was a 9-3 (or 10-2) triple option team who had 44:41 in TOP. Oklahoma only ran 40 offensive plays against Army who ran 87 total plays and 78 running plays. None of the potential playoff teams are capable of keeping Oklahoma's offense on the sideline like Army did.
IMO no way Clemson would ever drop out of the playoffs for that loss. They would only have 1 loss and they pass the eye test. They are at a level below Alabama but higher than everyone else. They committee sees that as well.
A loss to Pitt and they should drop out of consideration. More so if OSU and Ok winIMO no way Clemson would ever drop out of the playoffs for that loss. They would only have 1 loss and they pass the eye test. They are at a level below Alabama but higher than everyone else. They committee sees that as well.
I agree with you. It will be interesting if they lose. Should be a good weekend of games.Hopefully we'll find out how the committee sees them after a Pitt win.
Perhaps I have a minority opinion here, but Clemson's best win of the season is a 2-point victory at #19 Texas A&M. Their next best win was a 4-point win at home over #20 Syracuse. A loss to an unranked Pitt team should have people reconsider their perception of their schedule strength. Especially when they complain UCF hasn't played anyone, yet they defeated Pitt by 31 on September 29. If a loss to Pitt doesn't force them to completely reevaluate their position, the committee has no real interest in determining the best teams and are more interested in keeping their TV partners happy.
I'm rooting for Memphis. One, I like their coach. Two, I keep seeing UCF to the Fiesta Bowl. I don't want to watch a backup QB in Arizona
I think they would ahve to steamroll everybody in their path. Beating Navy by a slim margin and Temple doesn't make your case.my theory when it came to UCF, was that it would take 2 undefeated seasons for them to be
seriously considered for the playoff
the first would have them finishing somewhere around 8th or 9th in the country...... if they then started the next season near that, and went undefeated again, they might make it up to number 4
this did not happen.... I guess no matter what they do, they cannot overcome the supposed
weak conference schedule....they would have needed to schedule maybe two out of conference
tough teams that would have been noticed.
I think it depends on how they lose. If they get blown out, you are correct. If its close/OT/weird weather, they may luck out. In regards to OSU, I don't think they get the same benefit if they blow out Northwestern like when they did the same to Wisconsin. Oklahoma needs to take care of business and they have the revenge factor against UT. That being said, let's hope for chaos this weekend.A loss to Pitt and they should drop out of consideration. More so if OSU and Ok win
Doesn’t the G 5 have to at least have a certain ranking?A UCF loss at 3:30 will make the MWC Champship Game at 7:45 interesting. The winner between #22 Boise State and #25 Fresno State will get the G5 NY6 bowl slot.