Montgomery? You guys landed a quality girls HS basketball coach last year, Geoff. He will turn program around.
OT: 12th Anniversary of Superstorm Sandy
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Given how easily OCNJ floods from just minor storms, it was a miracle of sorts (for AC/OC and south of there) that Sandy ended up making landfall in Brigantine about 10 miles north of OC, putting OC on the weaker side of the storm, but more importantly meaning it got predominantly offshore winds, limiting the storm surge there, unlike areas north of Brigantine in Ocean, Monmouth and Middlesex Counties - and also for NENJ along the Hudson and other tidal rivers, as well as NYC/LI. Damage would have been catastrophic there and in AC where damage was also not as great as it would've been if the storm had hit 10-20 miles further south. Good summary of Sandy's impacts in NJ in the Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Sandy_in_New_Jersey
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Yes. Monty seems to go through cycles with all their HS sports programs. Good for a few seasons, bad for a few seasons. My little one goes to a private school, but she plays field hockey with a bunch of local kids via the Princeton FH Club. She also plays b-ball, but that's definitely sport #2 for her!
yes and we could see it once the surge stopped and went backwards even though high tide was still a few hours away. Offshore winds really saved my house which was 90 years old, crawlspace was only about a foot high in most places so first floor was basically ground level
A friend of mine in Ortley had 7' of water on the first floor. So with the foundation included that water was roughly 9' deep.
Power is a major factor. And there was a wide range of no loss to two weeks. Longer in the flooded areas.
Fraternity brother’s parents sold their house in Ortley the Spring before Sandy. House was gone.
But didn’t the lost valley get hit after that pretty bad ? Ida ? Etc
What is the deal with the lost valley ? I am not too familiar with the whole history of it except it gets pounded a lot , like flood . Did the federal goverbentn tell those people we aren’t helping you ? Or did they have the options to take blue acres buyouts ?
You are a better negotiator than me. I knew other people with a similar story to yours.
This was something we were awarded afterwards at the FDNY Foundation Dinner:
You can see I was in the Finance Section. And for this particular operation I was in charge of Compensation Claims (COMP). The most interesting one, not for the claimant - lol, was for a dog bite on a young woman in the NG. Dog was not a fan. 🤷♂️
Thanks to RU #'s advanced warnings, I bought the last generator that Sears had on the Thursday before Sandy hit, we were the only house on our block with power for 6 days & all our neighbors would come over to charge their phones. My in laws were out of their house in South Seaside Park for 4 months while the Island infrastructure was being rebuilt, even though their home suffered no damage.
Thanks for the props. In all my weather posts/emails over the last ~25+ years, by far, the most positive feedback I ever got was on my Sandy posts, probably because more than a few folks actually acted on that info (and info from others, I'm sure, but I think I helped, based on that feedback) and either saved possessions or avoided heartache (or worse). Since that huge thread and countless posts by me and many, many other posters are all gone, thought some might be interested to see what I posted here (should be about the same as what I emailed, which several posters here would've also gotten) early on Saturday morning about 60 hours before Sandy's landfall (I deleted the several links from the post, below, since they're all dead now). Since I'm such a snow nut, I always thought one of the most interesting and little known aspects of this amazing hybrid storm was the 2-3 foot snowfalls seen in the higher elevations in WV/MD/VA/PA - just crazy.
Ok, we're now within 2+ days of this monster storm (dubbed "Frankenstorm" since it will be a freakish combo of a hurricane and a nor'easter by Monday morning) making "landfall" somewhere between Delaware and Long Island, with the NJ coastline between AC and Sandy Hook being the most likely landfall location. There is no chance of this storm "missing" our area at this point. I have a day of fun ahead (Rutgers is playing, looking to go 8-0 and tailgating starts soon), so this is probably my only chance to email about Sandy today. But let me stress one thing: there has never been a hybrid storm like this that made landfall moving NW to westward in our area, in recorded history (the 1991 "Perfect Storm" was a similar "hybrid" but it stayed out at sea for days) and one thing that means is that the models are in uncharted territory and are likely to have difficulty predicting the exact details of this event (for example, in the past 5 hours, Sandy has unexpectedly strengthened significantly from 65-70 mph winds and 967 mb to 75-80 mph winds and 958 mb now), so people should prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Overnight, the models finally started moving towards a consensus, with the 0Z (zulu time, i.e., 7 pm EST) GFS finally "caving" to the Euro (the best model, usually and the one which has always had Sandy striking near us) and moving west, with landfall around Sandy Hook; the 0Z Euro landfall is around Cape May, which is consistent with previous runs. Every major model now has Sandy striking the coast Monday evening/night, somewhere between the DelMarVA peninsula and Long Island, with the NHC official forecast remaining as a far southern Jersey landfall, near AC. Assuming Sandy regains strength after the injection of energy from the upper level low pushing the strong front across the eastern US right now (which will really result in the hybrid hurricane/nor'easter) and slows down near landfall, as forecast, and assuming a southern NJ landfall somewhere near AC/Cape May, then we're truly in for it.
If all of the above transpires and we see a landfalling hybrid storm in South Jersey, we will likely see the worst coastal flooding in recorded history in most of NJ and NYC (and close to it on LI - hard to rival the 1938 hurricane on LI for "worst"), so if you live at the immediate coast, you should consider evacuating. This is because a track to our south with a strengthening and slowing storm will pile the water and waves up for 12-24 hours, behind hurricane force (70-80 mph likely along the coast for 6+ hours) easterly to SE winds, with storm surges in the 5-10 foot range, which is historic. This is serious folks. Not to dismiss all the other impacts from this storm, but I really wanted to first highlight that the coastal flooding could simply be catastrophic. If the storm strikes NYC/LI (still possible, but probably less than a 25% chance), coastal flooding in NJ will be major, but not catastrophic, as the winds would be off-shore, from the north/NW.
For the rest of us in the NJ/eastern PA/NYC metro areas, this is still going to be a very serious storm that will likely rival or exceed Irene for impacts. The rain in the Philly/South Jersey, DE area will likely be the worst (6-12") and will probably be less, but still significant from Central Jersey, northward (maybe 4-8"), so major to potentially record river/urban flooding is likely - although if Sandy makes landfall in the NYC/LI area the heaviest rain will shift northward. Perhaps the worst issue inland is going to be the wind damage and power outages, as the winds inland are likely to be significantly greater over a longer duration than they were for Irene, with high winds (40-60 mph winds being sustained for hours, with higher gusts) likely until one gets well inland, i.e., inland of the Delaware River and NW of Sussex County, NJ, but even that far inland, we'll likely see 30-50 mph winds and considerable tree damage/power outages.
Two more quick items to consider. First, for NYC, it's actually possible that the storm surge could be bad enough to flood major parts of the City (much worse than Irene) and there is the potential for major impact to the subway system. Second, there could be some huge snowfalls in the mountains of VA/WV and western PA and some modest snowfalls in surrounding areas at lower elevations - snow will not make it east of central PA/VA.
I don't really have time to detail all the impacts for the many locations people live in, so I would highly recommend you refer to the links below regularly and the various media sources, especially The Weather Channel, which has gotten light years better in its coverage the past 2-3 years (they have some great discussions by very good pros). Below are the usual links, including a really interesting blog comparing Sandy to Irene (why Sandy will likely be worse). FYI, the next set of major model output comes out between about noon and 2 pm today (they run every 12 hours or so).
horrible negotiating skills, as others have suggested its was all about who you got to assess
@T2K - I am back home now. In the last 5 weeks I have spent time in Charlotte NC, Columbia SC, the NC coast, and NJ for the UCLA game. Once I got all of my utilities back, I felt an urge to stay home and start to put my life and town back together.
Good luck with all of that. My cousin in Asheville is still staying with her daughter's family a few miles away, as they had minimal damage, but she had substantial damage and there's so much to repair down there that progress has been slow.
My house was 5.5' above sea level. I had 5' in the 1st floor.
There was a house on Ocean Avenue in Spring Lake, south end, that kept the mark for a few years on how high it got.
Same for the Shrimp Box in Point Pleasant Beach. Pretty sure it’s still there.
Manville was crushed by Irene the year before Sandy. That was a big rain/water event. A lot of the Lost Valley was never rebuilt and many lots bought out via Blue Acres funding. Hurricane Ida was another huge blow to Manville. The Lost Valley is the neighborhood between the CRX train tracks and Millstone River, which feeds into the Raritan. Go to Google Map and type in Boesel Avenue, Manville NJ.
Some YT videos:
Irene:
Ida:
Unfortunately, Manville is at the confluence of the Millstone River and South Branch of the Raritan. Tough spot to be in during these events.
We were minimally affected in my area relative to property damage. Our power was restored within days, and we can drink our water (private wells), so we are far better off than many. The priority has to be their immediate needs. That said we all share the next level of loss. It’s been more than a month and except for towns that were completely wiped off the map, the area is slowly reawakening. Restaurants, retail, arts, and entertainment venues are addressing the lack of city water situation and are coming back online, but many businesses may not come be coming back at all. The devastation to the roadways including closed Interstates and the Blue Ridge Parkway will take months to repair. Perhaps the same for water to the city and surrounding areas. Most parks (and disc golf courses), greenways, and hiking areas are still closed. We remain barred from doing many of the things we like to do in the Asheville region. These are the issues that will need to be resolved before WNC begins to feel normal again. Hopefully, it will only be months, not years, and be built better.
Speaking of timelines for areas getting back to "normal" - Lahaina is only now finally starting to rebuild. Took about a year to clean up from the disaster. This is a local resident that has been posting drone footage to track the progress:
+1
It gives a great perceptive of the big picture/entire area. You normally don't get the full scope in such videos. Nice to see the Banyan tree recovering (even though part of it was damaged and removed).
Sign of imperialism since it wasn't planted by the native Hawaiians.
A deadly fire charred Lahaina's historic banyan tree. A year later, it's been nursed back to life
When a deadly wildfire tore through Lahaina on Maui last August, the wall of flames scorched the 151-year-old banyan tree along the historic town's Front Street. But the sprawling tree survived the blaze, and thanks to the efforts of arborists and dedicated volunteers, parts of it are growing...
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Nowadays, most of everything in Hawaii is a "sign of imperialism".Sign of imperialism since it wasn't planted by the native Hawaiians.
A deadly fire charred Lahaina's historic banyan tree. A year later, it's been nursed back to life
When a deadly wildfire tore through Lahaina on Maui last August, the wall of flames scorched the 151-year-old banyan tree along the historic town's Front Street. But the sprawling tree survived the blaze, and thanks to the efforts of arborists and dedicated volunteers, parts of it are growing...
Sign of imperialism since it wasn't planted by the native Hawaiians.
A deadly fire charred Lahaina's historic banyan tree. A year later, it's been nursed back to life
When a deadly wildfire tore through Lahaina on Maui last August, the wall of flames scorched the 151-year-old banyan tree along the historic town's Front Street. But the sprawling tree survived the blaze, and thanks to the efforts of arborists and dedicated volunteers, parts of it are growing...
Couple years ago I took my boys to the World Cup of box lacrosse which was jointly being held in Syracuse and the Onondaga Nation.
The members of the tribe had shirts that said “Providing Real Homeland Security Since Forever”, as they tolerated our visit but wanted people to remember who’s land this always belonged to.
They liked the cash, they took checks and debit cards, but no credit cards. They didn’t want “The Man” to know their business.
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