Why isn't Led Zep in the Country Music Hall of Fame?! They actually have a c&w song.
OT: 2023 Rock and Roll HOF Nominations and Billboard's Handicapping of Chances to Make It
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Agreed. And I don't really care for Maiden, but I respect their body of work.
If that was indeed the case, Lauper deserved the nod, not Crow.
Gotta think RWTM got the nod for raging with the machine. But putting them against Soundgarden and The White Stripes and picking them is silly. Chris Cornell should be in as a solo artist over RWTM.
Well I kind of got 3 of 5, although my top two, the White Stripes and Joy Division/New Order, did not get in. Oh well.
Willie Nelson just got an only slightly late 90th birthday present: an impending induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. The country music legend was one of seven music figures announced Wednesday morning as having been voted into the hall, along with Kate Bush, Rage Against the Machine, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, George Michael and the Spinners.
There are six more inductees beyond that list, with the distinction of being selected by a select Hall of Fame committee to join the seven performers who were voted in via general balloting. These are singer Chaka Khan, instrumentalist-producer Al Kooper and lyricist Bernie Taupin, all in the “musical excellence” category; pioneering rock guitarist Link Wray and hip-hop originator DJ Kool Herc in the “musical influence” division; and “Soul Train” TV host Don Cornelius as the recipient of the annual Ahmet Ertegun Award.
https://variety.com/2023/music/news...lliott-sheryl-crow-rage-inductees-1235602078/
Alice in Chains should be in over all of them
No argument there. Ranking the Seattle groups, off top of my head.
1. Jimi Hendrix Experience
2. Heart
3. Soundgarden or Alice in Chains
4. Pearl Jam
5. Nirvana
6. Screaming Trees
7. Mudhoney
8. Temple of the Dog
No love for Quarterflash?? Damn...
How is this the first time I caught your jerry video?
Exactly correct... so much stuff is not music.. not just rap. It is SOUND, of a sort.
This clip from this song captures it.. its about rhythm and melody...
Put Mark Lanegan as solo in that list. His solo stuff is highly underrated. May he RIP. What a voice, and another Seattle tragedy.
I love BAD...they combined the rock/punk sound with the emerging hip hop BEFORE most (yes I know Blondie and Aerosmith/DMC did it first). There were alot of British groups at the time doing this just before grunge took over alternative..Happy Monday, The Farm, EMF, Jesus Jones and my favorite the underrated Stereo Mcs
I think this is more than just sound..its quality...oh and the guy in the video looks exactly the same 30 years later and the woman singing back up is still with them
Show the work. And please, don't bring up that dreck All I Want to Do Is Have Some Fun. That is some weak drivel right there not worthy of winning a high school battle of the bands.
Doubt it. Cyndi broke new ground in performance, video and other areas. Cheryl Crow is bland as bland can be.
I think Laupers impact as a solo artist in the 80s and with videos is the thing that puts her over Crow.
Crow got in because she is an industry darling
Crow had only 4 top 10 singles, 9 top 20 hits and never hit #1
Lauper had 4 top 10 singles alone from She's So Unsual. 9 top 10 singles, 10 top 20 singles and 3 #1s (includes We are the World)
When you think of 80s there are certain artists that represent that time period. Michael, Prince, Madonnam Bruce at the top but Cyndi in that next tier with U2, Bon Jovi, Huey, Janet Jackson, Sting/Police
Does anyone think Sheryl Crow when talking about the 90s....in fact I would go as far to say that Sarah McLachlan had more of an impact given she started Lilith Fair.
with respect to Kate Bush, she is getting in not because of chart success but her brilliance in video and sound and just groundbreaking all around from the late 70s. If not for Stranger Things she does not get in. Definitely more a British impact but its okay that the US is recognizing her.
going back to Crow, I dont see her impact much more than a Jody Watley or Bryan Adams or Culture Club....a bunch of popular catchy tunes but nothing earth shattering and worthy of inclusion in the Hall
going back to Crow, I dont see her impact much more than a Jody Watley or Bryan Adams or Culture Club....a bunch of popular catchy tunes but nothing earth shattering and worthy of inclusion in the Hall
BAD is one of my faves. While the Clash was "the only band that matters" for many, they had kind of run out of steam and new ideas by the mid-80s and after being kicked out of the band Mick Jones put together BAD, who had a bunch of moderately successful and innovative albums/songs, although nowhere near the level of the Clash (esp in the UK). Their first album in 1985, This Is Big Audio Dynamite, was my favorite, with E=mc2 being one of our wedding songs, while I think most in the US know their 1991 album better, with "Rush" and "Globe." Very good live band, too, having seen them 3x.
You would've liked this year's Melody Reunion (version 2) last week, as BAD, Happy Mondays, and the Farm were all played. I believe Stereo MCs (Connected) were played last year.
Nirvana is #1 for me with Modest Mouse a close 2nd. Here's my Seattle top ten.
1. Nirvana
2. Modest Mouse
2. Pearl Jam
4. Foo Fighters
5. Hendrix
6. Soundgarden
7. Death Cab for Cutie/Postal Service
8. Heart
9. Sleater-Kinney
10. The Sonics
Modest Mouse was an oversight. Nirvana wins on impact and recognition, but when you consider the depth and longevity of Alice in Chains, they have to be in a top 10, and IMO (and bac's) over Nirvana. Soundgarden and Chris Cornell's voice are other worldly. Miss Chris Cornell music terribly. His final solo album seemed like a cry for help.
AIC doesn't do much for me, sorry, so not in my top 10 and having them over Nirvana is sheer lunacy. Heard Cornell's version of Nothing Compares 2 U today - the man had such a great voice. Some AI expert should make a duet from Sinead's and Cornell's versions...
Have you ever listened to AIC unplugged? Maybe you would gain a deeper appreciation for them? I like Nirvana a lot, but musically, IMO they were just very average compared to AIC. The way Layne and Jerry harmonized on vocals was incredible. Nirvana was a one man show. I am not a huge Pearl Jam fan, but as a band, they are superior to Nirvana as a band. As a front man, Cobain wins.
I was a Clash guy and had to go to B.A.D. afterward... but I leaned more toward the ska stuff.. The Specials, The Beat, Madness.. and even UB40.. yeah, I said it.. and the real reggae stuff it stole from too. Then there was Haircut 100, FYC, Depeche Mode... there was so much to like about all of them... a great era. And when I get Rick Rolled... I love that too!
I've heard a ton of AIC - sorry, they just don't do it for me. Also, IMO Nirvana was far from a one man show, as those 3 guys created a furious, high tension, yet often very melodic sound together that I loved more than the sound of any of the other bands. We will obviously never agree on any of this. Love Pearl Jam too and Vedder was also a great front man.
At the Melody Reunion Saturday night, got to hear One Step Beyond (Madness) followed by Tears of a Clown (English Beat). Needless to say, I was near death after skanking to those two songs at my age, lol. No need to apologize for UB40 either.
Regarding the bands from Seattle, if you are including The Jimi Hendrix Experience, they have to be at the top of the list. Hendrix was from Seattle, however the trio was formed in England with Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding who were from the UK. There are some great bands from there, but Hendrix was on another level musically and his impact and influence on rock music is transcendent.
Rush and The Globe just drip of my drinking days at RU in the early 90s
Also Soup Dragons Free and Divine Thing. Spin Doctors Two Princes and Little Miss Cant Be Wrong
Just a brief period where this trippy danceable rock ruled alternative ultimately wiped out quickly by grunge
Wistfully remember the big outdoor parties at RU at the frats in Aprils
Hope Madonna is OK. Regardless of people's feelings on her, she is an iconic artist, and not doing well right now.
Madonna intubated in ICU after being found unresponsive in NYC
Madonna’s longtime manager, Guy Oseary, shared that his client had “developed a serious bacterial infection which led to a several day stay in the ICU.”
nypost.com
Hope Madonna is OK. Regardless of people's feelings on her, she is an iconic artist, and not doing well right now.
Madonna intubated in ICU after being found unresponsive in NYC
Madonna’s longtime manager, Guy Oseary, shared that his client had “developed a serious bacterial infection which led to a several day stay in the ICU.”
Likely from botched plastic surgery
I don't understand the hate shown toward Sheryl Crow. I'm a fan.
Me, too. Saw her at Bottlerock. I thought she was fantastic. Every song a hit.
I am shocked that there is some preference here for AIC over Nirvana. Nirvana - a one-man band? Nirvana literally created a new RNR genre.
For me, she seems a bit cheesy and lame, but that's probably unfair, as opinions on all forms of art will vary, and none are right. Also, part of it is the Hall admitted also sorts of non rock artists, while crapping all over iconic hard rock and metal bands like Iron Maiden, who I am not particularly fond of, but recognize that they are icons and should have been admitted long ago. There is a longer list of such artists/bands such as Motorhead and The Scorpions. Yeah, people will say that those bands were noise or made a bunch of cheesy hair metal songs.
I have much less of a problem with Sheryl Crow than Missy Elliot (who I like some of her songs) and other non-rock artists.
Rock on.
Ehh, that last sentence is a gross mischaracterization of grunge. Created? No way. See Mudhoney and Green River, or actually bands not from Seattle much earlier than them. Popularized? Absolutely.
And purists (and the bands themselves) do not consider many bands lumped in with the grunge label as grunge, including Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. IMO, these three bands, particularly Soundgarden and Alice in Chains are other worldly in talent compared to Nirvana, but as I stated above, opinions vary on these things.
I like Nirvana a lot. Somewhere on these boards, maybe above, RU#'s refuted my opinion on them, but I still disagree. I kind of lump them in with the Sex Pistols. A band that had an extremely short, but wildly successful and iconic run. Good on them. Nevermind and In Utero are great albums and fun to listen to. But for me, I celebrate Soundgarden's and AIC's entire catalogs, and they get regular listens to this day. Nevermind-nah.
Ten myths about grunge, Nirvana and Kurt Cobain
Kurt Cobain loved Abba, wasn't from Seattle and didn't invent grunge. Everett True, the man who pushed the singer's wheelchair on stage for his last UK show, sets the record straight
Wut? Child, you need to get educated on music history
Ehh, that last sentence is a gross mischaracterization of grunge. Created? No way. See Mudhoney and Green River, or actually bands not from Seattle much earlier than them. Popularized? Absolutely.
And purists (and the bands themselves) do not consider many bands lumped in with the grunge label as grunge, including Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. IMO, these three bands, particularly Soundgarden and Alice in Chains are other worldly in talent compared to Nirvana, but as I stated above, opinions vary on these things.
I like Nirvana a lot. Somewhere on these boards, maybe above, RU#'s refuted my opinion on them, but I still disagree. I kind of lump them in with the Sex Pistols. A band that had an extremely short, but wildly successful and iconic run. Good on them. Nevermind and In Utero are great albums and fun to listen to. But for me, I celebrate Soundgarden's and AIC's entire catalogs, and they get regular listens to this day. Nevermind-nah.
Ten myths about grunge, Nirvana and Kurt Cobain
Kurt Cobain loved Abba, wasn't from Seattle and didn't invent grunge. Everett True, the man who pushed the singer's wheelchair on stage for his last UK show, sets the record straightwww.theguardian.com
Same here...will regularly reach for AIC, PJ, STP, Soundgarden but less so for Nirvana. They were certainly good and impact was huge but they were not the genre and their rather short run does make a difference
I don’t think any of these bands created a “new genre” of music. These are all rock bands, RNR being a major genre of music contrasted with Jazz, Blues, etc. “Grunge” , “Hair Metal” are labels and labels can get kind of silly. The bands from Seattle had their own sound and each was a little different. It represented a change in the sound from what had been the popular rock sound during the 80s. Typically the next wave of rock music consumers coming want something different every 10 years or so. The popular sound gets stale, watered down and copied to a caricature of itself. It’s a reoccurring cycle in rock music. See Billy Joel’s song regarding Punk music, “It’s All Rock And Roll To Me”.
