LA hasn't had a good riot and looting in a few years.
OT: 2024 NY Yankees Season Thread
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Rizzo had one of the worst playoff performances I’ve ever witnessed. If you watched him on many of the doubles LA hit, the guy didn’t move. There was a base-running blunder in Game 2 that wasn’t talked about where he literally stopped running to second and ended up out when he would have been safe (killed a rally). Why was he holding the runner on after Weaver had already thrown over twice? “back-spin” on the squib - BS! That was a little league play and honestly I know it’s not the “right” play but why make Cole sprint 90’ when Rizzo could have jogged 4 feet. Keep Cole’s legs fresh. Then you look at some of his swings and you realize how lost he was for a veteran guy.
I put this disaster entirely on the GM and coaching staff. Easiest example - when Soto was on late in the game for some unknown reason he’s standing two feet off the bag. You would think he was about to get picked off. The commentators kept talking about his poor lead. Where the F is the First Base Coach? He doesn’t see Soto? Boone doesn’t see Soto? If someone told me the pitcher had picked off a dozen runners during the season then may be I get it.
Or how about Rojas - it wasn’t a “perfect throw” if it was any player other than Stanton rounding third. Knowing Stanton is the slowest guy on the team and LA’s arms are good, you can’t send him there.
I’ve come to the realization that just because all these coaches played baseball doesn’t mean they can coach baseball. There is a reason Theo Epstein was legendary and built championship teams - he was a smart lawyer that worked everyday with a bunch of former players that could probably barely read and never went to college.
How can you put this entirely on the coaching staff? I sure they didn't coach Judge to drop the ball in center in game 5 or for Cole not to cover first. The players are the ones on the field and are either executing or not executing.
Soto wasn't 2 feet off the bag. When they showed his lead his lead he was off a normal amount. Not a lead where he'd have to dive to get back but he certainly wasn't only 2 feet off. Smoltz just had a hard on for Soto the entire series. Saying that balls hit to Soto are doubles and triples and when they are hit to Betts they are only singles and saying he didn't run hard when he tagged up when in fact he was busting it down the line pretty good when they showed the replay.
Well now that baseball is over we can look back on the season to determine what team was the best NY team.
Here's the case for the NY Yankees:
Got to the WS
Here's the case for the NY Mets:
Swept the Yankees during the regular season.
Took the World Series Winner LA Dodgers to the 9th inning of Game six in the NLCS where thier rally ran out. Yankees only managed to force a game 5 in World Series and blew a 5 run lead.
The Mets were never supposed to get this far and gave us a magical ride. Next year the expectations will be higher.
For Both Teams its the old cry Wait until next year!
Here's the case for the NY Yankees:
Got to the WS
Here's the case for the NY Mets:
Swept the Yankees during the regular season.
Took the World Series Winner LA Dodgers to the 9th inning of Game six in the NLCS where thier rally ran out. Yankees only managed to force a game 5 in World Series and blew a 5 run lead.
The Mets were never supposed to get this far and gave us a magical ride. Next year the expectations will be higher.
For Both Teams its the old cry Wait until next year!
It’s on the managers to make sure the players execute properly. Boone & Co. let all these little bad habits fester during the regular season when he should have cracked down on the players. Inmates running the asylum. Attention to detail. It’s the little things that matter. Did Luis Rojas study the LA outfielders, the dimensions of stadiums, timed player speeds from second, etc. That may sound over-the-top but it was just the Stanton play he also got Torres thrown out at home in the Cleveland series.
Dont know what you are watching but Soto is a trash outfielder. He's all ego about $600 mil because he had a super year at the plate batting in front of Judge....not bad protection.
Dude has ZERO heart. He's a Nate Robinson 5* talent that plays to a 3* . Wont be crushed when he signs elsewhere. Let's see if he iba stand alone power hitter with less protection behind him
Not for anything but wouldnt these Einstein's have the foresight to see looting & large crowds if they won and bring in hundreds of more cops and have National Guard on standby
We're all disappointed, but there were some positives
1. Torres played well and I think warrants the effort to try and offer a reasonable contract.
2. Stanton, when healthy, can still be a force.
3. If Holmes is willing to accept the roll as a setup guy...offer him.
4. Cole is still top shelf.
Suggestions for 25...move Jazz to RF/CF, sign Bregman, let Soto walk, get a real closer, and get rid of Cashman/Boone.
Can Judge play 1st base, cause Rizzo is done?
1. Torres played well and I think warrants the effort to try and offer a reasonable contract.
2. Stanton, when healthy, can still be a force.
3. If Holmes is willing to accept the roll as a setup guy...offer him.
4. Cole is still top shelf.
Suggestions for 25...move Jazz to RF/CF, sign Bregman, let Soto walk, get a real closer, and get rid of Cashman/Boone.
Can Judge play 1st base, cause Rizzo is done?
Problem is your proposal won’t get the Yanks back to the WS…I don’t know enough about potential trades and FAs, but the future is not bright especially if Soto leaves. As much as his D was mediocre, the guy could end up being an all-time great. He’s only 26.
Unless they can structure a contract like Ohtani, that's ties up a lot of $$$. And I think California tax law is more team friendly than New York tax law.
I hear you…but not sure they have an option because if Soto walks the Yanks’ odds of even making the playoffs goes WAY down. Basically, Yanks are screwed. This was the year. I’m wondering if the soul-crushing way this series played out will impact players next year. Imagine reporting to Spring training next season - no way to simply let this one go. I’ve seen the Yanks win a bunch of WS but unfortunately I will never forget this debacle because I’ve never seen anything like it. Not to mention that Freeman GS will be a regular high-light reel for eternity. Thank you Boone/Nestor!
Torres is a huge dogger... move on
Stanton DH too high priced
Soto not worth the $$$ liability in OF was protected all yr with Judge behind him.
Judge there will be a day RF or 1B. He needs to be in field he loses juice/production as DH
Like to see them sign Jazz he just needs to start hitting for better average and stop swinging to hit the train in RF
The Yanks need scrappy players not privileged players. Judge needs to step up his game as captain and demand hustle
Bring up the 6'6 phenom from AA put him in CF and move Judge to RF
In all fairness he was playing with 2 broken fingers...as someone who has done the same its very plainful. Probably why his bat was dragging slow thru strike zone. Seemed like the barrel was always way behind..kind if tells me he was having a tough time throwing the hands thru swing
The good news is that now the Yankees have 2 players with candy bars named after them.....
Reggie Jackson (Reggie Bar)
Aaron Judge (Butterfingers)
Reggie Jackson (Reggie Bar)
Aaron Judge (Butterfingers)
Oh come on, Soto is a mediocre to poor outfielder. If you watched him play in San Diego you wouldn't be surprised by his play with the Yankees.
Intersting, We need Judge to carry us to the playoffs during the regular season but then he loses the real test, the playoffs. A terrible dilemma. Judge has to carry us to a World Series win or his legacy, fair or not, was missing that easy flyball in the fifth.
A true leader/champion at least plays the same in the post-season and even raises his game:
Derek Jeter (BA, OB, OBS, HR) - 162 game average
Regular - .310 ; .377 ; .817 ; 15
Post - .308 ; .374 ; .838 ; 20
Very similar in the playoffs with a bit more power.....and obviously tons of amazing intangibles.
Mariano Riveria - he made the equivalent of 1.5 seasons worth of appearances in the post-season
(ERA, WHIP, Hits/9, HR/9, BB/9, K/9)
Regular - 2.21 ; 1.000 ; 7.0 ; 0.5 ; 2.0 ; 8.2
Post - 0.70 ; 0.759 ; 4.2 ; 0.2 ; 1.0 ; 7.1
Holy F! Any question on why Riveria was the first unanimous inductee to the HOF? Just wow.
Aaron Judge - played in 58 post-season games:
(BA, OB, OBS, HR/162, RBI/162)
Regular - .288 ; .406 ; 1.010 ; 51 ; 117
Post - .205 ; .315 ; .768 ; 45 ; 95
Not as bad as I expected with the HRs, but truly awful with overall production at the plate (regular season vs. playoffs).
First basemen are involved in more plays than any other player in the field. Why wouldn't you put your best fielder at first? Trying to hide your worst fielder at first will come back to bite you.
Mets have been playing golf for almost two weeks. Mets didn't win the NL East or the the League Championship, nothing to show for the season or playoffs. Yankees had the better year.
Hes 32 and getting older. It will be RF to 1B to DH or CF fo RF. That will happen in next 2yrs maybe next year if the play bring up the 6'6" dude in AA seeing as next yr is a rebuild might as well put the kid they brought up at end of yr this yr, the 6'6 and replace Rizzo.
Need to upgrade Glaybar he does not hustle for shit
I hope like hell Hal decides that either Boone or Cashman gets let go.
As bad of a roster that Cashman has assembled, that series was winnable.
So...that means Boone was the problem...to me.
And even though Soto is young, the issue might be how much Hal wants to pay in that "luxury tax".
The other future problem is defense with Soto and Stanton already takes up the DH spot.
As bad of a roster that Cashman has assembled, that series was winnable.
So...that means Boone was the problem...to me.
And even though Soto is young, the issue might be how much Hal wants to pay in that "luxury tax".
The other future problem is defense with Soto and Stanton already takes up the DH spot.
I'm pretty sure they played in the World Series this year. Proven truth the Mets fans are Stupid
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And there it is. Almost every time. Projection and the word stupid. It's fun, though, that you're only pretty sure.
All of this still leaves us to wonder, given that the Mets walked through the Yankees this year like they were Toms River North LL, whether the Yankees were better than even the Padres.😀
(I say this with profound apologies to the normal Yankee fans who don't burp out the word stupid every time a self-loathing thought comes to mind. I feel your pain. But not this guy.)
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Yanks blew game 1. Could have stolen game 2. Pissed away game 5. People are giving LA too much credit and Yanks too little credit. It was a World Series team with a little league coaching staff. Well-managed teams don’t make those mistakes. Boone & co. Need to go
I'm still in disbelief over that freaking fifth inning clown show. This doesn't hurt as much as the 2004 collapse but it's close
Good try but the Mets played the WS Champs closer and for longer and they had to do it against a healthy Othani. Yahkees got a huge break there.
Oh yeah the analaysis was who was the best NY Team and that's the Mets who swept the Yankees during the regular season stupid.
Yanks were the better team. Record, #1 seed, WS appearance.
Results matter.
With that said, we will see who does better in the offseason. I am expecting the Yanks to take a big step back next season. Hal is a wuss. Mets have the better owner.
The Mets won exactly one more game in the NL championship series they lost to the Dodgers than the Yankees did in the World Series.
The Dodgers outscored the Yankees in the five game World Series 25-24.
They outscored the Mets in their six game series 46-27
Fair enough. But don't forget the 36-14 shellacking, or the lack of a circus-worthy clown show at the end of the year.
Mets fan here. I acknowledge Yankees had the better regular season. They had a better record than the Mets. They won a very strong division, Mets did not.
Their postseasons were equivalent. Both teams won two series before losing to the best team in baseball. FWIW, the Mets road to the Dodgers was the more difficult.
Both teams had successful seasons which should be celebrated.
Their postseasons were equivalent. Both teams won two series before losing to the best team in baseball. FWIW, the Mets road to the Dodgers was the more difficult.
Both teams had successful seasons which should be celebrated.
When the Yankees were struggling they were awful.
Sometimes it's when you play a team. The Yanks were in an awful stretch when they played the Mets.
BTW, having been around for the Mets championships in 1969 and 1986, I always say that as long as the Mets don't win it all I'm a happy camper. It's been my experience that Mets fans are bad winners....probably because they haven't had enough practice at it.
LA is not as good as everyone is claiming and Yanks are not as bad. Again, Yanks should have won G1. Could have stolen G2. Blew G5. Yes, in the end the Dodgers proved they were the better team but I’m still convinced that if Boone/Nestor didn’t give up a soul-crushing GS (which we will all be watching on every future WS promo for eternity) the Yanks may have won it all.
