OT: NY Rangers 2024-2025 Thread

[krup]

Seeing Sabres rumors of something (possibly big) happening by tomorrow (other team not mentioned).

I know Cozens and Byram have been rumored to a lot of teams but neither help the Ranger’s deficiencies. I like Tuch a ton but getting him would be throwing more assets at the aging core that is already letting us down.

 

[LaytonScarlet]

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i don’t know if anyone will get the Brady Bunch reference, but I am starting to think there is a cursed tiki idol that a Ranger defensemen must wear each game that causes them to make stupid pinches in the offensive zone against their will.

Ever since Miller went out Jones is picking up the slack and making the same kind of mistakes Miller would.

I guess Lindgren was wearing the idol on Sunday (and it also causes terible decisions at the D zone blueline)? I hope he and the rest of the defensive corps return it to the ancient burial ground.

 

[KnightKnight]

New York Rangers President and General Manager Chris Drury announced today that the team has acquired defenseman Will Borgen, a third-round pick in the 2025 NHL Entry Draft, and a sixth-round pick in the 2025 NHL Entry Draft from the Seattle Kraken in exchange for Kaapo Kakko.

Borgen, 27, has skated in 33 games with Seattle this season, registering one goal and one assist for two points, along with nine penalty minutes. He ranks fifth on the Kraken this season in hits (48) and blocked shots (37).

The 6-3, 204-pounder has skated in 247 career NHL games over parts of six NHL seasons with the Kraken and Buffalo Sabres, registering nine goals and 46 assists for 55 points, along with 153 penalty minutes. Borgen skated in all of Seattle’s 82 games in each of the last two seasons, and he established career-highs with 22 assists and 25 points in 2023-24. He registered 203 hits in 2022-23 and 195 hits in 2023-24, and he ranks 12th among NHL defensemen in hits since the start of the 2022-23 season (446).

 

[krup]

New York Rangers President and General Manager Chris Drury announced today that the team has acquired defenseman Will Borgen, a third-round pick in the 2025 NHL Entry Draft, and a sixth-round pick in the 2025 NHL Entry Draft from the Seattle Kraken in exchange for Kaapo Kakko.

Borgen, 27, has skated in 33 games with Seattle this season, registering one goal and one assist for two points, along with nine penalty minutes. He ranks fifth on the Kraken this season in hits (48) and blocked shots (37).

The 6-3, 204-pounder has skated in 247 career NHL games over parts of six NHL seasons with the Kraken and Buffalo Sabres, registering nine goals and 46 assists for 55 points, along with 153 penalty minutes. Borgen skated in all of Seattle’s 82 games in each of the last two seasons, and he established career-highs with 22 assists and 25 points in 2023-24. He registered 203 hits in 2022-23 and 195 hits in 2023-24, and he ranks 12th among NHL defensemen in hits since the start of the 2022-23 season (446).

Man, the Rangers are badly run. Borgen is a bad bottom pair defensemen who is a UFA after this year anyway.

The only need he can possibly fill is if Laviolette begged them to get him a body for the 3rd pair so he can bench Jones.

 

[zappaa]

Man, the Rangers are badly run. Borgen is a bad bottom pair defensemen who is a UFA after this year anyway.

The only need he can possibly fill is if Laviolette begged them to get him a body for the 3rd pair so he can bench Jones.

I’m a firm believer Kakko is a bottom six player with a 40 point ceiling on a good year.
Rangers last 4 high picks.
Anderson 7
Kravtsov 9
Kakko 2
Busts.
Laf at 1 doesn’t do much for me either, he’s certainly no Jack Hughes

 

[krup]

I’m a firm believer Kakko is a bottom six player with a 40 point ceiling a on good year.
Rangers last 4 high picks.
Anderson 7
Kravtsov 9
Kakko 2
Busts.
Laf at 1 doesn’t do much for me either, he’s certainly no Jack Hughes

You can’t lump those picks, together, though.

Virtually every team in the league would have taken Laf and Kakko where the Rangers took them.

Anderson and Kravstov were reaches using the recommendation of a European scouting department that proved to be a failure and who I believe have all been fired.

I am a big football fan, and the difference between how the Rangers handle prospects and how the NFL handles 1st rounders is night and day.

In the NFL teams bend over backwards to put their top young players in a position to succeed.

The Rangers make the young players fit their system even if that takes not using some of the skills that made the young player a top prospect, and they defer to veterans when in reality you should be hoping the young player replaces the veteran as soon as possible.

 

[krup]

I’m a firm believer Kakko is a bottom six player with a 40 point ceiling on a good year.
Rangers last 4 high picks.
Anderson 7
Kravtsov 9
Kakko 2
Busts.
Laf at 1 doesn’t do much for me either, he’s certainly no Jack Hughes

Here are some stats I saw from this year that refute your “bottom six player” comment.

Only 4 RWs in the league have more primary assists per 60 minutes played than Kakko.

Only 4 RWs in the league have been on the ice for less goals per 60 minutes played than Kakko

His whole career has been a complete mishandling of an asset by the Rangers.

 

[zappaa]

Here are some stats I saw from this year that refute your “bottom six player” comment.

Only 4 RWs in the league have more primary assists per 60 minutes played than Kakko.

Only 4 RWs in the league have been on the ice for less goals per 60 minutes played than Kakko

His whole career has been a complete mishandling of an asset by the Rangers.

He’s had every opportunity to play a top 6 roll and failed.
I’m admittedly not a analytics guy.

I see:
A guy who can’t get his shot off.
A guy who makes no one miss.
A guy who fights for possession but puts himself in no man’s land constantly.
No speed, no creativity, can’t stick handle.

 

[krup]

He’s had every opportunity to play a top 6 roll and failed.
I’m admittedly not a analytics guy.

I see:
A guy who can’t get his shot off.
A guy who makes no one miss.
A guy who fights for possession but puts himself in no man’s land constantly.
No speed, no creativity, can’t stick handle.

He hasn’t though. His big “opportunity” at a top 6 role was games on the RW of the Mika line where proven solid NHL RWs go to die.

His numbers considering his limited ice time are good, and he was one of only a few defensively responsible forwards on this team.

I don’t know the styles of Seattle’s centers that well but I know they have some productive ones and I expect him to do better in a place where ice time is not as limited by deference to veterans as it is on the Rangers.

 

[zappaa]

He hasn’t though. His big “opportunity” at a top 6 role was games on the RW of the Mika line where proven solid NHL RWs go to die.

His numbers considering his limited ice time are good, and he was one of only a few defensively responsible forwards on this team.

I don’t know the styles of Seattle’s centers that well but I know they have some productive ones and I expect him to do better in a place where ice time is not as limited by deference to veterans as it is on the Rangers.

He will benefit by playing in a forechecking system where his wingers support him.
His ability to work the boards and possess the puck will be a good edition for a team that takes away time and space and believes in puck pressure in every zone.
Opposite of what the Rangers do.

1-3-1 lock is exactly what it sounds like.
One forchecker and 3 retreating zone defenders

 

[krup]

He will benefit by playing in a forechecking system where his wingers support him.
His ability to work the boards and possess the puck will be a good edition for a team that takes away time and space and believes in puck pressure in every zone.
Opposite of what the Rangers do.

1-3-1 lock is exactly what it sounds like.
One forchecker and 3 retreating zone defenders

I am at work and can’t link correctly using my phone, but it is worth your time to look for two things today.

A YouTube called “the Rangers are broken” by Hockey Psychology does a good job of showing how the forecheck and defensive structure is failing.

An article by beat writer Vince Mercogliano called “do the rangers have a culture problem” makes a case that a pretty toxic work environment exists in the organization, and made me rethink the value of Sather being around (according to the article Sather did a good job of acting as a buffer between Dolan and the team, while Drury doesn’t have the gravitas or the will to do that).

 

[TM94goRU]

Outside opinion on Kakko. He is already a damn good defensive forward. His struggles are at least a part of being the #2 overall pick drafted between Hughes and Dach, now add in Gotham.

A little different story but look at how much better Pavel Zacha is in Boston than Newark. A chief reason was with the Devils he was considered a bust because like Kakko he never lived up to his pre draft hype. After the trade put in position to succeed, he has become much better all around. I fully expect Kakko's numbers to do the same. I hope my team trades for or signs Kakko because even if I'm wrong and Kappo doesn't reach consistent 20 to 25 goal level, he keeps the Puck out of the net.

Chris Drury got upset and made a haste move that return is laughable. Now maybe it's because in the last couple of days I have heard your team may fire him, two surprise name's floated shocked me, Mike Rupp or Sean Avery. I don't think either happens , but it illustrates the off ice problems of Team Dolan. BTW for my NJD I would have traded a '25 2nd Round pick and given the NYR a lists of prospects, choose 2. This would be my starting position.

 

[krup]

Outside opinion on Kakko. He is already a damn good defensive forward. His struggles are at least a part of being the #2 overall pick drafted between Hughes and Dach, now add in Gotham.

A little different story but look at how much better Pavel Zacha is in Boston than Newark. A chief reason was with the Devils he was considered a bust because like Kakko he never lived up to his pre draft hype. After the trade put in position to succeed, he has become much better all around. I fully expect Kakko's numbers to do the same. I hope my team trades for or signs Kakko because even if I'm wrong and Kappo doesn't reach consistent 20 to 25 goal level, he keeps the Puck out of the net.

Chris Drury got upset and made a haste move that return is laughable. Now maybe it's because in the last couple of days I have heard your team may fire him, two surprise name's floated shocked me, Mike Rupp or Sean Avery. I don't think either happens , but it illustrates the off ice problems of Team Dolan. BTW for my NJD I would have traded a '25 2nd Round pick and given the NYR a lists of prospects, choose 2. This would be my starting position.

I don’t like Drury at all, but if the Rangers bring Sean Avery on in any kind of position with authority it may be the thing that actually gets me to completely transfer my hockey fan interest to the NCAA level.

 

[TM94goRU]

I don’t like Drury at all, but if the Rangers bring Sean Avery on in any kind of position with authority it may be the thing that actually gets me to completely transfer my hockey fan interest to the NCAA level.

Yes it has to be tough for diehard fans like you. The first place I heard his name was on TopShelf Hockey on YouTube. I would have dismissed it, but it's a copycat league and look at the Flyers hiring Keith Jones. Anyhow best of luck, the rivalry is best when both combatants are playing well.

 

[krup]

Yes it has to be tough for diehard fans like you. The first place I heard his name was on TopShelf Hockey on YouTube. I would have dismissed it, but it's a copycat league and look at the Flyers hiring Keith Jones. Anyhow best of luck, the rivalry is best when both combatants are playing well.

At least Keith Jones worst case is an ex player media guy in over his head in management.

Avery is just a s***bag as a person and should be shunned.

 

[TM94goRU]

At least Keith Jones worst case is an ex player media guy in over his head in management.

Avery is just a s***bag as a person and should be shunned.

Agreed!

 

[zappaa]

Sean Avery does nothing but call out 6-3 and 6-5 225 pound players who play like they weigh 175.

 

[krup]

Sean Avery does nothing but call out 6-3 and 6-5 225 pound players who play like they weigh 175.

I expect more from you, Zap. Being right about the current team doesn’t whitewash Avery’s history of being an awful human being.

 

[TM94goRU]

Christmas has come early, Mancini demoted and Matt Rempe recalled for Monday.

 

[krup]

Christmas has come early, Mancini demoted and Matt Rempe recalled for Monday.

The only thing working for the Rangers recently was the 4th line, so they had to put a stop to that.

The 50% of the fanbase who can be satisfied just by giving them Rempe getting 5 minutes of ice time with one fight and one bad penalty taken will be happy, though.

 

[RU Cheese]

The only thing working for the Rangers recently was the 4th line, so they had to put a stop to that.

The 50% of the fanbase who can be satisfied just by giving them Rempe getting 5 minutes of ice time with one fight and one bad penalty taken will be happy, though.

Kakko had the highest +/- on the team not named Cuylle

 

[zappaa]

Kakko with 13:15 minutes last night

 

[mikemarc1]

Rempe…1st game back with NHL team..gets kicked out for a dirty hit. Guy can’t continue to play at this level…

 

[mdk01]

Igor 3 - Dallas 1

 

[miker183]

Rempe…1st game back with NHL team..gets kicked out for a dirty hit. Guy can’t continue to play at this level…

It's a natural reaction to raise your arms to brace for a hit, but when you're 6'8", your elbows have to be PINNED to your sides. If you don't do that you will and should be called.

 

[zappaa]

23 shots against came on 7 power plays including a 5 minute major.

Outside of the first 5 minutes, it was the Rangers best gap control and slowing down the rush effort all year.

My prediction is Z Jones will be glued to the bench the remainder of the year

 

[krup]

23 shots against came on 7 power plays including a 5 minute major.

Outside of the first 5 minutes, it was the Rangers best gap control and slowing down the rush effort all year.

My prediction is Z Jones will be glued to the bench the remainder of the year

It’s great that majority of the chances they gave up were on the PP, and Shesterkin played great.

What’s not so great is they had almost as many power plays and didn’t generate s**t on offense.

The expected goals for last night’s game was something like 6-2 Dallas.

 

[TM94goRU]

Whatever the Yardbarker sports site is, they are reporting the NYR are shopping Ryan Lindgren, and he is most likely the next to go. Just a friendly FYI.

 

[krup]

Whatever the Yardbarker sports site is, they are reporting the NYR are shopping Ryan Lindgren, and he is most likely the next to go. Just a friendly FYI.

If Drury wants to bump up his favorable rating, that would do it. Lindgren has few supporters at this point.

 

[krup]

Devils -1.5 for +115 seems like easy money today.

I might throw something on Devils -3.5 for +560. This could get ugly,

 

[zappaa]

Keep looking at the monitor you horses ass mortician.
To many men on the ice twice in one game.

Fire this bum of a coach

 

[tomatocan]

Rempe, we hardly knew ye.

 

[krup]

Keep looking at the monitor you horses ass mortician.
To many men on the ice twice in one game.

Fire this bum of a coach

As much as certain of the players drive me nuts, there is too much individual talent still on this team to play as badly as they have been without the coaching being a major factor.

 

[mikemarc1]

Keep looking at the monitor you horses ass mortician.
To many men on the ice twice in one game.

Fire this bum of a coach

Every year when the rangers fall short - the coach is blamed..

I think it’s the GM and roster that needs an overhaul.

 

[wisr01]

Devils -1.5 for +115 seems like easy money today.

I might throw something on Devils -3.5 for +560. This could get ugly,

I hope you did

 

[krup]

Every year when the rangers fall short - the coach is blamed..

I think it’s the GM and roster that needs an overhaul.

I don’t disagree that the Rangers need a retool, but you can’t ignore the coaching when you keep in mind that even though the name changes the coaching style they hire always stays close to the same.

Even the guy (Quinn) they sold as a developer of young players really hadn’t done much of that in college and had the same mentality of giving veterans too much leash and only punishing young players for mistakes.

 

[krup]

I hope you did

I only ever bet small amounts to keep things interesting. I put $20 on each and will win about $150.

 

[mikemarc1]

I don’t disagree that the Rangers need a retool, but you can’t ignore the coaching when you keep in mind that even though the name changes the coaching style they hire always stays close to the same.

Even the guy (Quinn) they sold as a developer of young players really hadn’t done much of that in college and had the same mentality of giving veterans too much leash and only punishing young players for mistakes.

Wasn’t it because of coaching though that they got to the conference finals last year?

It’s the same coach..same coaching style. It’s just that the players are regressing FAST.

 

[wisr01]

I only ever bet small amounts to keep things interesting. I put $20 on each and will win about $150.

Congrats too bad you didnt drop a 50.

 

[krup]

Wasn’t it because of coaching though that they got to the conference finals last year?

It’s the same coach..same coaching style. It’s just that the players are regressing FAST.

Either Lav or Drury or (probably) both have lost this team completely.

Someone like Mika can be explained by regression due to age, that doesn’t explain how all of the younger players have stopped being effective at anything.

If this was a sport covered more like football, we would hear more about the organizational dysfunction like we do with a team like the Jets.

I know a story can out last week that the Rangers have completed separated the players from other team employees. Everyone else has to stay in a different hotel and can’t associate socially with the players outside of official duties.

There is rumor of a scandal between a player and a member of the social media team, but other people imply it is just Drury being a psycho.