OT: NY Rangers 2024-2025 Thread

[krup]

He’s an idiot but not wrong calling out how soft they are.
When players have confidence they can rely on their structure, system and coaches, they perform without thinking and react.

Rangers have no confidence in system or coaches, all they do is over think and over react…a complete cluster f’k.

Players mishandle pucks and make mistakes all the time on great teams, structure and system picks them up.

Every mistake the Rangers make turns into a grade A or a goal against… you can’t play like that, they are scared to death

I try to give Avery as little attention as possible, but I did notice he has a horrifically bad take on Cuylle a few weeks ago.

To your other comments, I struggle to understand what the Rangers’ goal even is when it comes to the offensive zone besides “make cross ice pass to try and get open shot”.

If there was any kind of structured forecheck that the players believed in and actually stuck to there’s no way they could allow the amount of odd man rushes they do. I suspect the Rangers have a “framework” for what they are doing, but certain of the forwards are deferred to and allowed to freelance with the result being chaos.

 

[zappaa]

I try to give Avery as little attention as possible, but I did notice he has a horrifically bad take on Cuylle a few weeks ago.

To your other comments, I struggle to understand what the Rangers’ goal even is when it comes to the offensive zone besides “make cross ice pass to try and get open shot”.

If there was any kind of structured forecheck that the players believed in and actually stuck to there’s no way they could allow the amount of odd man rushes they do. I suspect the Rangers have a “framework” for what they are doing, but certain of the forwards are deferred to and allowed to freelance with the result being chaos.

Larry Brooks (NY Post) is adamant it’s not the coaches,
I argue with him about system and philosophy and he counters with “under 3 different coaches”
He believes the Rangers do not have the personnel to play the take away time and space game you need to compete against good teams today.
Even the Rangers power play is rushed and harassed now

 

[TM94goRU]

He’s an idiot but not wrong calling out how soft they are.
When players have confidence they can rely on their structure, system and coaches, they perform without thinking and react.

Rangers have no confidence in system or coaches, all they do is over think and over react…a complete cluster f’k.

Players mishandle pucks and make mistakes all the time on great teams, structure and system picks them up.

Every mistake the Rangers make turns into a grade A or a goal against… you can’t play like that, they are scared to death

I always thought of him as an idiot but I stumbled across his breakdown of the game and found it entertaining. So much so I wanted to share it here, where unlike the pitiful Devils thread, constantly has good hockey talk on it.

Your commentary about your team is spot on. I still think the Rangers will be in the Top 3. Personally I think the GM Drury has contributed alot to the recent struggles. After Goodrow told him he didn't want to go back to San Jose, Drury talks to the Sharks and cuts him so they can pick him up. Then your Captain Trouba's situation. He wanted the NYR as much for his wife's career. This was known when he signed, and her medical residency is still going on, so a good GM knows, no trade. Simply put to tell you what you already know 😂, the Rangers have not been treating their players right. As such being human with seemingly most NAME players on the trade block, they are not locked in on winning games. This is the whole thing IMHO, and I didn't even mention Mika or Chris being on the block, or the goalie contract. Maybe James Dolan never gave Drury autonomy. I LOL, to you and the rest here I say hang in there it's a long season.

 

[krup]

I always thought of him as an idiot but I stumbled across his breakdown of the game and found it entertaining. So much so I wanted to share it here, where unlike the pitiful Devils thread, constantly has good hockey talk on it.

Your commentary about your team is spot on. I still think the Rangers will be in the Top 3. Personally I think the GM Drury has contributed alot to the recent struggles. After Goodrow told him he didn't want to go back to San Jose, Drury talks to the Sharks and cuts him so they can pick him up. Then your Captain Trouba's situation. He wanted the NYR as much for his wife's career. This was known when he signed, and her medical residency is still going on, so a good GM knows, no trade. Simply put to tell you what you already know 😂, the Rangers have not been treating their players right. As such being human with seemingly most NAME players on the trade block, they are not locked in on winning games. This is the whole thing IMHO, and I didn't even mention Mika or Chris being on the block, or the goalie contract. Maybe James Dolan never gave Drury autonomy. I LOL, to you and the rest here I say hang in there it's a long season.

There are some real basic issues with the cases you cited that would be a problem in ANY organization, not just sports.

How can the Rangers not know what a bad look the whole Goodrow thing was and how the players would react?

How can the Rangers be in trade discussions for Trouba that advance far enough the hockey media is all over it, without discussing it with the player who has the ability to put a No Trade list together?

Now, the incessant leaks are just adding to the aura of incompetence.

 

[TM94goRU]

There are some real basic issues with the cases you cited that would be a problem in ANY organization, not just sports.

How can the Rangers not know what a bad look the whole Goodrow thing was and how the players would react?

How can the Rangers be in trade discussions for Trouba that advance far enough the hockey media is all over it, without discussing it with the player who has the ability to put a No Trade list together?

Now, the incessant leaks are just adding to the aura of incompetence.

100%. Oh and shocker you put 2 I would say glue guys for the NYR on the trade block, and gee a losing streak. Players are not robots, how you treat them matters. The way the organization has treated people could be costly for awhile, as all these guys are well respected around the NHL, because all things being even, who will want to play in the fishbowl. Alot of pressure and the company will screw you. It is not a selling point for team Dolan.

 

[RU Cheese]

There are some real basic issues with the cases you cited that would be a problem in ANY organization, not just sports.

How can the Rangers not know what a bad look the whole Goodrow thing was and how the players would react?

How can the Rangers be in trade discussions for Trouba that advance far enough the hockey media is all over it, without discussing it with the player who has the ability to put a No Trade list together?

Now, the incessant leaks are just adding to the aura of incompetence.

I thought the Trouba issue wasn't the no trade list, but since his wife's residency was delayed a year (was originally aligned to his NMC), he told the team he would refuse to report if traded.

 

[zappaa]

You can also simplify things and realize at present top to bottom, the Rangers collectively have the worst centers in the NHL

 

[krup]

I thought the Trouba issue wasn't the no trade list, but since his wife's residency was delayed a year (was originally aligned to his NMC), he told the team he would refuse to report if traded.

The trade rumors to Detroit came out before Trouba’s list was due, so he put Detroit on the list of teams he couldn’t be traded to and allegedly told them he would not report if they made a deal with someone NOT on his list.

To be fair to Trouba on the “won’t report” comments, this is after the Goodrow moves so the players are probably pretty cynical about what the Rangers are capable of trying at this point.

 

[krup]

Trouba held out today and rumors of an impending move.

Pierre LeBrun says the Rangers are even considering doing a waiver maneuver like they did with Goodrow. That would be pretty shitty if you ask me.

 

[zappaa]

Trouba held out today and rumors of an impending move.

Pierre LeBrun says the Rangers are even considering doing a waiver maneuver like they did with Goodrow. That would be pretty shitty if you ask me.

Our D men including Truba are completely nullified because of the immense pressure they are under.
We have a forwards issue with our lack of forecheck and back pressure.

Put Truba on the Hurricane’s with all that O Zone time and back pressure, he’d be good.

As I told you The Posts Larry Brooks and his NHL sources think this is a player, not system issue.

3 weak centers, One compromised from head issues

 

[Captain Hogleg]

What a tire fire this is becoming. 😂

 

[ClassOf02]

Rumors of a trade for Brady Tkachuk out there….wonder who we’d give up if that were true.

Re: Trouba — I really don’t think you can put him on waivers. After Goodrow, what signal would Drury be sending?

 

[Ronnie_B]

Rumors of a trade for Brady Tkachuk out there….wonder who we’d give up if that were true.

Re: Trouba — I really don’t think you can put him on waivers. After Goodrow, what signal would Drury be sending?

Brooks started that rumor, Dreger saying otherwise:

 

[krup]

Trouba didn’t hit waivers, so the assumption is he agreed to waive his NTC for one of the deals the Rangers presented.

 

[Ronnie_B]

Trouba didn’t hit waivers, so the assumption is he agreed to waive his NTC for one of the deals the Rangers presented.

 

[ClassOf02]

Brooks started that rumor, Dreger saying otherwise:

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Yeah I saw this too. Brooks is a lot of things, but just purely making something up and throwing it out on Twitter? I dunno.

 

[krup]

Yeah I saw this too. Brooks is a lot of things, but just purely making something up and throwing it out on Twitter? I dunno.

Brooks has been throwing ridiculous trade rumors out there for years.

 

[krup]

Don’t be surprised if it involves more and Vatrano is coming back. He is one of the few RWs that seemed to gel with Mika and Kreider.

 

[Ronnie_B]

Don’t be surprised if it involves more and Vatrano is coming back. He is one of the few RWs that seemed to gel with Mika and Kreider.

 

[Ronnie_B]

And according to Friedman no retention, which is a W for Drury.

 

[krup]

And according to Friedman no retention, which is a W for Drury.

I expected Trouba had more value around the league than Ranger fans thought, but I am surprised about the no retention.

 

[krup]

I know nothing about this Vaakanainen, but from what I read he is a serviceable 3rd pair defensive guy when he can stay healthy, which hasn’t really happened for him until recently.

 

[krup]

People aren’t happy ANA took the whole salary.

The best line I read was-

“I heard that (Ana GM) Verbeek had something cooking today. Turns out it was meth”

 

[ClassOf02]

I expected Trouba had more value around the league than Ranger fans thought, but I am surprised about the no retention.

Someone just told me that Trouba’s cap hit and Brady Tkachuk’s are approximately the same….hmmmm 🤔

 

[krup]

Someone just told me that Trouba’s cap hit and Brady Tkachuk’s are approximately the same….hmmmm 🤔

It would probably take sending at least one someone we hate losing to get Tkachuk.

I fine know what to think about Brady because Ottawa has been such a mess.

I am afraid they would be paying for someone they think can turn into Matthew Tkachuk and instead getting the Temu version of Matthew Tkachuk.

 

[KnightKnight]

Igor 8yrs 11.5 to 12 AAV done

 

[krup]

Igor 8yrs 11.5 to 12 AAV done

Even though we know they needed space, that’s kind if cold to tie to dumping Trouba so blatantly by doing it within hours of the trade.

 

[RU Cheese]

11.5M for a guy who can't make a glove save. 8 years hasn't kicked in yet? Great

 

[ruteelrice]

Rangers are smart to take advantage of treating players like crap because nothing will ever stop young rich guys from wanting a Manhattan apartment

 

[T2Kplus20]

One problem gone, one more to go. Let’s hope Charmin soft Mika is gone soon as well.

 

[krup]

One problem gone, one more to go. Let’s hope Charmin soft Mika is gone soon as well.

I don’t see how they solve that one.

Of course the NMC is a big issue, as is the idea Trouba was going to have value because there are always some GMs who value toughness in their defense over analytics.

I don’t think there is much market for “soft center who the other team’s 1C will always wreck head to head, and who by the way has horrible even strength production”.

 

[T2Kplus20]

I don’t see how they solve that one.

Of course the NMC is a big issue, as is the idea Trouba was going to have value because there are always some GMs who value toughness in their defense over analytics.

I don’t think there is much market for “soft center who the other team’s 1C will always wreck head to head, and who by the way has horrible even strength production”.

Pay for half or most of his salary. Just eat the contract and get rid of him. Addition by subtraction!

 

[krup]

Pay for half or most of his salary. Just eat the contract and get rid of him. Addition by subtraction!

As much as he drives me nuts, and without being able to truly count on Chytil’s health, I don’t go that drastic yet.

1. I would play the shit out of Zbad on specials and the 3v3 OT. Otherwise, his line is now the 3rd line and gets about 10-12 minutes at 5v5 each game.

2. I start working on getting another top 6 center, but take 12-18 months if that is what it takes to get the right guy, don’t rush and grab a guy because he is an available center.

3. Once I have completed my #2, I follow the steps outlined in your comment.

 

[zappaa]

I’m shocked The Ducks took on Truba’s entire salary.
To me he can only help a solid team who’s committed to defending and puck pressure.

He’s useless when on an island at this point in his career

 

[krup]

Luckily, I was unable to watch today’s game, but I saw an amazing stat that shows all of our complaining about the soft veterans is a waste of time. Nothing is going to change with the people running the Rangers.

The Chytil-Kakko-Cuylle line left the ice with 6:39 left in the 2nd period and the Rangers up 3-1. The next time they were put on the ice there was 33 seconds left in the period and the Rangers were down 4-3.

They had already scored a goal and are the best defensive line, and the coach trusted the veterans over them when the game was falling apart.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Luckily, I was unable to watch today’s game, but I saw an amazing stat that shows all of our complaining about the soft veterans is a waste of time. Nothing is going to change with the people running the Rangers.

The Chytil-Kakko-Cuylle line left the ice with 6:39 left in the 2nd period and the Rangers up 3-1. The next time they were put on the ice there was 33 seconds left in the period and the Rangers were down 4-3.

They had already scored a goal and are the best defensive line, and the coach trusted the veterans over them when the game was falling apart.

Who needs to be fired for this abomination of a season? Coach, GM, or both?

 

[krup]

Who needs to be fired for this abomination of a season? Coach, GM, or both?

What has happened this year is exactly what Preds and Caps fans said would happen around Laviolette’s 3rd year. In neither of those cases did he turn things around once they started to decline.

I have had a bad attitude about Drury since the Buchnevich trade, even though I know that might not have been all his call. The problem with just replacing a GM is that I don’t even know who is making the decisions above that level for the Rangers at this point.

 

[zappaa]

Luckily, I was unable to watch today’s game, but I saw an amazing stat that shows all of our complaining about the soft veterans is a waste of time. Nothing is going to change with the people running the Rangers.

The Chytil-Kakko-Cuylle line left the ice with 6:39 left in the 2nd period and the Rangers up 3-1. The next time they were put on the ice there was 33 seconds left in the period and the Rangers were down 4-3.

They had already scored a goal and are the best defensive line, and the coach trusted the veterans over them when the game was falling apart.

In this modern era, the GM (Drury) has complete control over ice time if he wants it.

 

[krup]

In this modern era, the GM (Drury) has complete control over ice time if he wants it.

If they got rid of Drury, who at this point are the people making a decision on a replacement?

 

[zappaa]

If they got rid of Drury, who at this point are the people making a decision on a replacement?

Glen Sather will still have the most influential impact on ownership