OT: Another nice game by Simpson

[G- RUnit]

In 24 minutes:
15 points, 6-6 from the line, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and 1 block.

What might have been, what could have been, what should have been.

 

[RutgersChow]

In 24 minutes:
15 points, 6-6 from the line, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and 1 block.

What might have been, what could have been, what should have been.

Had a place on this team. Outside of shooting the three, he pretty much did everything else well. With another year's experience he'd be giving us more now than either JMike or JWilliams.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

St joes better not make the tournament. I thought having to watch Trump win was bad….





I am actually rooting for Simpson and happy for The unit that Simpson is having success

 

[G- RUnit]

Had a place on this team. Outside of shooting the three, he pretty much did everything else well. With another year's experience he'd be giving us more than JMike or JWilliams.

And 4th year starting senior next year.
Love Pike but really bad unfortunate move.
More upside over some others he kept.
Foul shooting in B1G was enough to keep him around. Will never understand and never really fully explained.

 

[G- RUnit]

St joes better not make the tournament. I thought having to watch Trump win was bad….





I am actually rooting for Simpson and happy for The unit that Simpson is having success

Can we get him back next year? ;-)

 

[Joey Bags]

In 24 minutes:
15 points, 6-6 from the line, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and 1 block.

What might have been, what could have been, what should have been.

To be fair, the Big 10 is a far more physical conference than the A10. Simpson was getting bullied big time in our league. He’d routinely get jellied to a pulp while driving to the rim. But he’s got a nice gig going for him right now.

 

[G- RUnit]

To be fair, the Big 10 is a far more physical conference than the A10. Simpson was getting bullied big time in our league. He’d routinely get jellied to a pulp while driving to the rim. But he’s got a nice gig going for him right now.

His speed made up for any bullying.
Can’t teach speed.
Foul Shooting was as good as anybody in B1G. Steals too, Decent assists ratio.
Good ball handling too. Shame admittedly shot was off. Should have been brought back.

 

[RutgersChow]

And 4th year starting senior next year.
Love Pike but really bad unfortunate move.
More upside over some others he kept.
Foul shooting in B1G was enough to keep him around. Will never understand and never really fully explained.

I don't think Simpson was pushed out.

 

[G- RUnit]

I don't think Simpson was pushed out.

I don’t think he was encouraged to stay.

Gotta believe if coming off the bench at St. Joes would have been comfortable coming off bench at RU.

If JMike now starting at RU, why not Simpson?

However you want to spin it.

If Simpson had JMikes performance this year he’d be killed.

 

[darkcheck]

In 24 minutes:
15 points, 6-6 from the line, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and 1 block.

What might have been, what could have been, what should have been.

So many recruiting and development misses the last 4 years. You’d think after almost making the Sweet 16 in 2021 we’d have been built into a perennial ranked team, or at least one that receives votes. Especially with two lottery picks this year. Instead we struggle after so many misses in team building.

 

[AshCatchEm]

St joes better not make the tournament. I thought having to watch Trump win was bad….





I am actually rooting for Simpson and happy for The unit that Simpson is having success

Oh boo hoo hoo. Now I have to watch as we stop letting drug mules and young males/other countries criminals of fighting age cross the border by the thousands, stop sending our money to any people that want it except our own, and watch as our country horrifically turns to a focus on domestic energy production again while we fire government officials who sit around jerking each other off all day and collecting a paycheck while real people like myself actually work hard for a living. Woe is me, the absolute horror.

I knew I didn't like you for a reason

 

[80RU]

Had a place on this team. Outside of shooting the three, he pretty much did everything else well. With another year's experience he'd be giving us more now than either JMike or JWilliams.

No – – he had a terrible time finishing around the basket when he got in the lane. 28% on threes and only 31% on twos.

 

[RutgersChow]

No – – he had a terrible time finishing around the basket when he got in the lane. 28% on threes and only 31% on twos.

I forgot how good JMike was shooting threes and finishing around the basket.

 

[80RU]

I forgot how good JMike was shooting threes and finishing around the basket.

??? — you said “Outside of shooting the three, he [Simpson] pretty much did everything else well.” I said that’s not true because he only shot 31% on two point shots.

 

[RutgersChow]

??? — you said “Outside of shooting the three, he [Simpson] pretty much did everything else well.” I said that’s not true because he only shot 31% on two point shots.

OK, outside of shooting overall, he does everything else better.

 

[lion1983]

I don't think Simpson was pushed out.

This.

FYI, Simpson is either starting or playing starters minutes for St. Joe's.

He was probably told his role was as a reserve PG behind Harper. And chose to drop a level and get starters minutes.

I'm glad he's doing well and wish him well. But he was awful last season. Literally the worst FG % shooter in the country... I mean he ranked dead last in FG % amongst ALL players with a minimum usage rate. But made up for awful shooting % with a high volume of shots, lol!

 

[Arizona Knight]

Derek Simpson couldn’t shoot. We have enough of those guards.

 

[ScarletDave]

Simpson always was pouty and held his head down low. He would have been miserable here probably getting benched the entire second half most games. Would have been bad for the lockerroom. PJ Hayes instead who doesnt get a ton of minutes, instead is always the first one up off the bench after a timeout high fiving our guys and celebrating. Oh and also, shoots 3s better than Simpson ever dreamed of

 

[Yeah Baby]

I don’t think he was encouraged to stay.

Gotta believe if coming off the bench at St. Joes would have been comfortable coming off bench at RU.

If JMike now starting at RU, why not Simpson?

However you want to spin it.

If Simpson had JMikes performance this year he’d be killed.

Simpson was killed all last year by our mostly negative fan base. Nobody is safe in these boards.

Happy he's doing well at St joe's

 

[seansherm]

He was also a freshman and sophomore playing too much too soon. The 2nd half of last year is the first time we should have been seeing much of him.

 

[RUInsanity]

Is the objective here to praise Simpson and bash Pike by only showing the positive data?

Simpson played 26 mpg for RU last season. He is playing over 31 mpg for St Joe's. Would he have wanted to stay and take JMike's role at 14.5mpg and essentially as a defensive specialist?

St Joe's played American last night in a laugher win and Simpson did well. However his season has been both up and down in various games. For instance against Texas Tech he was 0-6 from the field (he did have 5 assists). Against Texas he was 2-6 including 0-3 from 3pt range.

Simpson was likely given the talk by Pike about a reduced role from last season. This would include taking the ball out of his hands as lead guard and giving it to Harper. Still, he could have stayed ..... but if he did it would not be instead of JMike or JWill....that is the wrong comparison. Both of those guys were staying with RU and agreed to a lesser / supporting role this season. He likely would be here instead of Derkack. It's an interesting comparison but note that Jordan is asked to play bigger/longer opponents on D.

 

[fluoxetine]

Not really OT if you're going to make it about our team.. I was going to just say "good for him" but..

Woo hoo he had a nice game (and it was a nice game) against American, a deep Q4 type of opponent. He's not doing anything special over there and is not a Big Ten starter. Would he be useful as a role player this year? Yes, but clearly that's not what he wanted to do with his career.

 

[bac2therac]

against American...bahahahaha

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Stats without mentioning who the opponent was is one way to make someone's argument look really good....vs judging JMike against Seton Hall (not good this year) and Penn State, Texas A&M, Alabama or Notre Dame.

It doesn't mean that Simpson isn't improved from 1 year to the next, but we are seeing a better version of Simpson in JWill, learning how to function and be effective, when he is not on the ball most of the possessions, because we have JMike on a handful of possessions and obviously Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey or Jordan Derkack, who can playmake.

Simpson and JMike are essentially the same player and if I let JMike play against a declining Nova program or American (who Simpson played last night) I'm fairly certain JMike could have the same caliber of game.

I can only explain so many times, how difficult the jump is from the Ivy League to the B1G, or the Atlantic 10 to the B1G, unless you are a 1st team all conference caliber player. Arguing that Simpson is slightly better than JMike is fine, but he's still not JWill on a defensive end or playmaking end either.....and is nowhere near the defender that Derkack is.

I'm fairly certain Simpsons numbers and productivity against WAY better competition than Nova or American, would not be as stellar. To try and say otherwise is just false.....you only pick up a better FT shooter, and that's about it.

 

[seansherm]

Stats without mentioning who the opponent was is one way to make someone's argument look really good....vs judging JMike against Seton Hall (not good this year) and Penn State, Texas A&M, Alabama or Notre Dame.

It doesn't mean that Simpson isn't improved from 1 year to the next, but we are seeing a better version of Simpson in JWill, learning how to function and be effective, when he is not on the ball most of the possessions, because we have JMike on a handful of possessions and obviously Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey or Jordan Derkack, who can playmake.

Simpson and JMike are essentially the same player and if I let JMike play against a declining Nova program or American (who Simpson played last night) I'm fairly certain JMike could have the same caliber of game.

I can only explain so many times, how difficult the jump is from the Ivy League to the B1G, or the Atlantic 10 to the B1G, unless you are a 1st team all conference caliber player. Arguing that Simpson is slightly better than JMike is fine, but he's still not JWill on a defensive end or playmaking end either.....and is nowhere near the defender that Derkack is.

I'm fairly certain Simpsons numbers and productivity against WAY better competition than Nova or American, would not be as stellar. To try and say otherwise is just false.....you only pick up a better FT shooter, and that's about it.

Simpson's on ball defense is better than Derkack, he's just smaller

 

[bac2therac]

Ill play

Simpson is a better defender than J Mike by far and can make free throws....i didnt think he would help the team and needed to go but I didnt know that Pike was going to do this poorly in the portal constructing a supporting cast and J Mike was going to be a zero this year. So yes in retrospect I would take Derek...however only on the condition he didnt shoot the ball which Im not sure he would accept that role

 

[FAT MOON]

And 4th year starting senior next year.
Love Pike but really bad unfortunate move.
More upside over some others he kept.
Foul shooting in B1G was enough to keep him around. Will never understand and never really fully explained.

I would bet a good amount of money they only wanted to keep one of JMike or Derek and JMike is Ace's boy so they leaned that way. Price you pay to have 5 stars and lottery picks on your team. No idea if Derek was shown the door or just not prioritized (would guess the latter).

Happy for him though. St. Joes is a really good spot for him as a South Jersey boy.

 

[seansherm]

Ill play

Simpson is a better defender than J Mike by far and can make free throws....i didnt think he would help the team and needed to go but I didnt know that Pike was going to do this poorly in the portal constructing a supporting cast and J Mike was going to be a zero this year. So yes in retrospect I would take Derek...however only on the condition he didnt shoot the ball which Im not sure he would accept that role

3 and D! He's shooting 35% from three this year now, 3.6 attempts per. Just don't let him closer to the rim.

 

[NickRU714]

Personally, I wanted to upgrade from BOTH Simpson and Davis.
Didn't have a preference of one over the other staying. Just along as they didn't really play much.

 

[G- RUnit]

Simpson did take over and win games or make them close over two years including Maryland, Indiana, PSU and OSU and hit a big buzzer beater to avoid an embarrassing loss for the ages. JMike has not. Simpson averaged more rebounds, had more steals, handled the ball better and his foul shooting was among the best in the B1G. The idea that he couldn’t play in the B1G is just a farce as is the idea that JMike brought the same to the table.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

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I was at this game....Oi!

Didn't know Derek has deagon wings

Game 3 UMass Lowell: Challenges and a Derek grows his dragon wings

Ah so finally after all the good feels and rah rahs of blowout wins where its always tough to gauge what is going today provided some tests, raised some questions and showed a couple satisfying revelations. No one could expect Rutgers to win by 20 plus every night they play a supposed cupcake...

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@bac2therac

 

[Arizona Knight]

Simpson did take over and win games or make them close over two years including Maryland, Indiana, PSU and OSU and hit a big buzzer beater to avoid an embarrassing loss for the ages. JMike has not. Simpson averaged more rebounds, had more steals, handled the ball better and his foul shooting was among the best in the B1G. The idea that he couldn’t play in the B1G is just a farce as is the idea that JMike brought the same to the table.

If your case for Simpson is that he is better than JMike, then I guess you win? Is that really the benchmark for deciding whether someone is a value add on a B1G roster? Maybe the debate is about something else and I’m missing it.

 

[RUChoppin]

I was one who was disappointed Simpson left, mainly because of his defense and because I wanted more culture carry-over from year to year, and I thought he could help bring the younger guys along.

That said, his role would have pretty significantly changed, and I don't think he saw himself as a 7-8th man complementary piece playing 12-15 min/game with a dramatic reduction in shot attempts. It was pretty clear by the time he made his decision, that our starting guards would be Harper/Williams and that Davis would be staying to play with Bailey.

At the time he entered the portal on 3/18, Mag and Griffiths were also still on the team (they didn't enter the portal until 3/20 and 3/28). Woolfolk entered the portal the same day, and the only guy who jumped faster was Chol on 3/15. It was pretty clear Simpson wasn't looking to take a reduced role as a rising junior and was looking to transfer down somewhere he could have higher usage.

I'm glad he found a spot. On a "per 40 min" basis, he's contributing about the same to St. Joe's as he did for Rutgers last year, but more efficiently (though it's been against a far easier schedule). No ill will toward Simpson from my end. Would have loved to have him as a 10-15 min guy for his defense and FT shooting (and some opportunistic buckets on limited shots), but I doubt he'd have been happy in that role.

Had he stayed, though, it would have most likely been with Acuff's schollie not Davis'.

 

[G- RUnit]

If your case for Simpson is that he is better than JMike, then I guess you win? Is that really the benchmark for deciding whether someone is a value add on a B1G roster? Maybe the debate is about something else and I’m missing it.

Debate has many facets.
Some of it is who is better.
Some is a local NJ player.
Some is who would you have wanted next year when Dylan and Ace are gone.
Some is treatment by fans. JMike is treated like a defensive God, Simpson was driven outta town. Can make a strong argument Simpson brings more to the table.
Some is wondering if we could have taken advantage of excellent free throw shooting. Among best in B1G. JMike misses at end of SHU could have cost us the game.
Fair and reasonable topics for an RU basketball board?
Purposely placed it OT for those who don’t care to read it.

 

[winfield102]

I wanted Simpson gone because I had zero faith that Pike would redefine Derek's role, assuming that Derek would accept the reduced role. Those weak drives and mid range misfires had to be COMPLETELY eliminated.

Clearly has worked out for Derek. He's getting 30 minutes a night and they let him take the same crappy shots. It just looks like he has improved his 3 point shooting.

Wouldn't shock me if he was a 40% 3 point shooter (spot up 3's) next year in the A10. The ability is there.

 

[fluoxetine]

JMike is treated like a defensive God, Simpson was driven outta town.

This is something that happened only in your mind.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Debate has many facets.
Some of it is who is better.
Some is a local NJ player.
Some is who would you have wanted next year when Dylan and Ace are gone.
Some is treatment by fans. JMike is treated like a defensive God, Simpson was driven outta town. Can make a strong argument Simpson brings more to the table.
Some is wondering if we could have taken advantage of excellent free throw shooting. Among best in B1G. JMike misses at end of SHU could have cost us the game.
Fair and reasonable topics for an RU basketball board?
Purposely placed it OT for those who don’t care to read it.

You completely ignore the most important item I have brought up.....he was not respected and liked by teammates.

 

[RUGiddy777]

Oh boo hoo hoo. Now I have to watch as we stop letting drug mules and young males/other countries criminals of fighting age cross the border by the thousands, stop sending our money to any people that want it except our own, and watch as our country horrifically turns to a focus on domestic energy production again while we fire government officials who sit around jerking each other off all day and collecting a paycheck while real people like myself actually work hard for a living. Woe is me, the absolute horror.

I knew I didn't like you for a reason

 

[G- RUnit]

I was one who was disappointed Simpson left, mainly because of his defense and because I wanted more culture carry-over from year to year, and I thought he could help bring the younger guys along.

That said, his role would have pretty significantly changed, and I don't think he saw himself as a 7-8th man complementary piece playing 12-15 min/game with a dramatic reduction in shot attempts. It was pretty clear by the time he made his decision, that our starting guards would be Harper/Williams and that Davis would be staying to play with Bailey.

At the time he entered the portal on 3/18, Mag and Griffiths were also still on the team (they didn't enter the portal until 3/20 and 3/28). Woolfolk entered the portal the same day, and the only guy who jumped faster was Chol on 3/15. It was pretty clear Simpson wasn't looking to take a reduced role as a rising junior and was looking to transfer down somewhere he could have higher usage.

I'm glad he found a spot. On a "per 40 min" basis, he's contributing about the same to St. Joe's as he did for Rutgers last year, but more efficiently (though it's been against a far easier schedule). No ill will toward Simpson from my end. Would have loved to have him as a 10-15 min guy for his defense and FT shooting (and some opportunistic buckets on limited shots), but I doubt he'd have been happy in that role.

Had he stayed, though, it would have most likely been with Acuff's schollie not Davis'.

Except not starting at St.Joes either until last game. Accepted lesser role there? Makes one wonder what was actually said.
St. Joes still pretty good D1 basketball. A10 not bad. Not like his replacements had great numbers vrs Monmouth, Merrimack, Wagner, St. Pete’s and Kennesaw.

Everything including scholarships is conjecture and didn’t we not use one schollie?

 

[G- RUnit]

You completely ignore the most important item I have brought up.....he was not respected and liked by teammates.

You keep saying that without any support. That’s not fair. Who exactly?
Teammates who hate effort, hustle and defense?

And even sillier, it’s basically a whole new team this year. One player back from last year, JMike. JWill was only here for two months and Ogbole was hurt.

And Seems to me Mags giving up on the season and pouting Gavin were the problem children. They both fled rather than forced out. I have shown some support for my conclusion. Where’s yours?

Team chemistry comment grossly unfair and nothing to support it against Simpson.