OT: Bullying In Schools

[MADHAT1]

Tell that to the victims of senseless crimes and the George Soros appointed prosecutors . You say immigrants …what is your understanding of immigrants. I have two…legal , vetted ,invited ( by US) and follow the process. Millions upon millions have done it that way. Then we have the walk across, swim across, hide in truck groups disappearing into any US city they have connection too. I will agree that some are good people but there are many others not so good. To think otherwise is foolish. Immigrants have gone through bullying since the 1900’s ask the Irish, Germans, Italians , Japanese. Guess what …they fought back and succeeded …I would imagine they came through several areas and not the southern borders of the USA. Study the open border policy in Europe… there are no open borders any longer that I know of In Eastern Europe . Not many countries allow free open walk across to anyone without proper documentation. There soon will be a policy change to re institute that southern border and you possibly know about that already. Someone has no choice but to make it secure.

bullying been going on for centuries and no group , except if there are multiple people in a group ,
can be called responsible, historicity or recent, and using ethnic groups as an example doesn't explain bullying.
Bullying occurs when one person or a group ( from any ethnic background or a mixture in group of bullies, go after someone they consider weaker in order to feel more powerful then others around them.
Social media sometimes is a driving factor in bullying because the bullies want the world to see how big and bad they are..
There is no excuse for bullying and past history doesn't excuse it being part of the present

Being a political bully happens when someone decides their political agenda will be put into discussions that are not of a political nature, but personal issues that affect the quality of like people want to have for themselves & loved ones

 

[DC8690]

I feel horrible for your niece and hope that she fully recovers mentally and physically. You said that there is still a video of this incident still on the internet, I would think that given your nieces age, having a naked image of her is child pornography and the server that it’s still being stored on is liable for this. Any lawyers here?

 

[yesrutgers01]

I feel horrible for your niece and hope that she fully recovers mentally and physically. You said that there is still a video of this incident still on the internet, I would think that given your nieces age, having a naked image of her is child pornography and the server that it’s still being stored on is liable for this. Any lawyers here?

I am not sure if it may still be on the internet but these kids at Madison found it. It is possible that maybe one of them knows someone from Lodi who has it. Not sure but it got distributed throughout the school.

The shame is that she even called my wife crying because of it but said she would be ok and was going to take a shower and do homework until her mom got back home.
My wife spent almost an hour on the phone with her telling her to be strong and that what happened was the past and there was nothing to be ashamed of. Thought it had calmed our niece down. After they talked, my wife tried mult times to reach her Mom.

 

[DC8690]

My heart breaks for her and your family.

 

[RUAldo]

I haven’t read the entire thread but I hope and pray for healing. And, unfortunately, so many kids are unbelievable a-holes now, especially in middle school.

 

[RUBOB72]

NONE. OF. THIS. HAS. TO. DO. WITH. BULLYING.

Start your own thread on immigration on the current events board if that's what you want to talk about. This thread is about bullying, stop trying to hijack it.

Kid you are dense . It has everything to do with it . I just said immigrants have been bullied for years .Every ethnic group has. Is that good ? No it’s not. I didn’t claim immigrants were the problems for bullying . But most of the bulling falls to parental guidance before and after school. Regulate those tech companies and you’ll solve a large part of the problem.Take the cell phones away until the kid proves they are responsible. I see too many under age 14 with cell phones. In fact I ‘m in favor of no cell phones until age 18 in high school. I bet you agree with that ….Right…You by the way are like a stalker which is actually funny. Simple answer if you don’t like the post or the opinion don’t click on it. I don’t really care what your opinion is on anything. It’s only an opinion . After what I have witnessed in my life the idea that I’m changing my opinion for you or any others here is not happening. Part of the reason for why this jollying is occurring more and more lies in our political theater. Our schools also are negligent in how bullying is treated most try to shy away from it. That’s not guessing either it is factual. Nobody in todays crazy world of Arthur Brown wants to rock the boat there is to much chance the system and staff could be sued .

 

[RU85inFla]

Kid you are dense . It has everything to do with it . I just said immigrants have been bullied for years .Every ethnic group has. Is that good ? No it’s not. I didn’t claim immigrants were the problems for bullying . But most of the bulling falls to parental guidance before and after school. Regulate those tech companies and you’ll solve a large part of the problem.Take the cell phones away until the kid proves they are responsible. I see too many under age 14 with cell phones. In fact I ‘m in favor of no cell phones until age 18 in high school. I bet you agree with that ….Right…You by the way are like a stalker which is actually funny. Simple answer if you don’t like the post or the opinion don’t click on it. I don’t really care what your opinion is on anything. It’s only an opinion . After what I have witnessed in my life the idea that I’m changing my opinion for you or any others here is not happening. Part of the reason for why this jollying is occurring more and more lies in our political theater. Our schools also are negligent in how bullying is treated most try to shy away from it. That’s not guessing either it is factual. Nobody in todays crazy world of Arthur Brown wants to rock the boat there is to much chance the system and staff could be sued .

You’ve been asked to move your political BS. Please do. Not relevant here.

@yesrutgers01 hope you niece can find sanity in this world and heal from this horrible experience. Please don’t ever stop helping her.

 

[robcac26]

Kid you are dense . It has everything to do with it . I just said immigrants have been bullied for years .Every ethnic group has. Is that good ? No it’s not. I didn’t claim immigrants were the problems for bullying . But most of the bulling falls to parental guidance before and after school. Regulate those tech companies and you’ll solve a large part of the problem.Take the cell phones away until the kid proves they are responsible. I see too many under age 14 with cell phones. In fact I ‘m in favor of no cell phones until age 18 in high school. I bet you agree with that ….Right…You by the way are like a stalker which is actually funny. Simple answer if you don’t like the post or the opinion don’t click on it. I don’t really care what your opinion is on anything. It’s only an opinion . After what I have witnessed in my life the idea that I’m changing my opinion for you or any others here is not happening. Part of the reason for why this jollying is occurring more and more lies in our political theater. Our schools also are negligent in how bullying is treated most try to shy away from it. That’s not guessing either it is factual. Nobody in todays crazy world of Arthur Brown wants to rock the boat there is to much chance the system and staff could be sued .

First off, I'm not a kid, and secondly, you are proving to be incapable of conveying a rational argument--in one line you say immigration has everything to do with bullying, and in the next you say you didn't claim immigrants were the problem. No I do not agree with no cell phones until you're 18 because it's not like when we grew up and you could always find a payphone if you needed to call your parents to pick you up, and I moved out and went to college when I was 17. I don't care if you change your opinion, I (and multiple others) just want you to stop polluting this thread, and take your rants to the current events board where they belong. I don't know why you have such a hard time following this rule, or why the mods never seem to enforce it. This is my last time responding to you in the hopes that if I stop giving you posts to reply to, maybe you will finally listen to all of us and go away.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Thank you for sharing and I am moved by what happened to your niece. Best wishes to you and your family.

 

[Ray6232010]

Just needed to put this out there. If you are a parent and have school aged children. Make sure to talk to them and really listen. Also- if your kid is the popular kid, top athlete and or well respected in their school. Talk to them about standing up for kids that they see going through it. Even if it is just checking to see if they are ok or a smile every once in a while.
We are so happy that our kids took this approach- even our oldest that played here and was the biggest, most out spoken , most popular kid in his school. He was also always a ball buster to his friends and had no problem speaking his mind to teachers- one thing that never happened- no one in that school would bully a kid anywhere near him. Many of his friends that also came to the house where the outcasts as well.

I post this as my niece, who is 13 y/o just tried and almost successfully to commit suicide yesterday. She and her mom recently moved from Lodi to Madison and she is in a new school. LAst year a gang of over 10 girls jumped her at the Garden State Mall, beat her unconscious, kicked her in the head numerous times and stripped her clothes off in the middle of the mall and filmed it and distributed it. Those girls were all arrested but a couple of days ago- someone found this video and shared it around her new school and they started making fun of seeing her nude body.
She is recovering today after a very rough night. She was found unresponsive, pale and purple lips by her mother who made have found her just in time.

So teach your kids and talk to them. Listen to them as well.

I just had to share as this is very important. Your child could be hiding depression or bullying or your child could be that person that could make a difference in someone's life.

Hope everything works out for you and your family.🙏

 

[yesrutgers01]

Kid you are dense . It has everything to do with it . I just said immigrants have been bullied for years .Every ethnic group has. Is that good ? No it’s not. I didn’t claim immigrants were the problems for bullying . But most of the bulling falls to parental guidance before and after school. Regulate those tech companies and you’ll solve a large part of the problem.Take the cell phones away until the kid proves they are responsible. I see too many under age 14 with cell phones. In fact I ‘m in favor of no cell phones until age 18 in high school. I bet you agree with that ….Right…You by the way are like a stalker which is actually funny. Simple answer if you don’t like the post or the opinion don’t click on it. I don’t really care what your opinion is on anything. It’s only an opinion . After what I have witnessed in my life the idea that I’m changing my opinion for you or any others here is not happening. Part of the reason for why this jollying is occurring more and more lies in our political theater. Our schools also are negligent in how bullying is treated most try to shy away from it. That’s not guessing either it is factual. Nobody in todays crazy world of Arthur Brown wants to rock the boat there is to much chance the system and staff could be sued .

Again, please not here. Start a new thread. This is just a message to parents out there.

First off, I'm not a kid, and secondly, you are proving to be incapable of conveying a rational argument--in one line you say immigration has everything to do with bullying, and in the next you say you didn't claim immigrants were the problem. No I do not agree with no cell phones until you're 18 because it's not like when we grew up and you could always find a payphone if you needed to call your parents to pick you up, and I moved out and went to college when I was 17. I don't care if you change your opinion, I (and multiple others) just want you to stop polluting this thread, and take your rants to the current events board where they belong. I don't know why you have such a hard time following this rule, or why the mods never seem to enforce it. This is my last time responding to you in the hopes that if I stop giving you posts to reply to, maybe you will finally listen to all of us and go away.

please stop replying. Half the thread is now the two of you going back and forth.

Thank you both

 

[Saint Puppy]

Just needed to put this out there. If you are a parent and have school aged children. Make sure to talk to them and really listen. Also- if your kid is the popular kid, top athlete and or well respected in their school. Talk to them about standing up for kids that they see going through it. Even if it is just checking to see if they are ok or a smile every once in a while.
We are so happy that our kids took this approach- even our oldest that played here and was the biggest, most out spoken , most popular kid in his school. He was also always a ball buster to his friends and had no problem speaking his mind to teachers- one thing that never happened- no one in that school would bully a kid anywhere near him. Many of his friends that also came to the house where the outcasts as well.

I post this as my niece, who is 13 y/o just tried and almost successfully to commit suicide yesterday. She and her mom recently moved from Lodi to Madison and she is in a new school. LAst year a gang of over 10 girls jumped her at the Garden State Mall, beat her unconscious, kicked her in the head numerous times and stripped her clothes off in the middle of the mall and filmed it and distributed it. Those girls were all arrested but a couple of days ago- someone found this video and shared it around her new school and they started making fun of seeing her nude body.
She is recovering today after a very rough night. She was found unresponsive, pale and purple lips by her mother who made have found her just in time.

So teach your kids and talk to them. Listen to them as well.

I just had to share as this is very important. Your child could be hiding depression or bullying or your child could be that person that could make a difference in someone's life.

This is horrible - I am so sorry that this happened to your niece, and can't imagine what you and your family must be feeling. I hope her mom wakes up because her daughter desperately needs to be talking to a private professional (not just one from the school). Despite what your niece may be saying - her actions just spoke volumes! A really great and powerful documentary to watch about two girls being sexually assaulted by their classmates is Audrie & Daisy which is on Nextflix. I believe that unfortunately both ended up committing suicide

Bullying definitely stills go on in schools today - I also agree with what someone who said earlier - social media has put bullying and mental health issues on steroids. However schools have started to take a stance against it (vs a generation or two ago) and have policies in place to deal with it. That being said the school's stance is always going to be to CYA and avoid lawsuits at all costs, which is why I wouldn't be so crazy about getting a school psychologist - at the end of the day they represent the school's best interest.

The best thing you said yesrutgers01 is talk to your kids and LISTEN. There is nothing more important - it may be tougher as they get older because they are more hesitant to share any aspect of their life with their parents (because how could we possibly understand what it's like to be a teenager - lol).

Anyway prayers and well wishes going out to you and your family - REALLY hope the mom gets her daughter the help she needs.

 

[yesrutgers01]

This is horrible - I am so sorry that this happened to your niece, and can't imagine what you and your family must be feeling. I hope her mom wakes up because her daughter desperately needs to be talking to a private professional (not just one from the school). Despite what your niece may be saying - her actions just spoke volumes! A really great and powerful documentary to watch about two girls being sexually assaulted by their classmates is Audrie & Daisy which is on Nextflix. I believe that unfortunately both ended up committing suicide

Bullying definitely stills go on in schools today - I also agree with what someone who said earlier - social media has put bullying and mental health issues on steroids. However schools have started to take a stance against it (vs a generation or two ago) and have policies in place to deal with it. That being said the school's stance is always going to be to CYA and avoid lawsuits at all costs, which is why I wouldn't be so crazy about getting a school psychologist - at the end of the day they represent the school's best interest.

The best thing you said yesrutgers01 is talk to your kids and LISTEN. There is nothing more important - it may be tougher as they get older because they are more hesitant to share any aspect of their life with their parents (because how could we possibly understand what it's like to be a teenager - lol).

Anyway prayers and well wishes going out to you and your family - REALLY hope the mom gets her daughter the help she needs.

Thank you and the bolded part is exactly the primary message I am doing my best to share. It is so important.
The amazing thing is that in this case, our niece is willing to share almost anything with my wife. But her mother quite often blocks her from talking to anyone at all.
My wife did get a call yesterday from our Niece and they had another long talk that included laughter as well as a lot of crying. She always knows she can reach out to us.

The funny thing with our family as well. My wife was a very tough mother- but always with love and in many cases fear. Tough enough to walk onto a HS football field in the middle of a game and pull kevin out of the game to go home and clean his room that he promised to do before heading out to the game. But also running onto the same field when he was hurt regardless if the Coach was trying to get her not to and the team was penalized 15 yards for it. lol
To this day- Kevin will share EVERYTHING with her. It can be disturbing at time hahahaha but also just a beautiful thing as well. She is always the first person he calls about anything.
Just talk and listen to your kids. Even if they tell you things you may not want to hear or believe. Let them know you hear them

 

[robcac26]

please stop replying. Half the thread is now the two of you going back and forth.

I will, sorry for getting sucked in. I hope things get better for your niece. It may seem like an eternity for her, but in four or five years, she probably won't have to see these jerks from her school ever again.

 

[Big East Beast]

This is such a terrible story. Bullying happens in all communities and can be both psychological as well as physical. It’s a very challenging time for both parents & children.

Given the shocking rates of depression and substance abuse in teens, most parents would benefit from learning more about what “at risk” children and families are up against and talk openly about these topics.

It may be friends, colleague or family member and kids don’t have perspective to recognize when “enough is enough” or adults need to step in.

American Foundation for Suicide Prevention

 

[yesrutgers01]

This is such a terrible story. Bullying happens in all communities and can be both psychological as well as physical. It’s a very challenging time for both parents & children.

Given the shocking rates of depression and substance abuse in teens, most parents would benefit from learning more about what “at risk” children and families are up against and talk openly about these topics.

It may be friends, colleague or family member and kids don’t have perspective to recognize when “enough is enough” or adults need to step in.

American Foundation for Suicide Prevention

Welll said!

 

[yesrutgers01]

BTW @Richard Schnyderite kudos to the mods for unlocking- thank you

 

[Scarlet1984]

I do think most schools have very bullsh*t bullying prevention procedures.

It's ok to completely ignore psychological bullying - because it's harder to prove - eventhough it's obvious when it's going on. But God forbid someone hits someone (even in response to actual bullying). It's a full suspension, in most cases.

One time my son (who was a very nice kid) was probably in sixth or seventh grade and this kid was just "on him". A lot of ongoing pushing and teasing. He wasn't comfortable reporting it. I said "Ok, punch him in the face the next time it happens." He did. They fought. A teacher broke it up. I heard about it from my son, so I called the vice principal proactively and made sure he got he full context. Nothing happened to my son. I forget if the other kid got in trouble but that was the end of that.

There's no easy solution even for the more traditional (one kid picking on another) bullying.
.

 

[rutgersdave]

I do think most schools have very bullsh*t bullying prevention procedures.

It's ok to completely ignore psychological bullying - because it's harder to prove - eventhough it's obvious when it's going on. But God forbid someone hits someone (even in response to actual bullying). It's a full suspension, in most cases.

One time my son (who was a very nice kid) was probably in sixth or seventh grade and this kid was just "on him". A lot of ongoing pushing and teasing. He wasn't comfortable reporting it. I said "Ok, punch him in the face the next time it happens." He did. They fought. A teacher broke it up. I heard about it from my son, so I called the vice principal proactively and made sure he got he full context. Nothing happened to my son. I forget if the other kid got in trouble but that was the end of that.

There's no easy solution even for the more traditional (one kid picking on another) bullying.
.

Sounds like my experience being bullied. I allowed it for about 2 years when I decided to punch the kid in the mouth. I actually had to have two separate incidents where I punched the kid( two different kids) since no one saw the first incident. The second time, the hallway was filled with students when we were fighting. The teacher who broke it up was my English teacher and he told us both that our parents needed to come in. The other kid didn’t want to pursue it and I was happy. No one ever bullied me again.

I moved from a different town which is probably a problem for 50% of the kids moving to a new school. It happens in upper middle class towns.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Far be it from me to defend RUBOB72 (because I recall his complaint about Rutgers basketball way back when was that he got mocked by UCONN fans in courthouses in CT.. ie.. Rutgers basketball was crimping his style)... but in this case he has a point and is NOT what the people attacking him insist it is. He is saying they are victims.. like this example. Do they also "bully".. sure. All groups do... maybe not Quakers.. but even the Amish "shun".

That's what happens with bullying, right? Generally larger groups of US vs he/she/them. Have numbers and attack. It crosses every kind of group you can imagine. And it is disgusting every time you see it. Part of the appeal to the people who give the bullies power is wanting to not be a victim of it. That's what they count on.. the bullies.. every time they victimize it is like a recruiting video.. join us or die.

It needs to be stopped on every level. I do think it is maybe worse now than ever because of social media. In decades past you had to be in the same room or area with the bullies to have some negative interaction. Now they can mock and ridicule from afar. But bullying was always tolerated in schools... lets not pretend that is new.

I think it will get worse. Single child homes, two working parents, remote learning at an early age... trophies for everyone.. everyone is a winner.. hell.. we take more effort to socialize dogs than we do children. Is gang membership up? Have no idea.. but I'd guess yes. Is this related to a rise in bullying? Not directly but I'd say it follows the same trend. A bully and his posse is basically an informal gang.

 

[ImBadRU]

unfortunetly, her mother has been asked to bring her to counseling many times but refuses to do so.
Even today- we were very shocked that they just released our niece without any observation. You would think they would keep her at least 24-48 hours and require counseling before allowing her to leave.

At minimum 72 hours after an attempt

 

[yesrutgers01]

At minimum 72 hours after an attempt

Her Mom told us yesterday that they determined it to just be a single incident that brought on extreme stress. And that her daughter was not in danger of harming herself.
The F-ing system is broke for children.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Sounds like my experience being bullied. I allowed it for about 2 years when I decided to punch the kid in the mouth. I actually had to have two separate incidents where I punched the kid( two different kids) since no one saw the first incident. The second time, the hallway was filled with students when we were fighting. The teacher who broke it up was my English teacher and he told us both that our parents needed to come in. The other kid didn’t want to pursue it and I was happy. No one ever bullied me again.

I moved from a different town which is probably a problem for 50% of the kids moving to a new school. It happens in upper middle class towns.

I grew up under circumstances that most would be bullied. My Mom passed when I was only 10. between 5-6th grades. I had always been a kid that most others liked. But I was young for my grade and small. When Mom died, Dad sort of just let go for a few years and my brothers and I became pretty unkemp- hair halfway down our backs and though we showered every day- we didnt always have shampoo and tooth paste. So we would often have oily hair, and lots of plaque.
To top it- I was also in all advanced classes.
There were a couple of bullies/jock's that seemed to want to try to get me going at times but I was never one to back down(5 brothers and no damn rules around the house) and I( had a mouth and could think on my feet. I remember a few times that these couple of kids would get up in my face only to back down when they didn't see me in fear and when I started making fun of them until everyone else was laughing at them. I still have no idea how I never once got in a fight.
On the other hand- the actual real tough and popular guys all liked me and would be the first to laugh at the "bullies" who would think they could get the best of me.

 

[NorthernKnight]

Thank you and the bolded part is exactly the primary message I am doing my best to share. It is so important.
The amazing thing is that in this case, our niece is willing to share almost anything with my wife. But her mother quite often blocks her from talking to anyone at all.
My wife did get a call yesterday from our Niece and they had another long talk that included laughter as well as a lot of crying. She always knows she can reach out to us.

The funny thing with our family as well. My wife was a very tough mother- but always with love and in many cases fear. Tough enough to walk onto a HS football field in the middle of a game and pull kevin out of the game to go home and clean his room that he promised to do before heading out to the game. But also running onto the same field when he was hurt regardless if the Coach was trying to get her not to and the team was penalized 15 yards for it. lol
To this day- Kevin will share EVERYTHING with her. It can be disturbing at time hahahaha but also just a beautiful thing as well. She is always the first person he calls about anything.
Just talk and listen to your kids. Even if they tell you things you may not want to hear or believe. Let them know you hear them

Yes,
Thank you very much for starting this thread and patiently nurturing it along.

you did this board a service.

Richie. Please pin this thread if “YES” is ok with that.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Just read this post.

Yes - so sorry to hear about your niece and I hope and pray all works out for the best!

Life unfortunately is so difficult and to have it so much more complicated by a physical attack and then social media humiliation is awful to hear

I wish the best for her and your family !

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

Our schools also are negligent in how bullying is treated most try to shy away from it. That’s not guessing either it is factual.

First, my heart breaks for the young lady in the OP. Nobody should have to deal with that crap. Teenage years are hard enough.

Had a bullying episode with my niece many years ago (good ending).
My brother went to see the principal (a guy I went to school with by the way) because she was being harassed every day by 2 brothers (protected class, athletes) and coming home crying.
He was told there wasn't much could be done, can't protect her, kids being kids, blah blah blah. Let them sort it out.
So, my brother laughs and says" I'm not asking for protection. I'm letting you know that she is a black belt and is crying because I told her she's not to use her ability in school and get in trouble. Ill talk to the principal and get it to stop. I'm letting you know right now she has my full permission to beat their asses every day from here out." Suddenly there were all kinds of talks that could be had, warnings, working it out etc. Complete friggin' joke.
Needless to say the harassment miraculously stopped.
Hopefully the young girl in the OP can make some new, real friends to help her though this and realize her whole life is ahead and don't look back. Its really hard to see the long term when you're in the middle of it though.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

It is interesting that the stories of bullies being stopped all seem to come down to at least the ability or willingness to fight back and/or actually fighting back. That's what common knowledge among 2-parent homes would tell you back in the 60s and 70s.

We live in a time when some bullied kids show up at school with firearms and go nuts.

Somehow, this has to stop.

 

[yesrutgers01]

First, my heart breaks for the young lady in the OP. Nobody should have to deal with that crap. Teenage years are hard enough.

Had a bullying episode with my niece many years ago (good ending).
My brother went to see the principal (a guy I went to school with by the way) because she was being harassed every day by 2 brothers (protected class, athletes) and coming home crying.
He was told there wasn't much could be done, can't protect her, kids being kids, blah blah blah. Let them sort it out.
So, my brother laughs and says" I'm not asking for protection. I'm letting you know that she is a black belt and is crying because I told her she's not to use her ability in school and get in trouble. Ill talk to the principal and get it to stop. I'm letting you know right now she has my full permission to beat their asses every day from here out." Suddenly there were all kinds of talks that could be had, warnings, working it out etc. Complete friggin' joke.
Needless to say the harassment miraculously stopped.
Hopefully the young girl in the OP can make some new, real friends to help her though this and realize her whole life is ahead and don't look back. Its really hard to see the long term when you're in the middle of it though.

Laughing, as we have our first Granddaughter- And with her Dad being 6’5 and Mom just over 6 ft- she will not be a tiny petite girl. Most likely, biggest kid in her class through mist of middle school. When this happened with the Niece, we were discussing it and he told us that she will be instructed that on first day of school- anyone says something - she is to just beat them down. I know he was half joking but on the other hand, maybe not. Lol

 

[robcac26]

It is interesting that the stories of bullies being stopped all seem to come down to at least the ability or willingness to fight back and/or actually fighting back. That's what common knowledge among 2-parent homes would tell you back in the 60s and 70s.

We live in a time when some bullied kids show up at school with firearms and go nuts.

Somehow, this has to stop.

That sounds good theoretically and I wish I had at least tried to do the same, but there are many times where that just isn't practical because usually the bullies outnumber the victim. The OP's niece tried to fight back but when you are severely outnumbered, there's only so much you can do.

 

[yesrutgers01]

That sounds good theoretically and I wish I had at least tried to do the same, but there are many times where that just isn't practical because usually the bullies outnumber the victim. The OP's niece tried to fight back but when you are severely outnumbered, there's only so much you can do.

It is two fold with my niece. The fight itself wasn’t bullying, it was a criminal act. What happened at her new school, was the bullying that made her attempt suicide.
the scary thing we just found out is that she had full intent to have it successful and not just a cry out. She told my wife that at the time she was on the phone with my wife, she had already taken the pills. And never said anything and hung up knowing her mom wasn’t due home for well over an hour.

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

That sounds good theoretically and I wish I had at least tried to do the same, but there are many times where that just isn't practical because usually the bullies outnumber the victim. The OP's niece tried to fight back but when you are severely outnumbered, there's only so much you can do.

I hear what you're saying. But, there is a HUGE difference between a bully and a violent gang assault. Nobody here (that I have seen) is equating the two in any way, shape, or form.
The assault is an act that should get the perpetrators a lengthy prison sentance if there is any justice left in this state.

 

[robcac26]

It is two fold with my niece. The fight itself wasn’t bullying, it was a criminal act. What happened at her new school, was the bullying that made her attempt suicide.
the scary thing we just found out is that she had full intent to have it successful and not just a cry out. She told my wife that at the time she was on the phone with my wife, she had already taken the pills. And never said anything and hung up knowing her mom wasn’t due home for well over an hour.

I hear what you're saying. But, there is a HUGE difference between a bully and a violent gang assault. Nobody here (that I have seen) is equating the two in any way, shape, or form.
The assault is an act that should get the perpetrators a lengthy prison sentance if there is any justice left in this state.

That's true, I was just trying to make a point that fighting back often isn't a practical solution, but you're right, this story isn't really a good example of that. The distinction between the two incidents is important.