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not good, not good at all

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Tragic that he died but stop passing off Facebook posts and speculation as fact. We know you’re an antivaxxer but it’s not fact.

“The mother-of-one said: 'In my mind his death was 100 percent linked to the vaccine. There is no other explanation'”

“A spokesman for Pfizer told DailyMail.com the firm was looking into Gregory's death but they did not believe it had any link to the vaccine”
 
I think its pretty important to find out, there have been other severe reactions. Oh I guess it really does not matter, whats one life
 
I think its pretty important to find out, there have been other severe reactions. Oh I guess it really does not matter, whats one life
You're being ridiculous here. You posted something that has zero evidence, so far, that the death was due to the vaccine. It absolutely should be investigated to confirm that or find some connection if one is there. But to pass this off as "fact" because his wife "said so" is simply irresponsible.
 
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Is it?? I mean it wasn't very long ago that both Cuomo and Newsome stated they would not immediately accept or distribute the vaccines in their states without their own people doing their reviews of the drugs. So because of their own politics they more or less stated they were willing to delay vaccine distribution while people died. That's a fact. Those claims by these two inept failed leaders quickly disappeared but they were out in front pounding their desks saying this. Then once the vaccines started to roll out, they couldn't accept them fast enough.

Much like Cuomo back in March continuously pounded his desk during his ridiculous daily press conferences and said the federal government had no right to tell the individual states what to do. Inevitably you reap what you sow.
Your memory sucks. Cuomo was crying for help from the Feds and not getting any. Pandemics are, by definition (in our pandemic playbook) primarily national security threats which require Federally led responses and we got basically nothing from the Trump Administration. We had a testing debacle, a PPE debacle, and a POTUS who kept downplaying the virus and showing no leadership to rally the country around public health interventions. And until today, I never thought I'd see something which made Trump's response to COVID the 2nd worst thing he's done as POTUS.
 
You're being ridiculous here. You posted something that has zero evidence, so far, that the death was due to the vaccine. It absolutely should be investigated to confirm that or find some connection if one is there. But to pass this off as "fact" because his wife "said so" is simply irresponsible.
But ok to be outraged over a nurse saying children are more sick from new variant. Let’s pick and choose which anecdotes and bits of information to propagate.
 
You're being ridiculous here. You posted something that has zero evidence, so far, that the death was due to the vaccine. It absolutely should be investigated to confirm that or find some connection if one is there. But to pass this off as "fact" because his wife "said so" is simply irresponsible.

Who said it was a fact.I posted the facebook post and the article. You are insufferable
 
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I'm waiting on the 2nd generation vaccines, the ones using DNA, shipped at room temperature, and injected right into the t-cells by a small electric shock. It's been a proven delivery method shown so far to have a 60 week antibody with no drop off when used with their MERS vaccine.
 
The story Bac posts does point to that death being associated to the vaccine. Now you have to wonder what else factored in, that's probably the biggest takeaway imo, and you do have to note, as people did, that that was one potential vaccine death vs 4000 covid deaths on that day.

But it's certainly terrible for his family and certainly relevant to this topic.
 
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The story Bac posts does point to that death being associated to the vaccine. Now you have to wonder what else factored in, that's probably the biggest takeaway imo, and you do have to note, as people did, that that was one potential vaccine death vs 4000 covid deaths on that day.

But it's certainly terrible for his family certainly relevant to this topic.

It doesn’t really point to it, the story basically regurgitates what the wife posted and says that it’s being investigated.
 
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I'm waiting on the 2nd generation vaccines, the ones using DNA, shipped at room temperature, and injected right into the t-cells by a small electric shock. It's been a proven delivery method shown so far to have a 60 week antibody with no drop off when used with their MERS vaccine.

Who’s working on that one?
 
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It doesn’t really point to it, the story basically regurgitates what the wife posted and says that it’s being investigated.
I meant the wifes story. Could it be coincidence? Maybe, but that lineage would certainly have me pointing towards the vaccine.
 
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I'm waiting on the 2nd generation vaccines, the ones using DNA, shipped at room temperature, and injected right into the t-cells by a small electric shock. It's been a proven delivery method shown so far to have a 60 week antibody with no drop off when used with their MERS vaccine.
When is this coming and why are you waiting for it?
 
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I'm waiting on the 2nd generation vaccines, the ones using DNA, shipped at room temperature, and injected right into the t-cells by a small electric shock. It's been a proven delivery method shown so far to have a 60 week antibody with no drop off when used with their MERS vaccine.

Interesting and the first I have heard of this vaccine. It must be difficult to stabilize the t-cell and successfully puncture the cell wall for injection of the vaccine.

The story Bac posts does point to that death being associated to the vaccine. Now you have to wonder what else factored in, that's probably the biggest takeaway imo, and you do have to note, as people did, that that was one potential vaccine death vs 4000 covid deaths on that day.

But it's certainly terrible for his family certainly relevant to this topic.

There is a very good chance the vaccine caused his death if the main facts are legitimate. Petechiae (rash like) occurring a couple days after injection is the first clue. Secondly, a drop in platelets in a very quick amount of time to zero is almost unheard of. There is too much timing and coincidence related to the administration on the vaccine to dismiss it as happen stance. If it wasn't the vaccine, he had some critical, health issue going on which was undetected. Remember, he was a doctor and was observant enough to seek medical attention at the onset of the petechiae. So it's pretty unlikely some other medical issue was occurring undetected, unless it was a very acute event. Of course Pfizer is going to say it is unlikely related to the vaccine, they are going by the playbook with that response. I think I remember in this article it being reported there were 21 documented, severe reactions according to Pfizer. I wouldn't be surprised if the incidence of severe reactions is higher than that but on a percentage basis will still be very small. Overall though, given the small incidence of severe reactions versus the benefit of developing antibodies to CV-19, the vaccine is a no brainer.
 
Yes it is. Trump was trying to push the approval of the vaccine through without proper testing to get it out before the elections. Who would trust something like that?

it’s not inconsistent to say that the federal government needs a competent plan and that states won’t agree to a vaccine that hasn’t followed science.

If anything, the virus was a layup given to Trump and the federal govt to win re-election. All he had to say was that this is a serious issue and just try to do anything at all. They were even doing that with Kushner’s commission. It all fell apart when they decided to disband it because they thought it would be politically beneficial to have the virus decimate blue areas (NY, NJ, Cali).

you don’t have to believe me. Check out the world leader approval ratings. Scott Morrison (right wing Australia) and Merkel (right wing Germany) saw massive spikes in approval rating for their response to the virus. Narendra Modi’s (right wing India) kept his approval rating high through huge economic issues and massive protests by making the virus the enemy of the people. These guys didn’t do anything crazy. They just listened to their health experts. Here we ignored our health experts because we wanted to play political games and it lost the Presidency for Republicans. They continued to play games and it’s increasingly looking like the electorate will take away the senate from the GOP too.

Its time from people in the GOP to accept that Trump can make mistakes and he did. It’s not healthy to just deny everything you don’t like. If they keep it up, they may do the unthinkable and let Democrats maintain all 3 branches of the government through a midterm election in 2022.
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Your memory sucks. Cuomo was crying for help from the Feds and not getting any. Pandemics are, by definition (in our pandemic playbook) primarily national security threats which require Federally led responses and we got basically nothing from the Trump Administration. We had a testing debacle, a PPE debacle, and a POTUS who kept downplaying the virus and showing no leadership to rally the country around public health interventions. And until today, I never thought I'd see something which made Trump's response to COVID the 2nd worst thing he's done as POTUS.
Well at least you got the “ crying “ part correct. Your claims on delivery of the vaccine were inaccurate . Agreed dates are tough to predict but you too should never make claims about delivery to the public . Now saying ( April -May) you know that’s never going to happen . As for Cuomo he should be given a part in “The Godfather part IV “ if they ever produce another ?
 
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I meant the wifes story. Could it be coincidence? Maybe, but that lineage would certainly have me pointing towards the vaccine.

Could it be coincidence? There’s been 16mil people vaccinated already. People die every day, this is expected. The guy had a stroke. This article is better and the current thought is they are not connected, but let’s wait until they finish the research.

 
Could it be coincidence? There’s been 16mil people vaccinated already. People die every day, this is expected. The guy had a stroke. This article is better and the current thought is they are not connected, but let’s wait until they finish the research.

16 million? Where are you getting that number? Or did you mean 6?

disregard you are using the world total.
 
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really because anything you have been wrong on, I cannot count on you to correct so why bother


this is a thread on coronavirus, what I posted is a relevant issue, there have certainly been plenty of falsehoods posted here or by medical professionals in the msm that turned out to be false without any apologies so why start now
 
Could it be coincidence? There’s been 16mil people vaccinated already. People die every day, this is expected. The guy had a stroke. This article is better and the current thought is they are not connected, but let’s wait until they finish the research.


The guy had a hemmorhagic stroke shortly after his platelets plummeted to zero just days after getting the vaccination. They did a manual platelet count and found ONE lonely platelet when the normal counts are 150,000 to 300,000 per microliter. Below 20,000 to 50,000 can precipitate severe, spontaneous bleeding and/or death. A platelet count of zero is rarely documented. Even heavily dosed, chemotherapy patients have more platelets than this guy had. Unless he had another acute event right at that same time, there seems to be a link that the vaccination was the cause of his hemmorhagic stroke. There should be an autopsy which we may or may not hear about depending on what the wife is willing to disclose. Nonetheless, the reported rate of severe reactions and death are very minimal but this is an interesting case.
 
Who said it was a fact.I posted the facebook post and the article. You are insufferable
Please, you posted the FB post with the comment, "not good, not good at all," implying the death was known to be due to the vaccine. It certainly could be, but we don't know yet. Maybe if you posted it along with more relevant commentary you wouldn't get grief on it. You also have a long history of posting misleading tweets from very questionable sources on COVID, so you'll continue to be called out on those. If that makes you think I'm insufferable, I can live with that.
 
The Astrazenica-oxford vaccine currently in use in the UK is DNA.
Wrong as far as the delivery. Big Pharma doesn't want this vaccine to see the light of day. Too much money in what major donors have already invested in I believe.
 
INOVIO’s DNA medicines deliver optimized plasmids directly into cells intramuscularly or intradermally using one of INOVIO’s proprietary hand-held CELLECTRA® smart devices. The CELLECTRA device uses a brief electrical pulse to reversibly open small pores in the cell to allow the plasmids to enter, overcoming a key limitation of other DNA and other nucleic acid approaches, such as mRNA.
 
The guy had a hemmorhagic stroke shortly after his platelets plummeted to zero just days after getting the vaccination. They did a manual platelet count and found ONE lonely platelet when the normal counts are 150,000 to 300,000 per microliter. Below 20,000 to 50,000 can precipitate severe, spontaneous bleeding and/or death. A platelet count of zero is rarely documented. Even heavily dosed, chemotherapy patients have more platelets than this guy had. Unless he had another acute event right at that same time, there seems to be a link that the vaccination was the cause of his hemmorhagic stroke. There should be an autopsy which we may or may not hear about depending on what the wife is willing to disclose. Nonetheless, the reported rate of severe reactions and death are very minimal but this is an interesting case.

Why are you assuming he didn’t have another acute event?
 
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Wrong as far as the delivery. Big Pharma doesn't want this vaccine to see the light of day. Too much money in what major donors have already invested in I believe.
Is Atrazenica not big pharma?

And it's already out in the UK, it has also shown to be significantly less effective. 70% compared to 95%.

I didn't say anything about delivery.
 
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Please, you posted the FB post with the comment, "not good, not good at all," implying the death was known to be due to the vaccine. It certainly could be, but we don't know yet. Maybe if you posted it along with more relevant commentary you wouldn't get grief on it. You also have a long history of posting misleading tweets from very questionable sources on COVID, so you'll continue to be called out on those. If that makes you think I'm insufferable, I can live with that.

And you have a long history of emotional posts off the rails. Let the people in this thread decide after they read everything. You arent some gold idol
 
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