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OT: COVID Science - Pfizer/Moderna vaccines >90% effective; Regeneron antibody cocktail looks very promising in phase II/III trial and more

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Is Atrazenica not big pharma?

And it's already out in the UK, it has also shown to be significantly less effective. 70% compared to 95%.

I didn't say anything about delivery.
Which vaccine are you talking about? My point was Big Pharma doesn't want INO vaccine to see the light of day, geez.
 
Is Atrazenica not big pharma?

And it's already out in the UK, it has also shown to be significantly less effective. 70% compared to 95%.

I didn't say anything about delivery.
Who was talking about Atrazenica, certainly not me.
 
Interesting and the first I have heard of this vaccine. It must be difficult to stabilize the t-cell and successfully puncture the cell wall for injection of the vaccine.



There is a very good chance the vaccine caused his death if the main facts are legitimate. Petechiae (rash like) occurring a couple days after injection is the first clue. Secondly, a drop in platelets in a very quick amount of time to zero is almost unheard of. There is too much timing and coincidence related to the administration on the vaccine to dismiss it as happen stance. If it wasn't the vaccine, he had some critical, health issue going on which was undetected. Remember, he was a doctor and was observant enough to seek medical attention at the onset of the petechiae. So it's pretty unlikely some other medical issue was occurring undetected, unless it was a very acute event. Of course Pfizer is going to say it is unlikely related to the vaccine, they are going by the playbook with that response. I think I remember in this article it being reported there were 21 documented, severe reactions according to Pfizer. I wouldn't be surprised if the incidence of severe reactions is higher than that but on a percentage basis will still be very small. Overall though, given the small incidence of severe reactions versus the benefit of developing antibodies to CV-19, the vaccine is a no brainer.
With this- - - a small electric shock that opens the cell wall. Administration with the CELLECTRA® device ensures that the DNA medicine is efficiently delivered directly into the body's cells, where it can go to work to drive an immune response. INOVIO's DNA medicines do not interfere with or change in any way an individual's own DNA. The advantages of INOVIO's DNA medicine platform are how fast DNA medicines can be designed and manufactured; the stability of the products, which do not require freezing in storage and transport; and the robust immune response, safety profile, and tolerability that have been observed in clinical trials.
 
Easy dude. Read the top portion where it talked about MERS.

sounds exciting. When are phase 3 results expected?
Not sure, but it hasn't gotten the press it deserves, but overseas governments have already secured over $100 million worth of doses. Dr. Fauci is part of the problem since he's invested in the current vaccines and he tried twice to invest/develop a DNA based vaccine with no success. I don't think the man is worth my sweat off my nads.
 
Not sure, but it hasn't gotten the press it deserves, but overseas governments have already secured over $100 million worth of doses. Dr. Fauci is part of the problem since he's invested in the current vaccines and he tried twice to invest/develop a DNA based vaccine with no success. I don't think the man is worth my sweat off my nads.

So you’re an investor...
 
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So PA just confirmed their first case of this "new" strain. The first in the US was 10 days ago in Colorado. Yet there are only about 50 cases in the entire US and very spread out coast to coast. This is supposed to be a strain that is much more highly contagious. Has this been proven yet? Is what we are seeing here exactly the same as the UK version? Or just another of the many different strains that Covid has become?
 
So PA just confirmed their first case of this "new" strain. The first in the US was 10 days ago in Colorado. Yet there are only about 50 cases in the entire US and very spread out coast to coast. This is supposed to be a strain that is much more highly contagious. Has this been proven yet? Is what we are seeing here exactly the same as the UK version? Or just another of the many different strains that Covid has become?
It's whatever the media wants it to be, I'm afraid.
 
So PA just confirmed their first case of this "new" strain. The first in the US was 10 days ago in Colorado. Yet there are only about 50 cases in the entire US and very spread out coast to coast. This is supposed to be a strain that is much more highly contagious. Has this been proven yet? Is what we are seeing here exactly the same as the UK version? Or just another of the many different strains that Covid has become?
CT just reported first case of new strain.
 
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It's whatever the media wants it to be, I'm afraid.
So the media is saying it’s more highly contagious or is the media reporting on what the science says? Or too early to tell?

 
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Why are you assuming he didn’t have another acute event?

Did you read anywhere that I assumed he didn't have another acute event at the same time he received this vaccine which would cause the severe thrombocytopenia? Because I never said that. I typically would not rule anything completely out unless I had definitive evidence leading me to a conclusion. If you can find another reason or cause for this reportedly healthy, 56 year old male which would cause a complete decimation of his platelets, I'm all ears. Remember, the reason has to be acute enough to destroy all of his blood cells in two days as he was presumably healthy with no preexisting conditions. Otherwise, the details I have read and the timing point to the administration of the vaccine.
 
Anyone have any tips on getting scheduled date for the vaccine? I am part of the 1A group in the medical field but it seems pretty difficult still...
 
How are they testing for the new strain if the symptoms are the same? As in, how would a PCR test differentiate between the two?
 
How are they testing for the new strain if the symptoms are the same? As in, how would a PCR test differentiate between the two?
PCR tests do not test for any strain. The US's efforts to evaluate different circulating strains (which involves RNA sequencing, which is not trivial work) are far less comprehensive than the UK's or that of many other countries. This is the kind of thing that needs Federal leadership, like many other elements of pandemic prevention/response.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/health/coronavirus-variant-tracking.html
 
PCR tests do not test for any strain. The US's efforts to evaluate different circulating strains (which involves RNA sequencing, which is not trivial work) are far less comprehensive than the UK's or that of many other countries. This is the kind of thing that needs Federal leadership, like many other elements of pandemic prevention/response.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/health/coronavirus-variant-tracking.html

That's behind a paywall for me. So are we basically spot checking samples then?

Initially it was reported a few weeks back by the BBC that the PCR tests "responded differently" to the new strain but that was probably bad reporting.
 
Anyone have any tips on getting scheduled date for the vaccine? I am part of the 1A group in the medical field but it seems pretty difficult still...
wow. Hunterdon County/Somerset area has already moved into 1B group...police, firefighters, etc.

Have you gone to the NJ Covid Hub and registered for the Vaccine? take you 10 mins to answer some questions and I would assume you'd be a priority.

Just lost another cousin this afternoon. Like me he had asthma. He was doing great and it turned and took him in a matter of days.

I got several emails on Dec 15th saying I should be ready for mine in a few weeks. I guess it will be a few MORE weeks. Good luck to you.
 
I think its pretty important to find out, there have been other severe reactions. Oh I guess it really does not matter, whats one life

Once again, aren't you the guy who last winter stated that we should not do anything because this is no worse than the flu - so only 35000 people or so would die from it? Now suddenly, you are worried about one life? Have you suddenly acquired new sensitivity to the human condition?

Reports up to this point have indicated all the people who had serious medical issues after getting the vaccine were people who were extremely sensitive to environmental allergens.

The companies administering these vaccines obviously have a lot at stake if issues arise, so they are analyzing any severe reactions to make sure they understand why they occur. In all the cases so far, getting an epinephrine injection or similar anti-allergic reaction medication has quelled the reaction. It is actually amazing that we have had so FEW severe reactions of any kind to the vaccines so far.

Every death is important, The fact though is that we are now losing 4000 people every day, so one or two deaths among 20 million vaccine injections may be a price that has to be paid to overcome this virus.

It is true we have not had enough time yet to determine any long term detrimental effects. However, due to the nature of the vaccine (relatively small pieces of RNA), the odds of long term negative effects are probably less than the odds of getting killed by a train.

As for this guy ....2008, he throws around what sounds like technical language in a manner that makes no sense. Some of us are aware what all the terms that he drops mean, but I is pretty obvious he doesn't because of the way he combines them. It is clear he does not even understand what a T-cell is or how it works.
 
Once again, aren't you the guy who last winter stated that we should not do anything because this is no worse than the flu - so only 35000 people or so would die from it? Now suddenly, you are worried about one life? Have you suddenly acquired new sensitivity to the human condition?

Reports up to this point have indicated all the people who had serious medical issues after getting the vaccine were people who were extremely sensitive to environmental allergens.

The companies administering these vaccines obviously have a lot at stake if issues arise, so they are analyzing any severe reactions to make sure they understand why they occur. In all the cases so far, getting an epinephrine injection or similar anti-allergic reaction medication has quelled the reaction. It is actually amazing that we have had so FEW severe reactions of any kind to the vaccines so far.

Every death is important, The fact though is that we are now losing 4000 people every day, so one or two deaths among 20 million vaccine injections may be a price that has to be paid to overcome this virus.

It is true we have not had enough time yet to determine any long term detrimental effects. However, due to the nature of the vaccine (relatively small pieces of RNA), the odds of long term negative effects are probably less than the odds of getting killed by a train.

As for this guy ....2008, he throws around what sounds like technical language in a manner that makes no sense. Some of us are aware what all the terms that he drops mean, but I is pretty obvious he doesn't because of the way he combines them. It is clear he does not even understand what a T-cell is or how it works.

No never said..you are talking about someone else

Question is why are coming in thread bold face lying about i what i said
 
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30% of the 22 million doses delivered have been used. I thought this was going to get better.
 
I've been hoping since Pfizer first doses have been shipped. A long, a very uncomfortable long way to go.
I know we’ve debated this but I think there will be a much more concerted effort at the top which will help. We are already seeing a different game plan. Hope they have enough insight into the supply plan to sequence the doses.
 
Well, unfortunately, Trevor Bradford, one of the world's foremost virologists, is now nearly convinced that the UK SARS-CoV-2 variant, is significantly more transmissible than most existing variants. He posted a 10-part tweet on this, which relies on three main lines of evidence: 1. rapid increase in frequency of variant over wildtype 2. higher secondary attack rate of variant than wildtype 3. increased viral loads of variant over wildtype as measured by Ct (PCR testing).

This is obviously not good, even if this variant isn't any more deadly or even if it's no less easily stopped by the vaccines we have in hand, since simply being more transmissible means more people get infected in a given time period, such that hospitalization and death rates will likely increase. More details are in the thread, but this is obviously related to the UK's decision to go ahead and approve emergency use of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine now, using single doses (which they think will be 70% effective, as they simply want to get vaccines into arms, even if they're not as highly effective as the mRNA vaccines (discussed in the Derek Lowe blog I just posted above).

Distancing and masking are about to become even more important, as the variant is in the US...


Update on SARS-CoV-2 variants and vaccines. Preliminary work shows that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine will very likely still be effective against both the UK and South Africa variants that are circulating and appear to be more transmissible (more work remains to be 100% sure on this). And even if we eventually see variants that "escape" the vaccine, modifying the RNA sequence used in the mRNA vaccines to provide effectiveness for new strains, should only take 6-12 weeks (it would take longer in other vaccines that use viral vectors to deliver the RNA; same for protein-based vaccines). It's still likely that vaccine immunity will last a few to several years, barring many more major mutations than we've seen to date (which should take years given the fairly slow evolution rate of this virus).

https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-study-vaccine-coronavirus-strain-3094dd3cc91b4a20780402476cdcb5ae

In addition, work was done with the UK and South African variants and polyclonal antibodies from convalescent patients (infected with COVID and recovered) and this work showed the antibodies generally neutralized the UK variant, but had some reduced neutralization of the SA variant, which has an additional mutation (E484K, an amino acid on the spike protein of the virus) the UK variant does not have. However, immune responses from the vaccine are more robust and broader, so the authors of this study said that they didn't think this variant would have a serious effect on vaccine efficacy - and that further mutations over time would likely be needed to erode vaccine immunity.

“I’m quite optimistic that even with these mutations, immunity is not going to suddenly fail on us,” Bloom said. “It might be gradually eroded, but it’s not going to fail on us, at least in the short term.”

https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/07/coronavirus-mutation-vaccine-strength/

Having said all of the above, this is why getting the world vaccinated fairly quickly, especially those countries with high infection rates is so important, since evolutionary changes are far more likely when more people are being infected (just rolling the dice more). What would also suck is if the virus were largely eliminated from a bunch of countries, but then a new variant that somewhat or even largely escapes the vaccines (since they're all targeting the spike protein, although not 100% identically, so eluding all of them is unlikely) developed elsewhere and started infecting vaccinated people. That's why vigilance on strains and immune responses to those strains induced by vaccines are so important to identify quickly to allow modified vaccines to be developed quickly.

https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...against-new-coronavirus-variant-idUSKBN28W1P5
 
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Why don’t you stick to posts that have some value instead of this nonsense.
Wait, are you telling me they don't have it all figured out? Oh crap, another year of social distancing and ordering in. I thought all our problems were about to go away. Praying for Inovio
 
PCR tests do not test for any strain. The US's efforts to evaluate different circulating strains (which involves RNA sequencing, which is not trivial work) are far less comprehensive than the UK's or that of many other countries. This is the kind of thing that needs Federal leadership, like many other elements of pandemic prevention/response.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/health/coronavirus-variant-tracking.html



something new I've been recently seeing is positive antigen tests and false negative PCR related to above...particularly TaqPath. My own obtained samples all go to LabCorp or Quest - now with quick tat.

fyi had my vax just after Christmas day...had very strange side effect (waited for Moderna on purpose). Been walking around with a sustained erection since getting vax. Very unusual.
Kidding aside, I had such a nonreaction that im concerned i got saline. will expect a bit more something in a couple weeks on booster. I also suspect the rollout is going to be accelerating from here on out. Received email yesterday allowing ordering for my NJ office. At first they wanted to inspect my cold storage chain but they seemingly punted on that. i do have to get a new digital data logger. Obviously not dealing with Pfizer.
 
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something new I've been recently seeing is positive antigen tests and false negative PCR related to above...particularly TaqPath. My own obtained samples all go to LabCorp or Quest - now with quick tat.

fyi had my vax just after Christmas day...had very strange side effect (waited for Moderna on purpose). Been walking around with a sustained erection since getting vax. Very unusual.
Kidding aside, I had such a nonreaction that im concerned i got saline. will expect a bit more something in a couple weeks on booster. I also suspect the rollout is going to be accelerating from here on out. Received email yesterday allowing ordering for my NJ office. At first they wanted to inspect my cold storage chain but they seemingly punted on that. i do have to get a new digital data logger. Obviously not dealing with Pfizer.

😂 had me for a second
 
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From The Economist

GOOD NEWS from covid-19 wards is hard to come by these days. A relentless surge in infections is overwhelming hospitals around the world. But the results from clinical trials of two drugs announced today just improved the prognosis, for both patients and hospitals.

The two drugs, called tocilizumab and sarilumab, are currently used to reduce inflammation in patients with arthritis. Hyper-inflammation, whereby the immune system goes into overdrive and destroys the organs, is how covid-19 tends to kill. The search for suitable anti-inflammatory drugs for covid-19 has already turned up one, dexamethasone. It is a cheap steroid that dampens the immune system across the board. In contrast, tocilizumab and sarilumab are more targeted. They are both made of antibodies that block the effect of interleukin-6, a protein that stokes the immune response and has been prominent in patients with covid-19.
 
From The Economist

GOOD NEWS from covid-19 wards is hard to come by these days. A relentless surge in infections is overwhelming hospitals around the world. But the results from clinical trials of two drugs announced today just improved the prognosis, for both patients and hospitals.

The two drugs, called tocilizumab and sarilumab, are currently used to reduce inflammation in patients with arthritis. Hyper-inflammation, whereby the immune system goes into overdrive and destroys the organs, is how covid-19 tends to kill. The search for suitable anti-inflammatory drugs for covid-19 has already turned up one, dexamethasone. It is a cheap steroid that dampens the immune system across the board. In contrast, tocilizumab and sarilumab are more targeted. They are both made of antibodies that block the effect of interleukin-6, a protein that stokes the immune response and has been prominent in patients with covid-19.

Saw that too. Think this was a UK study though, I wonder what the fda’s stance of this is.
 
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