OT: Electric vehicles

[Knight Shift]

Auto pilot is really no different than cruise control. My Altima had the same system- assisted with staying in lane, slow down/speed up based on car in front of you, etc. It does not drive the car for you. Frankly I've found Tesla's warning systems of pedestrians, cars stopping in front of me, etc. to actually be over the top and somewhat annoying at times.

Agreed. My new Maverick has a collision warning alert that can be very distracting. When making a left turn at an intersection where a the vehicle across the lane in front is also making a left turn triggers the collision warning. I would imagine that some drivers could/would react by jamming on the brakes, which could cause a rear end collision. Seems a lot of these posts about Tesla issues may be from the same posters, not realizing that these technology systems have existed for a long time and will always depend on the driver being in control of their vehicle.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Auto pilot is really no different than cruise control. My Altima had the same system- assisted with staying in lane, slow down/speed up based on car in front of you, etc. It does not drive the car for you. Frankly I've found Tesla's warning systems of pedestrians, cars stopping in front of me, etc. to actually be over the top and somewhat annoying at times.

You can change the sensitivity of the forward collision warning in the settings.

 

[mildone]

Do you feel the same way about backup cameras? I see plenty of people who don't check behind their vehicle before they back up or turn around and look in both side view mirrors before and while they are backing up. The backup cameras are not infallible. And neither are the drivers for that matter.

I think driver assistance systems are okay. A backup camera isn't infallible, nor are physical mirrors. I always use both things to improve my odds of a avoiding a bad outcome. That's hopefully what's taught in driver's education classes.

I'm all for any assistance that requires the driver to take the action, but uses alerts to warn them when they've missed something. Driver augmentation systems. Night-vision assists, lane-drift warnings and lane-change assists, front-facing braking assist w/loud warnings.

It's when the driver is no longer required to fully participate for some period of time that drivers will invariably lose focus and attention. That's where the danger lies. Until such time as we can make auto-driving systems work reliably enough to not require any human intervention, where the driver can safely sleep while the car drives, that such systems become safe to use. And we're a long way from making that happen. It's almost certainly never going to happen w/out infrastructure sensors and full-time V2V communication.

And even then, what happens when a system is hacked or simply fails? It'll be rare, but that makes it all the more dangerous because, with software doing all the driving, people will lose their hard-earned driving instincts, they'll lose their constantly trained physical mastery over the vehicle.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Do you feel the same way about backup cameras? I see plenty of people who don't check behind their vehicle before they back up or turn around and look in both side view mirrors before and while they are backing up. The backup cameras are not infallible. And neither are the drivers for that matter.

You're right, and that's what a lot of people criticizing ADAS systems forget....Humans are shitty drivers! Humans lose focus, get distracted, get tired, young drivers lack experience, old drivers get diminished reflexes and reaction time with age.

We're complacent to the fact that hundreds will die on the road today due to human error, but when an ADAS system is involved in a single accident (allegedly), it becomes national news.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Don't know if he was just throwing the bull around, but a guy I know who has a Tesla says he takes naps while the car is on autopilot and does work on his laptop. That is not autopilot's fault. I agree that the driver is responsible for the vehicle. I would imagine the autopilot system issues some sort of warning to the driver when it is engaged.

Taking a nap, IMO, would be hard to pull off. You have to give the steering wheel a little jiggle every 90 seconds or so while autopilot is engaged.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

“Battery causes CT electric bus to burst into flames, official says”​

Battery causes CT electric bus to burst into flames, official says

A firefighter and two CT Transit workers were hospitalized after an electric bus caught...

www.stamfordadvocate.com

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

“Battery causes CT electric bus to burst into flames, official says”​

Battery causes CT electric bus to burst into flames, official says

A firefighter and two CT Transit workers were hospitalized after an electric bus caught...

www.stamfordadvocate.com

Great find. This is why EVs are a terrible idea Gasoline or diesel vehicles never catch fire. See if you can find an article about how the toxic EV batteries end up in landfills. Are you Darren Woods?

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

You're right, and that's what a lot of people criticizing ADAS systems forget....Humans are shitty drivers! Humans lose focus, get distracted, get tired, young drivers lack experience, old drivers get diminished reflexes and reaction time with age.

We're complacent to the fact that hundreds will die on the road today due to human error, but when an ADAS system is involved in a single accident (allegedly), it becomes national news.

My first recommendation would be they change the name of the technology — “autopilot” apparently sends the wrong message to some, despite the given warnings.

 

[Knight Shift]

Good stuff in NJ. Renewed EV incentives, at lower rate $4,000 instead of $5,000 so that there is more to go around, but still a cap on vehicle cost at $55,000, which I suppose is OK if it gets more people into EVs who would not otherwise buy them:

Murphy, Pallone promote incentives for electrical vehicle purchases, charging stations

Gov. Phil Murphy and Rep. Frank Pallone came to Asbury Park to promote electric vehicle purchases and charging stations.

www.app.com

 

[RUBlackout7]

Saw a blue Audi q4 etron yesterday. One of the best looking EVs for sure.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

My first recommendation would be they change the name of the technology — “autopilot” apparently sends the wrong message to some, despite the given warnings.

Agreed. 63% of Americans think this guy can fly a plane

Otto | Actor

Known for: Airplane!

www.imdb.com

 

[Knight Shift]

“Battery causes CT electric bus to burst into flames, official says”​

Battery causes CT electric bus to burst into flames, official says

A firefighter and two CT Transit workers were hospitalized after an electric bus caught...

www.stamfordadvocate.com

There is nothing in that article to indicate that the battery "caused" the bus to burst into flames. As is standard protocol, the statement actually said: "The Fire Marshal is investigating the incident." It would be premature and against procedure for the Fire Marshal to rule on the cause of the fire so soon. The only Fire Marshal who would do such a thing:

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

There is nothing in that article to indicate that the battery "caused" the bus to burst into flames. As is standard protocol, the statement actually said: "The Fire Marshal is investigating the incident." It would be premature and against procedure for the Fire Marshal to rule on the cause of the fire so soon. The only Fire Marshal who would do such a thing:

Sorry, fireman.

I didn’t write the headline.

 

[Knight Shift]

Sorry, fireman.

I didn’t write the headline.

But we know from reading the gazillions of crap articles about Rutgers athletics that the headlines are often misleading.

You quoted the title for shock value. I just threw some cold water on your heated post to lower the temperature in the room like any firefighter would do. 🤷‍♂️

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

But we know from reading the gazillions of crap articles about Rutgers athletics that the headlines are often misleading.

You quoted the title for shock value. I just threw some cold water on your heated post to lower the temperature in the room like any firefighter would do. 🤷‍♂️

I really just liked the picture.

 

[fsg2]

GM continues designing EVs for not much of anyone at all. Best thing about this is they're finally going old school with an ultra-luxury Cadillac after like four go-nowhere concept cars over the past couple decades. Maybe American luxury will be a thing again in the EV era?

2024 Cadillac Celestiq First Look: A $300,000 Handmade Tale

Caddy strives to earn back its Standard of the World title with an exotic, low-volume, high-priced work of modern automotive art—but will the public buy it?

www.motortrend.com

 

[Knight Shift]

I really just liked the picture.

No pun intended, but I am shocked that cities and transit agencies are investing in electric buses at this point. They are much more expensive than diesel buses, and while far from perfect, propane buses are seen as a better and cheaper alternative for now.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

No pun intended, but I am shocked that cities and transit agencies are investing in electric buses at this point. They are much more expensive than diesel buses, and while far from perfect, propane buses are seen as a better and cheaper alternative for now.

Electrifying commentary. :)

Since when do governments make any sense?

 

[jtung230]

Good stuff in NJ. Renewed EV incentives, at lower rate $4,000 instead of $5,000 so that there is more to go around, but still a cap on vehicle cost at $55,000, which I suppose is OK if it gets more people into EVs who would not otherwise buy them:

Murphy, Pallone promote incentives for electrical vehicle purchases, charging stations

Gov. Phil Murphy and Rep. Frank Pallone came to Asbury Park to promote electric vehicle purchases and charging stations.

www.app.com

This such BS. I got my car on 7/9 and the dealer said the incentives are over. Why did they wait until now and not when the budget was passed on 7/1 like previous years?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

My first recommendation would be they change the name of the technology — “autopilot” apparently sends the wrong message to some, despite the given warnings.

Why? Because you have statistical evidence that suggests more accidents happen with Autopilot engaged vs without? Please share.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Why? Because you have statistical evidence that suggests more accidents happen with Autopilot engaged vs without? Please share.

No. Because the name could potentially mislead someone with a full belly into believing that the vehicle was being piloted automatically.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

WSJ News Exclusive | Redwood Materials Plans $3.5 Billion Battery-Materials Plant in Nevada

As Tesla and others make more electric vehicles, JB Straubel bets on a Nevada factory designed to produce the materials needed to make rechargeable battery cells.

www.wsj.com

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I normally avoid posting things specific to Elon Musk, but I've been kind of sucked into this storyline.

 

[RUevolution36]

I normally avoid posting things specific to Elon Musk, but I've been kind of sucked into this storyline.

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thats not the only thing about elon you're sucking...

 

[jtung230]

This such BS. I got my car on 7/9 and the dealer said the incentives are over. Why did they wait until now and not when the budget was passed on 7/1 like previous years?

Turns out it wouldn’t matter for me because you can’t pre-order. All orders have to be after 7/25/2022. What EV is available on the lot?

 

[RUevolution36]

Turns out it wouldn’t matter for me because you can’t pre-order. All orders have to be after 7/25/2022. What EV is available on the lot?

Kia EV6's?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

No. Because the name could potentially mislead someone with a full belly into believing that the vehicle was being piloted automatically.

Over legislate and over regulate based on what ifs and "could potentially". Sounds like a utopia.
After driving for 30 seconds with Autopilot engaged, you are aware of the system's limitations. Not to mention the constant reminders the vehicle gives you.
I'm going to go out on a limb and presume you've never driven a Tesla with Autopilot, right? Yet, you know what's best. Go troll another thread.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

“Battery causes CT electric bus to burst into flames, official says”​

Battery causes CT electric bus to burst into flames, official says

A firefighter and two CT Transit workers were hospitalized after an electric bus caught...

www.stamfordadvocate.com

Wow 😮

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Over legislate and over regulate based on what ifs and "could potentially". Sounds like a utopia.
After driving for 30 seconds with Autopilot engaged, you are aware of the system's limitations. Not to mention the constant reminders the vehicle gives you.
I'm going to go out on a limb and presume you've never driven a Tesla with Autopilot, right? Yet, you know what's best. Go troll another thread.

I didn’t mean to trigger you.

Nor have I proposed legislation or regulation regarding the term “autopilot” or Tesla or Elon.

I hope you have a peaceful day, full belly.

 

[jtung230]

Kia EV6's?

Nope, not on the lot. I think most of these credits are for PHEVs.

 

[RUevolution36]

Consumer groups, safety experts recommend standardizing names for advanced driver aids | Autoblog - Autoblog

AAA, Consumer Reports, J.D. Power, National Safety Council, PAVE, and SAE International want to standardize names of advanced driver assistance systems.

www.autoblog.com

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Consumer groups, safety experts recommend standardizing names for advanced driver aids | Autoblog - Autoblog

AAA, Consumer Reports, J.D. Power, National Safety Council, PAVE, and SAE International want to standardize names of advanced driver assistance systems.

www.autoblog.com

Inventing a problem when there is none.

 

[Tango Two]

NJ will pay you up to $4,000 to buy an electric vehicle​

NJ will pay you up to $4,000 to buy an electric vehicle

Transportation accounts for more than 40% of New Jersey's greenhouse gas emissions, Gov. Phil Murphy's office says.

gothamist.com

 

[Tango Two]

 

[goru1869]

/\ /\ /\ Truth. A loan will be needed for a new battery as the car loan is being paid off.

 

[RUBlackout7]

/\ /\ /\ Truth. A loan will be needed for a new battery as the car loan is being paid off.

No need.

This 2018 Tesla Model 3 Passed the 300,000-Mile Mark, Here's What You Need To Know

Many people are still not convinced that electric vehicles are suitable for the long run, but a new story from Canada proves the opposite

www.autoevolution.com

 

[LBusDoor90]

/\ /\ /\ Truth. A loan will be needed for a new battery as the car loan is being paid off.

Sure. Let’s ignore all of the owners of 1st generation Model Ss from 2012 still charging to 85-90% of their batteries’ original capacity 10 years later.
Lay off the propaganda coming from those threatened by EVs. You’ll find yourself less angry and you’ll embarrass yourself less on public forums like this.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Over legislate and over regulate based on what ifs and "could potentially". Sounds like a utopia.
After driving for 30 seconds with Autopilot engaged, you are aware of the system's limitations. Not to mention the constant reminders the vehicle gives you.
I'm going to go out on a limb and presume you've never driven a Tesla with Autopilot, right? Yet, you know what's best. Go troll another thread.

This is 100% correct.

 

[Knight Shift]

This is 100% correct.

Can't fix stupid. As a process engineer in a manufacturing plant, we were always trying to out engineer things the operators of the automated equipment might/could do. That principle held then too. If people did not follow common sense and the procedures, there would be equipment downtime, not because of equipment, but because of operator error.

And some of these terrible drivers will try to sue the manufacturer for a defect or failure to warn. They should look in the mirror for the defect.