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OT: Electric vehicles

I again would point out that I never see them driving under the limit, but do see them driving at or just slightly over all the time. That might look like it's slower than the limit because everybody is passing them. But this Tesla today was clearly under the speed limit.
Two posts on a slow driver. This is so interesting.
 
Two posts on a slow driver. This is so interesting.
The first post was about the very slow driver. The second time I referenced him was to clarify the discussion between me and a couple other posters.

And the reason I posted about it was because I haven't seen anybody drive that slow on any NJ highway in a very long time. The guy was going at least 10mph under when most people are driving at least 10mph over. Didn't bother me so much as make me wonder what was up.

That's 3 posts about a slow driver. Since we're apparently keeping count for some reason.
 
You're missing the point. The EPA estimated range is not calculated based on someone driving like a maniac. That's true of any vehicle. If you drive hard, expect lower range and don't complain about it. You don't need to drive like a hypermiling grandma to get the rated range or better. Does one accelerate into red lights and stop signs, then apply the breaks? Or, let the regen alone bring the vehicle to a stop. Makes a huge difference. This isn't rocket science.

It's actually based on someone driving speed limits. Which no one does.
 
Unsurprising news today.

"Volume production by mid 2023"

I thought he might have misspoke by including the word "volume", but he did say it twice. Production of 4680 cells is behind schedule. They don't need 4680s this year, but Cybertruck, Semi, and Roadster will all need 4680s going into 2023. We'll see. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
Who pays the 10k when the battery craps out?
I’ll estimate that my battery will “crap out” in 5-7 years minimum. If the value of selling my car is more than $10k at that time, I’ll happily pay it. Guessing I’ll replace the battery and walk away with an extra $10k
 
Saw my first MB EQS on 78. It was meh. still Think Taycan is a better choice at that price range.
 
Interesting discussion of ev production — mining for battery resources, etc

Because people can always rely on Hannity, or any other political entertainers, for accuracy and objectivity? 🤣

If I could be serious here for one minute, I'd be extremely embarrassed to ever post a video of any of the political talk-show hosts, be it from the left or right. Hell, I wouldn't even do it in a trolling post. I mean, do you really want to project the image of someone who would watch that trash?

Calling that stuff factual and informative is like calling Championship Wrestling a sport.
 
Because people can always rely on Hannity, or any other political entertainers, for accuracy and objectivity? 🤣

If I could be serious here for one minute, I'd be extremely embarrassed to ever post a video of any of the political talk-show hosts, be it from the left or right. Hell, I wouldn't even do it in a trolling post. I mean, do you really want to project the image of someone who would watch that trash?

Calling that stuff factual and informative is like calling Championship Wrestling a sport.
IMO, you are wrong on the last part. you should have said Nascar.
 
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Because people can always rely on Hannity, or any other political entertainers, for accuracy and objectivity? 🤣

If I could be serious here for one minute, I'd be extremely embarrassed to ever post a video of any of the political talk-show hosts, be it from the left or right. Hell, I wouldn't even do it in a trolling post. I mean, do you really want to project the image of someone who would watch that trash?

Calling that stuff factual and informative is like calling Championship Wrestling a sport.

I wouldn’t recommend anyone watch television reguarly, certainly not television news, Fox or any network. I haven’t watched television, other than sports, for more than a decade and am much better for it.

I would recommend not being afraid to watch a clip here and there, even from sources that some don’t trust.

You are easily embarrassed. I hope you can overcome that. Don’t be afraid of what someone might think of you. That can be debilitating.
 
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I wouldn’t recommend anyone watch television reguarly, certainly not television news, Fox or any network. I haven’t watched television, other than sports, for more than a decade and am much better for it.

I would recommend not being afraid to watch a clip here and there, even from sources that some don’t trust.

You are easily embarrassed. I hope you can overcome that. Don’t be afraid of what someone might think of you. That can be debilitating.
No MASH or Cheers reruns? No "Last Man Standing"? No "The Neighborhood"? You're missing some good laughs.
 
Interesting discussion of ev production — mining for battery resources, etc

I knew I could pick out a Hannity lie without even trying… Fossil fuel electricity generation right now is 60%…nuclear 20%, renewables 20%. The new bill doesn’t force closure of any fossil fuel power generating plants, or Manchin wouldn’t have voted for it since he makes a fortune off of a coal plant in WV.
 
Interesting discussion of ev production — mining for battery resources, etc


This bill is just killing the far right. They have a narrative that Biden is dying or Biden can't get things done or Biden is dangerously left-wing.

And then Biden has had a recent streak of big wins - Guns, NATO, jobs report, gas prices falling, vitamixing Zawahiri, Kansas, and now a legacy bill on renewables and (finally!) implementing price controls on some drugs.

So expect a lot of whinging about awful mines are (as if they ever cared one iota) and how the energy grid is going to collapse, etc. Fear mongering is what Fox News does best.
 
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This bill is just killing the far right. They have a narrative that Biden is dying or Biden can't get things done or Biden is dangerously left-wing.

And then Biden has had a recent streak of big wins - Guns, NATO, jobs report, gas prices falling, vitamixing Zawahiri, Kansas, and now a legacy bill on renewables and (finally!) implementing price controls on some drugs.

So expect a lot of whinging about awful mines are (as if they ever cared one iota) and how the energy grid is going to collapse, etc. Fear mongering is what Fox News does best.
Guns? Not a win for anyone if millions are still on the streets.
NATO? Time will tell. Will certain European countries become more involved? We are providing the most weapons and money when this is not in our neighborhood.
Jobs? Not much of an opinion.
Gas prices falling? We were told they went up because of putin. After that we were told it was demand destruction. SOOOOO, seems to me putin and the drivers in the USA have brought the price down.
Zawahiri? Binden did great on this as Trump did, Obama did and Bush did. THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB.
Kansa? That was the people of the state that decided this. Biden had NOTHING to do with it. I guess Biden lost also on this issue because of the new Indiana law that takes effect on Sept. 15. Why did you not point that out? This is what the Supreme Court wanted. For WE the People to decide this issue, NOT Washington.
The bill on renewables? Time will tell who is right. Both sides saying different things and Bernie does not like it. Maybe it will be good maybe not. Time will tell. And if anyone believes this will help with inflation and reduce the deficit, WELLLLLLLL.
Price controls on some drugs? Both sides got something.
Fear mongering? EVERY, EVERY, EVERY, station does it. FOX, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC. They all do it. Why do you think people don't trust the media?
And last but not least. Have a good weekend. Carry on.
 
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IMO, you are wrong on the last part. you should have said Nascar.
I actually knew people who watched Championship Wrestling, back in the day, and thought it was real. As an actual wrestler back then, I was a little offended. 😃

I'm not a fan of oval racing at all. But I can actually enjoy watching Nascar cars race around road circuits which is an entirely different discipline than an Indy car or F1 car due to the weight and aero properties of the respective cars.
 
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I wouldn’t recommend anyone watch television reguarly, certainly not television news, Fox or any network. I haven’t watched television, other than sports, for more than a decade and am much better for it.

I would recommend not being afraid to watch a clip here and there, even from sources that some don’t trust.

You are easily embarrassed. I hope you can overcome that. Don’t be afraid of what someone might think of you. That can be debilitating.
I'm rarely afraid of what others might think of me (and if you knew me IRL you wouldn't argue the point). But I do care about how I'd feel about doing something I view as extremely stupid (and we all do that now and then). If I were caught watching anything from Hannity or Maddow or any of them at all, I'd feel extremely stupid and therefore embarrassed over having done something so lame.

The embarrassment is not about what others feel - it's about how I'd feel about myself.

Those political talk show hosts don't actually GAF about the crap they're spewing. They care about ratings and their incomes. I don't blame them one bit. It's entertainment and it sells great. I blame the people who tune in to them and nod along as if they're saying anything useful or meaningful.
 
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Guns? Not a win for anyone if millions are still on the streets.
NATO? Time will tell. Will certain European countries become more involved? We are providing the most weapons and money when this is not in our neighborhood.
Jobs? Not much of an opinion.
Gas prices falling? We were told they went up because of putin. After that we were told it was demand destruction. SOOOOO, seems to me putin and the drivers in the USA have brought the price down.
Zawahiri? Binden did great on this as Trump did, Obama did and Bush did. THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB.
Kansa? That was the people of the state that decided this. Biden had NOTHING to do with it. I guess Biden lost also on this issue because of the new Indiana law that takes effect on Sept. 15. Why did you not point that out? This is what the Supreme Court wanted. For WE the People to decide this issue, NOT Washington.
The bill on renewables? Time will tell who is right. Both sides saying different things and Bernie does not like it. Maybe it will be good maybe not. Time will tell. And if anyone believes this will help with inflation and reduce the deficit, WELLLLLLLL.
Price controls on some drugs? Both sides got something.
Fear mongering? EVERY, EVERY, EVERY, station does it. FOX, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC. They all do it. Why do you think people don't trust the media?
And last but not least. Have a good weekend. Carry on.

I'm sticking with my points - a bunch of wins in a row for Biden has the far-right steaming. Their thesis about Biden is up in smoke. Hannity, et al, resort to their tried and true formula - spew a bunch of lies and stir up fear about the bill. And by the way, I agree totally about all cable news stations - they all stoke up the fear. Some, however, lie more than others (Fox News). In any case, I'd rather stay away from politics. Looking forward to some of the details of the bill as it relates to EVs and renewable clean energy.
 
I'm sticking with my points - a bunch of wins in a row for Biden has the far-right steaming. Their thesis about Biden is up in smoke. Hannity, et al, resort to their tried and true formula - spew a bunch of lies and stir up fear about the bill. And by the way, I agree totally about all cable news stations - they all stoke up the fear. Some, however, lie more than others (Fox News). In any case, I'd rather stay away from politics. Looking forward to some of the details of the bill as it relates to EVs and renewable clean energy.
OK. But why didn't you bring up Indiana?
 
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I rarely afraid of what others might think of me (and if you knew me IRL you wouldn't argue the point). But I do care about how I'd feel about doing something I view as extremely stupid (and we all do that now and then). If I were caught watching anything from Hannity or Maddow or any of them at all, I'd feel extremely stupid and therefore embarrassed over having done something so lame.

The embarrassment is not about what others feel - it's about how I'd feel about myself.

Those political talk show hosts don't actually GAF about the crap they're spewing. They care about ratings and their incomes. I don't blame them one bit. It's entertainment and it sells great. I blame the people who tune in to them and nod along as if they're saying anything useful or meaningful.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, your reply suggests you care very much that others think of you as someone who doesn’t care about what others think of you.

😀
 
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Not taking the bait, and irrelevant to EVs and clean energy. If you want to make a connection between the vote-a-rama on the clean energy/medical bill, make the case. But otherwise, lets focus on EVs and clean energy here.
Not bait but an honest question. And you want to talk about EV's. ok, Why did you bring abortion, guns, drug prices, terrorists and the MSM into this?
 
This bill is just killing the far right. They have a narrative that Biden is dying or Biden can't get things done or Biden is dangerously left-wing.

And then Biden has had a recent streak of big wins - Guns, NATO, jobs report, gas prices falling, vitamixing Zawahiri, Kansas, and now a legacy bill on renewables and (finally!) implementing price controls on some drugs.

So expect a lot of whinging about awful mines are (as if they ever cared one iota) and how the energy grid is going to collapse, etc. Fear mongering is what Fox News does best.
The far right and the far left are, unfortunately, both doing very well these days, which totally sucks for ordinary people who just want better governance and haven't been, aren't, and won't be getting it.

I don't think Biden's a very good president. But I find it hilarious that Trump supporters keep making fun of Biden. Because Biden beat the snot out of Trump in the election. So if Biden is so unbelievably awful, what does that say about Trump who got crushed by him in the election. Me, I want to know when we're going to start getting candidates who don't totally suck from either side of the aisle. It's been awhile, IMO.

I'm not sure what big wins Biden has had vis-a-vis guns. I can't think of any, actually. The recent SCOTUS decision, which has nothing to do with Biden, has led to most states, like NJ, who previously made it nearly impossible for folks to obtain carry permits, to make it possible for most folks who want them to obtain them.

And the recent house legislation on semiautomatic weapons has been a mammoth win for gun manufacturers. Because, although it seems unlikely the Senate will pass the bill, at least as is, and SCOTUS will certainly shoot it down even if it did pass, folks are buying up guns like crazy right now. I spent $4K myself on Friday, to add two guns to my collection, as a hedge in case the Senate does the unexpected since it'll be a wait until the inevitable lawsuit reaches SCOTUS. And will be adding a couple more in the next couple weeks.

What I actually expect might happen, as a result of the house bill, is that a lawsuit against the ban on fully automatic weapons will wind up at SCOTUS and will be overturned. I think it was a tactical error for the House to pass that bill because gun owners, if pushed hard enough, will push back - and they are an extremely well-funded special interest group. I should point out that I'm opposed to legalizing fully automatic weapons. I'm just equally opposed to bans on most semiautomatic weapons because they're stupid and pointless and will affect all the wrong people while doing nothing to cut down on mass shootings.

Not sure what else passed that counts as a win. I mean, NYS raised the age to purchase rifles to 21. Oh, and in a fit of pure genius, they banned body armor for civilians. Because you know, banning something that prevents people from being killed when shot is a great way to prevent people from being shot.
 
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At the risk of pointing out the obvious, your reply suggests you care very much that others think of you as someone who doesn’t care about what others think of you.

😀
Clever and funny, but no, not really.

It's not that I care what people think (most of the time). It's that I care (much of the time, if I'm not just screwing around or trolling at least) about accuracy. I'll argue a point because I want to get at the correct answer and I don't actually care if it turns out I'm wrong in what I was previously arguing. I just want to try to get at the truth (which I personally believe, on most subjects, is far more elusive than most people seem to think).

Anyway, it's inaccurate, most of the time, to say I care what others think. Trust me, if you get to know me well, you'd realize the truth of that.
 
Not bait but an honest question. And you want to talk about EV's. ok, Why did you bring abortion, guns, drug prices, terrorists and the MSM into this?

Fair question. I brought them up to show how the far-right is feeling defensive and frustrated right now - they have been on the losing end for a number of battles. This includes some bipartisan items (gun bill - sorry, Mildone, NATO) and partisan (this new energy/medical bill). My point is the far right-wingers are ramping up the lies because they are feeling the pressure to change the new narratives. BTW, Mildone made a good point about the left-wing. Bernie (among others) is also pissed about this bill. IMO, if the far left- and right-wings are pissed about this bill, it's almost definitely a good bill.
 
The far right and the far left are, unfortunately, both doing very well these days, which totally sucks for ordinary people who just want better governance and haven't been, aren't, and won't be getting it.

I don't think Biden's a very good president. But I find it hilarious that Trump supporters keep making fun of Biden. Because Biden beat the snot out of Trump in the election. So if Biden is so unbelievably awful, what does that say about Trump who got crushed by him in the election. Me, I want to know when we're going to start getting candidates who don't totally suck from either side of the aisle. It's been awhile, IMO.

I'm not sure what big wins Biden has had vis-a-vis guns. I can't think of any, actually. The recent SCOTUS decision, which has nothing to do with Biden, has led to most states, like NJ, who previously made it nearly impossible for folks to obtain carry permits, to make it possible for most folks who want them to obtain them.

And the recent house legislation on semiautomatic weapons has been a mammoth win for gun manufacturers. Because, although it seems unlikely the Senate will pass the bill, at least as is, and SCOTUS will certainly shoot it down even if it did pass, folks are buying up guns like crazy right now. I spent $4K myself on Friday, to add two guns to my collection, as a hedge in case the Senate does the unexpected since it'll be a wait until the inevitable lawsuit reaches SCOTUS. And will be adding a couple more in the next couple weeks.

What I actually expect might happen, as a result of the house bill, is that a lawsuit against the ban on fully automatic weapons will wind up at SCOTUS and will be overturned. I think it was a tactical error for the House to pass that bill because gun owners, if pushed hard enough, will push back - and they are an extremely well-funded special interest group. I should point out that I'm opposed to legalizing fully automatic weapons. I'm just equally opposed to bans on most semiautomatic weapons because they're stupid and pointless and will affect all the wrong people while doing nothing to cut down on mass shootings.

Not sure what else passed that counts as a win. I mean, NYS raised the age to purchase rifles to 21. Oh, and in a fit of pure genius, they banned body armor for civilians. Because you know, banning something that prevents people from being killed when shot is a great way to prevent people from being shot.

Biden signed the gun bill on June 25. Dammit, can we just talk about EVs, please.
 
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Clever and funny, but no, not really.

It's not that I care what people think (most of the time). It's that I care (much of the time, if I'm not just screwing around or trolling at least) about accuracy. I'll argue a point because I want to get at the correct answer and I don't actually care if it turns out I'm wrong in what I was previously arguing. I just want to try to get at the truth (which I personally believe, on most subjects, is far more elusive than most people seem to think).

Anyway, it's inaccurate, most of the time, to say I care what others think. Trust me, if you get to know me well, you'd realize the truth of that.
I only care about what others think about me when they are thinking about me. And unless they tell me that they are thinking about me, how can I be upset about them thinking about me if they haven't told me they are thinking about me? And what are they thinking when thinking about me? Is it a woman who is thinking I might be great in bed OR the shower? Or is it some guy who is trying to figure out the best way to murder me? This is very confusing. Maybe I need a beer and a busty, mature, high-class escort to help me figure this out. Carry on.
 
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