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OT: Electric vehicles

Yeah, I spend much more time here, even though I like biking and similar better than watching football. Other forums get too hyper-focused on their single topic, whereas this one is delightfully ADD ... and more interesting because of it.
Back on topic, my modules for my F150 Lightning are "popping," which means a lot of the systems are installed. I've been busy on the Lightning forum the past week. Motorcraft has a link that let's you see your module progress and they indicate when you have a "tear tag," which is basically when your truck is done. Ford has things rolling nicely, but they are running into some chip delays. I may encounter a chip delay since I have the tow technology package. I am highly confident I will have my Lightning by Thanksgiving, and if lucky, by Halloween.

On the home front, we are scoping and running the wires for our home charging station. Since we have a very spread out ranch, and our circuit breaker is on the far opposite end from our garage, we have a long run of #2 wire to feed the charging unit. The wire alone is going to run me close to $1500. We are finalizing a solar quote, and we will have solar panels installed. We are going totally green here and reducing our carbon footprint. Al Gore would be proud.
 
Back on topic, my modules for my F150 Lightning are "popping," which means a lot of the systems are installed. I've been busy on the Lightning forum the past week. Motorcraft has a link that let's you see your module progress and they indicate when you have a "tear tag," which is basically when your truck is done. Ford has things rolling nicely, but they are running into some chip delays. I may encounter a chip delay since I have the tow technology package. I am highly confident I will have my Lightning by Thanksgiving, and if lucky, by Halloween.

On the home front, we are scoping and running the wires for our home charging station. Since we have a very spread out ranch, and our circuit breaker is on the far opposite end from our garage, we have a long run of #2 wire to feed the charging unit. The wire alone is going to run me close to $1500. We are finalizing a solar quote, and we will have solar panels installed. We are going totally green here and reducing our carbon footprint. Al Gore would be proud.
Holy shit... that's a long run of wire$$$
I was in a similar boat 3 years ago when I installed my level 2 charger in the garage. Panel is in the basement on the opposite side of the house from the garage. Wire (I forget the type) cost about $120. You sure you didn't accidentally add an extra 0?
 
Poorly faked, by Dan O'Dowd of Green Hills Software (a competing software firm). He probably has a lawsuit coming his way
That's one side's opinion. Here's both:


And more...
 
Also it's not clear how the Dawn Project guy is in "competition" with Tesla. Seems like a flakey guy, perhaps, who is obsessed with software reliability in general. I mean, if cars are going to be driven by software, software reliability seems kinda important.

Maybe Tesla should hire the guy to help them get their cars to stop hitting kids instead of making idle threats about lawsuits. 😉

But if the Teslerati want to claim that people who value software reliability are competing with Tesla, which would imply Tesla is somehow opposed to reliable software I guess, then they can claim it. Seems like a counter-productive claim, but whatever.
 
That guy was riding the yellow line to prevent cars from passing. He was asking for iy.
All I know was when I was a kid we always rode our bikes facing traffic. God knows when they decided to change the rules. I could always see a car coming at me and never had to worry about any cars coming up behind me.
 
Back on topic, my modules for my F150 Lightning are "popping," which means a lot of the systems are installed. I've been busy on the Lightning forum the past week. Motorcraft has a link that let's you see your module progress and they indicate when you have a "tear tag," which is basically when your truck is done. Ford has things rolling nicely, but they are running into some chip delays. I may encounter a chip delay since I have the tow technology package. I am highly confident I will have my Lightning by Thanksgiving, and if lucky, by Halloween.

On the home front, we are scoping and running the wires for our home charging station. Since we have a very spread out ranch, and our circuit breaker is on the far opposite end from our garage, we have a long run of #2 wire to feed the charging unit. The wire alone is going to run me close to $1500. We are finalizing a solar quote, and we will have solar panels installed. We are going totally green here and reducing our carbon footprint. Al Gore would be proud.
Did you check out the shape of your roof before you put on the solar panels?. Hate to have to put on a new roof in a few years after the panels are installed.
 
All I know was when I was a kid we always rode our bikes facing traffic. God knows when they decided to change the rules. I could always see a car coming at me and never had to worry about any cars coming up behind me.
I would do that where there wasn't a wide enough shoulder. And when I walk or run, I always stick to the opposite side of the road so I can see oncoming traffic.

Too many drivers texting or otherwise distracted these days. And on some country roads, the edges of the road aren't marked and are broken up, so I'm not at all reassured by the idea that software w/cameras and/or radar or other sensors will do a reliably better job of avoiding pedestrians or cyclists. Even more reason to keep an eye on oncoming traffic.
 
Did you check out the shape of your roof before you put on the solar panels?. Hate to have to put on a new roof in a few years after the panels are installed.
Roof installed late 2017. We are good there. Thanks.
 
Holy shit... that's a long run of wire$$$
I was in a similar boat 3 years ago when I installed my level 2 charger in the garage. Panel is in the basement on the opposite side of the house from the garage. Wire (I forget the type) cost about $120. You sure you didn't accidentally add an extra 0?
My electrician, who knows his stuff and is a friend, says that since we are a long run (80 ft) and we need a 100 amp breaker, and #2 wire is needed. From the subpanel to the garage, we are bumping up to #3. When I went to the supply house, 170 ft of #2 wire (3 wire) was quoted at $2200. You can't (and/or I will not) get this at Home Depot. So, no extra zero. It's only money. This going green stuff is expensive!!
 
My electrician, who knows his stuff and is a friend, says that since we are a long run (80 ft) and we need a 100 amp breaker, and #2 wire is needed. From the subpanel to the garage, we are bumping up to #3. When I went to the supply house, 170 ft of #2 wire (3 wire) was quoted at $2200. You can't (and/or I will not) get this at Home Depot. So, no extra zero. It's only money. This going green stuff is expensive!!
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how many EVs has anyone seen dead on the side of the road? Ever?
I haven't really seen any cars dead on the side of the road in recent years. But if I did, I'd be keeping my eyes on the road and not checking to see what kind of car it is. So I'd have no way of knowing if it's an EV or not. 😉
 
I thought you were a car guy? I can tell 99% of the cars (make and model) with a quick glance.

The only time I see cars broken down on the side of the road is on the Turnpike. Most tend to be older cars of various manufacture. Among the newer cars, BMWs seem to rank highly. I don't recall ever seeing a broken down Tesla, but I have seen a couple on flatbeds.
 
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I thought you were a car guy? I can tell 99% of the cars (make and model) with a quick glance.
LOL

You asked, so here's the long boring details of how my mind works when driving...

I rarely focus in that much detail on any static stuff off the road when I'm out driving. I'll focus on a car on the side just enough to determine if it's a cop or if it's about to move onto the roadway or is otherwise presents a threat. Then, unless there's some reason not to do so, my focus moves past that car. I would have to be in heavy and very slow moving traffic to actually waste time even thinking about car brand or whatever.

Certain cars on the road itself will jump out to me, be instantly recognizable because I have an interest in them. Examples are high-end sports cars, modified performance cars, unmarked patrol cars, etc. But I couldn't care less about ordinary cars like EVs or sedans or SUVs and so forth. I give them virtually no thought and wouldn't time identifying the brand/model/whatever. And no matter what the car is, any time focusing individually on an individual car will be sub-second most of the time.

Mostly, especially when driving on the highway, I don't focus on any one thing and instead see and sense patterns. When there's either a dangerous pattern or some kind of an outlier, then that will draw my attention just long enough to determine if there's a potential threat and I need to react in some way.

A really simple example is when coming up from behind in the left lane, there are common "behavioral" patterns for cars approaching slower moving cars in the right lane(s). Often there's a cue to ease up and possibly slow because a car approaching slower moving traffic is thinking about switching lanes to pass, creating potential danger either by itself or by cascade effect. There are dozens of these patterns and I'm constantly scanning ahead for them.

Another common pattern is state police who exhibit very recognizable driving patterns that help identify unmarked cars.

On country roads, it's more about scanning for slight movement (deer), or anticipating and adjusting to risk ahead (blind elevation changes, blind curves, stuff like that).
 
How was it faked? CGI?
Pressing the accelerator overrides FSD. A warning is displayed on the screen when this happens. The message warns that pressing the accelerator will override safety features.

In the Dan O'Dowd video, a warning is clearly seen on the display, but it's blurred out/ poor resolution. Shockingly, Dan has remained silent when repeatedly asked to explain the warning message that appeared. Hmmm.. wonder why. It's an embarrassingly poor fake. Sorry to disappoint you.

There are hundreds of videos on YouTube showing FSD beta successfully and safely navigating busy streets with pedestrians and cyclists. So no, Tesla's software doesn't run over pedestrians, but I'm sure there were a few dozen people hit and killed or seriously injured today by human drivers.
 
There are hundreds of videos on YouTube showing FSD beta successfully and safely navigating busy streets with pedestrians and cyclists. So no, Tesla's software doesn't run over pedestrians, but I'm sure there were a few dozen people hit and killed or seriously injured today by human drivers.
There are hundreds of videos on YouTube of humans navigating busy streets with pedestrians and cyclists too. So what? Proves nothing other than, for those instances, nobody got hurt.

And until there are as many FSD cars on the road as human-operated cars, in as many different places and conditions, then you could compare results. Until then, you're comparing apples to oranges.
 
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More Teslerati propaganda. Slurp. 🤣

Honestly, I don't understand people who shill for corporations like that. Unless they're being paid by Tesla behind the scenes. Then I understand. Otherwise, have some dignity YouTubers; jeez.

When you know someone has utterly lost an argument - they resort to ad hominem attacks. There is no substance to your reply. Good day, sir.
 
When you know someone has utterly lost an argument - they resort to ad hominem attacks. There is no substance to your reply. Good day, sir.
LOL.

So YouTubers making an ad-hominem attack on Dan O'Dowd = perfectly great. But ad-hominem attacks on undignified YouTuber shills who are making ad-hominem attacks = a lost argument?

Alrighty then. 🤣
 
When you know someone has utterly lost an argument - they resort to ad hominem attacks. There is no substance to your reply. Good day, sir.
Ha! I couldn't resist clicking show ignored content to see who you were responding to. Shocking, it's the board's biggest narcissist who put his foot in his mouth twice on the same page because he thinks he knows everything.

Then, of course he ignores all of his disproven false statements and tries to change the nature of his argument. Hey @mildone, Dan O'Dowd could use a good man like you!

Anyway, this story is over a month old. Even the mainstream media was smart enough to see it was fake and drop it.
 
Human drivers navigate with a brain and vision. Our roadways are designed with that in mind. There's no reason why multiple cameras and neural nets can't do the same one day.

There's no way it all happens at once. Eventually all vehicles may have sufficient AI and onboard compute to make all decisions rationally. But it's worth remembering that airspace is currently controlled by a combination of air to air and air to ground communications in addition to what's onboard the individual aircraft.

Aggregating nodal characteristics is a centralized function in computing.
 
I think you underestimate how many accidents there are currently.
I don't. But it's not relevant, at least not right now.

There is no automated driving technology for cars TODAY that can be operated without a human there to take over when software or sensor problems arise. It's not ready yet (and, as 4Real says, probably won't ever be until we have some semblance of V2V/V2I).

What's worse, the only technology available today is highly reliant upon a human being present and ready to alertly take over in any instant. Except that requirement for attentiveness is problematic because humans quickly lose attention and focus when attention/focus aren't required.

So if anything, the current tech, which encourages a loss of focus and attention, would do worse because it would lead to even greater numbers of inattentive humans on roads than we have today.

Once we get V2V and V2I, and the software and sensor technology has improved, then perhaps fully autonomous vehicles will indeed be safer than relying on human drivers (in the aggregate). That's the hope and it seems logical it'll work out that way.
 
Ha! I couldn't resist clicking show ignored content to see who you were responding to. Shocking, it's the board's biggest narcissist who put his foot in his mouth twice on the same page because he thinks he knows everything.

Then, of course he ignores all of his disproven false statements and tries to change the nature of his argument. Hey @mildone, Dan O'Dowd could use a good man like you!

Anyway, this story is over a month old. Even the mainstream media was smart enough to see it was fake and drop it.
LOL.

I didn't claim to know anything. I never claimed O'Dowd was correct. I just, accurately, claimed that we don't have enough facts, and so far nobody here has presented enough facts, to know if he was or wasn't correct.

Basically, I just identified biased propaganda making bold claims without actual evidence. But sure, cling to your cultish beliefs as if they're absolute facts if that makes you feel secure. 😉
 
I don't. But it's not relevant, at least not right now.

There is no automated driving technology for cars TODAY that can be operated without a human there to take over when software or sensor problems arise. It's not ready yet (and, as 4Real says, probably won't ever be until we have some semblance of V2V/V2I).

What's worse, the only technology available today is highly reliant upon a human being present and ready to alertly take over in any instant. Except that requirement for attentiveness is problematic because humans quickly lose attention and focus when attention/focus aren't required.

So if anything, the current tech, which encourages a loss of focus and attention, would do worse because it would lead to even greater numbers of inattentive humans on roads than we have today.

Once we get V2V and V2I, and the software and sensor technology has improved, then perhaps fully autonomous vehicles will indeed be safer than relying on human drivers (in the aggregate). That's the hope and it seems logical it'll work out that way.
I’m saying if we let the current tech completely take over without any human interaction it would still be safer than human drivers.
 
I’m saying if we let the current tech completely take over without any human interaction it would still be safer than human drivers.

But the number of fatal accidents involving "autonomous vehicles" would be greater than zero and the question of liability has yet to be settled.
 
I don't think it matters to Skinny since I believe he's being paid to troll the boards. The more you engage, the better it is financially for him. A scarier thought is he's not a paid troll, and actually believes the garbage he spews. In either case, it's best to ignore.
Hahaha! Yes I’m a paid troll. LOL! Can you be anymore retarded?
In reality I am not a sheep who believes ANYTHING the authorities tell me. I won’t even waste my energy arguing with your kind because it’s a waste of time, very similar to how electric cars are a waste of energy!
Go ahead, pay more for subpar car that takes longer to refuel and doesn’t have the range or reliability of a comparable ICE car. I will stick with ICE and a stick shift over an EV scam vehicle any day.
 
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