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OT: Electric vehicles

You're the guy that said "context matters".
I put your China EV sales numbers into context.
You had no idea the $5k Wuling Mini existed, nor did you know their sales #s, which, when put into CONTEXT, distorts the % of all other EV manufacturers in China.

Rather than admit your ignorance, you throw a tantrum.
Ignorant? Tantrum? Lol. Nice try. Stay salty, bud.
 
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That would be quite the feat. That would be a major increase over 2022 sales.
The article you quoted was for US sales from the Fremont, Ca factory only. Model Y is also produced in Shanghai, Austin and Berlin. Shanghai is a beast, pumping out ~50k Ys/month. Berlin and Austin are still in the early stages of production ramp, but by next year, they will also reach high volume production.
Model Y will likely be the best-selling vehicle in the world by revenue this year. Total volume next year. Amazing for a $60-70k vehicle.
 
Not changing the definition. It’s more efficient because I don’t have to go out of my way to use it. The word can be applied in different ways.
😂...this is fun. But when discussing vehicles, the word efficiency usually refers to mpg or mpge. I believe the word you're looking for is convenience. We can drop this now.
 

"The impediment is the technology. It is not about approval of that technology," said Bryant Walker Smith, a law professor at the University of South Carolina.
 


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Potentially exciting news for EVs, if it works out as advertised in the article. Not sure why he had to make it into a competitive thing with Tesla/Musk.

Longer-lived, faster charging and hopefully longer range will be good for consumers if it can be delivered at a reasonable price.
 
We see announcements like this all the time, only to never hear from these companies again.
Will Lockett forgot the most challenging part of manufacturing is MANUFACTURING.
Prototypes are easy. Profitable, volume production is insanely difficult. I wish them luck.

Why the pot shot at Tesla? Probably to generate clicks. The world needs an insane volume of batteries to transition to sustainable energy. The more the merrier.
 
@Knight Shift @jtung230 I've been enjoying your Lightning contributions. What made you choose the Lightning over Rivian? Design (headlights?), availability or something else? Based on some of the prices I'm seeing, they escalate pretty quickly from the headline 49k for the pro or even 67k for the Lariat.
 
Speaking of trucks, I saw a commercial for the new EV Silverado….was a pretty good sales pitch not gonna lie.
 
@Knight Shift @jtung230 I've been enjoying your Lightning contributions. What made you choose the Lightning over Rivian? Design (headlights?), availability or something else? Based on some of the prices I'm seeing, they escalate pretty quickly from the headline 49k for the pro or even 67k for the Lariat.
Headlights was one minor thing, the other was availability. Also, liked the fact that it was a familiar design of the time-honored F150, but everyone has a different view/want on these types of things, so whatever makes a person happy, it is right for them.

I think the prices jumped up about $7,500 for each line. The $67K for Lariat may now be closer to $75K, and that is for the standard range. You may have seen where I did the math, and the EV F150 was only $2-3K more, taking into account the Fed tax credit and no sales tax. We will recoup that based on the fuel savings (even considering the cost of electric) in the first 12-18 months easily. We will primarily charge from home, and we are doing solar, so things should work out well for us.
 
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@Knight Shift @jtung230 I've been enjoying your Lightning contributions. What made you choose the Lightning over Rivian? Design (headlights?), availability or something else? Based on some of the prices I'm seeing, they escalate pretty quickly from the headline 49k for the pro or even 67k for the Lariat.
For me, it’s pricing, Ford F-150 reputation and styling.
 
I'm not going to copy-paste the entire article, but there are a number of interesting points made. Here are a few:

1. Why do I want an electric vehicle?

Remember flip phones, fax machines and dial-up modems? You want an electric vehicle because they are generationally improved products: quieter, quicker, more refined, more efficient, offering superior vehicle dynamics, less maintenance and lower per-mile operating costs. For the millions of American commuters able to charge at home, overnight, EVs will be cheaper and more convenient. For them, recharging could take seconds a week, the time it takes to plug in before you go in the house at night. For them per-mile costs will be measured in pennies, not quarters. In one survey, four out of five new-car buyers can charge at home. You want one because EVs are better for the environment. According to the U.S. EPA, the average EV produces about two-thirds fewer emissions than an IC car in a well-to-wheel analysis, which counts emissions from producing/delivering either fuel or electricity. On a life-cycle basis—including end of use—an EV’s total emissions are less than half that of a comparable gas-powered vehicle. You want one because the preponderance of the auto industry’s genius is laser-focused on making EVs progressively more awesome while combustion technology is about as good as it will ever get. If you say it’s good enough, I have a question for you: What are you smoking?



5. What if I want a Tesla?​

Pull the trigger. The cars are awesome. Thanks to the company’s ever-growing network of fast-charging stations you can go where you like and live where you like. It certainly helps that long-range Teslas can go more than 300 miles between charges and recuperate 162 miles in 15 minutes. In a word, practical.



11. What about plug-in hybrids?​

I’m not a fan, except in Ferraris. Designed to operate for short distances in EV mode and then, as necessary, engage the gas engine, PHEVs were intended to be transitional products, literally bridging the distance between gas and electric range. In practice, PHEVs often serve power and performance, not efficiency. Some PHEVs can’t go 10 miles on electrons alone. The other issue is psychological. Studies show that PHEV users don’t plug them in very often, or at all. This negates the public good for which PHEV tax credits were awarded. Meanwhile, PHEVs have the same maintenance needs as conventional IC cars.


13. Bonus question: Is the current network of charging stations adequate?

... Anyone considering buying an EV will first want to know where to charge it. For most—about 80% of buyers in the U.S. in 2021—the answer is at home, typically overnight, or at a workplace garage. ...
 
I'm not going to copy-paste the entire article, but there are a number of interesting points made. Here are a few:

1. Why do I want an electric vehicle?

Remember flip phones, fax machines and dial-up modems? You want an electric vehicle because they are generationally improved products: quieter, quicker, more refined, more efficient, offering superior vehicle dynamics, less maintenance and lower per-mile operating costs. For the millions of American commuters able to charge at home, overnight, EVs will be cheaper and more convenient. For them, recharging could take seconds a week, the time it takes to plug in before you go in the house at night. For them per-mile costs will be measured in pennies, not quarters. In one survey, four out of five new-car buyers can charge at home. You want one because EVs are better for the environment. According to the U.S. EPA, the average EV produces about two-thirds fewer emissions than an IC car in a well-to-wheel analysis, which counts emissions from producing/delivering either fuel or electricity. On a life-cycle basis—including end of use—an EV’s total emissions are less than half that of a comparable gas-powered vehicle. You want one because the preponderance of the auto industry’s genius is laser-focused on making EVs progressively more awesome while combustion technology is about as good as it will ever get. If you say it’s good enough, I have a question for you: What are you smoking?



5. What if I want a Tesla?​

Pull the trigger. The cars are awesome. Thanks to the company’s ever-growing network of fast-charging stations you can go where you like and live where you like. It certainly helps that long-range Teslas can go more than 300 miles between charges and recuperate 162 miles in 15 minutes. In a word, practical.



11. What about plug-in hybrids?​

I’m not a fan, except in Ferraris. Designed to operate for short distances in EV mode and then, as necessary, engage the gas engine, PHEVs were intended to be transitional products, literally bridging the distance between gas and electric range. In practice, PHEVs often serve power and performance, not efficiency. Some PHEVs can’t go 10 miles on electrons alone. The other issue is psychological. Studies show that PHEV users don’t plug them in very often, or at all. This negates the public good for which PHEV tax credits were awarded. Meanwhile, PHEVs have the same maintenance needs as conventional IC cars.


13. Bonus question: Is the current network of charging stations adequate?

... Anyone considering buying an EV will first want to know where to charge it. For most—about 80% of buyers in the U.S. in 2021—the answer is at home, typically overnight, or at a workplace garage. ...
So the answer is yes. Sounds like the article is based on personal and anecdotal preferences, particularly the part about plug in hybrids. The author's viewpoint runs counter to the experience of me and @OntheBanks . I don't get the part about not plugging them in when the author goes on about how pure EV drivers mostly charge at home.
 
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I'm not going to copy-paste the entire article, but there are a number of interesting points made. Here are a few:

1. Why do I want an electric vehicle?

Remember flip phones, fax machines and dial-up modems? You want an electric vehicle because they are generationally improved products: quieter, quicker, more refined, more efficient, offering superior vehicle dynamics, less maintenance and lower per-mile operating costs. For the millions of American commuters able to charge at home, overnight, EVs will be cheaper and more convenient. For them, recharging could take seconds a week, the time it takes to plug in before you go in the house at night. For them per-mile costs will be measured in pennies, not quarters. In one survey, four out of five new-car buyers can charge at home. You want one because EVs are better for the environment. According to the U.S. EPA, the average EV produces about two-thirds fewer emissions than an IC car in a well-to-wheel analysis, which counts emissions from producing/delivering either fuel or electricity. On a life-cycle basis—including end of use—an EV’s total emissions are less than half that of a comparable gas-powered vehicle. You want one because the preponderance of the auto industry’s genius is laser-focused on making EVs progressively more awesome while combustion technology is about as good as it will ever get. If you say it’s good enough, I have a question for you: What are you smoking?



5. What if I want a Tesla?​

Pull the trigger. The cars are awesome. Thanks to the company’s ever-growing network of fast-charging stations you can go where you like and live where you like. It certainly helps that long-range Teslas can go more than 300 miles between charges and recuperate 162 miles in 15 minutes. In a word, practical.



11. What about plug-in hybrids?​

I’m not a fan, except in Ferraris. Designed to operate for short distances in EV mode and then, as necessary, engage the gas engine, PHEVs were intended to be transitional products, literally bridging the distance between gas and electric range. In practice, PHEVs often serve power and performance, not efficiency. Some PHEVs can’t go 10 miles on electrons alone. The other issue is psychological. Studies show that PHEV users don’t plug them in very often, or at all. This negates the public good for which PHEV tax credits were awarded. Meanwhile, PHEVs have the same maintenance needs as conventional IC cars.


13. Bonus question: Is the current network of charging stations adequate?

... Anyone considering buying an EV will first want to know where to charge it. For most—about 80% of buyers in the U.S. in 2021—the answer is at home, typically overnight, or at a workplace garage. ...
Author is a not very intelligent propagandist so I stopped reading at the “more refined” nonsense combined with the ”I only got my name right on my SAT” level flawed analogy with dial-up modems and flip phones.

Other than a different propulsion approach, EVs are just cars no better or worse than ICEVs and PHEVs. If it weren’t for carbon emissions and dependence upon a non-renewable natural resource, EVs wouldn’t even exist today because ICEVs and Hybrids are great.

It‘s so weird how some people must fetishsize stuff.
 
Author is a not very intelligent propagandist so I stopped reading at the “more refined” nonsense combined with the ”I only got my name right on my SAT” level flawed analogy with dial-up modems and flip phones.

Other than a different propulsion approach, EVs are just cars no better or worse than ICEVs and PHEVs. If it weren’t for carbon emissions and dependence upon a non-renewable natural resource, EVs wouldn’t even exist today because ICEVs and Hybrids are great.

It‘s so weird how some people must fetishsize stuff.
Refined my ass. A $130k for a model S is not nearly as refined as a $130k Benz
 
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