OT: Electric vehicles
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Charge overnight while you sleep.
For long distance it’s 100 miles in 10min. I never drive over 300 miles so I don’t care. If I did I would just stop for lunch,
The cybertruck, like Kanye, is going to be popular with a subset of the population... for all the wrong reasons and the look (or lol) at me nature of it. Most others will stick to more practical things like the F150 and GMC.
To each their own. I like the cybertruck to the DeLorean car. Some people like the avant garde look. I actually think some of the features of the cybertruck will be pretty cool, but the look and the yoke are deal killers for me. No amount of discussion or convincing would convince me to change, but what works for me might not work for someone else. Consumer choice is a great thing. Tesla has a loyal group of customers, and that is great for Tesla.
Nothing on CT pricing.
Glad to hear your Lightning is in route
Tesla shares closed down 1% after Elon Musk's EV firm cuts price of cars in China
Tesla cut the price of its Model 3 and Model Y in China, partly reversing price hikes earlier in the year.
didn’t Tesla just raised prices in the US?
Seems the C suite at Tesla don't look to the Teslerati for advice on how to set pricing.Tesla shares closed down 1% after Elon Musk's EV firm cuts price of cars in China
Tesla cut the price of its Model 3 and Model Y in China, partly reversing price hikes earlier in the year.www.cnbc.com
didn’t Tesla just raised prices in the US?
Anyway, all this talk of stocks and pricing is making me yuan.
It's been a few months since their last US price hike (spring 2022?), but they have been raising prices globally for 2 years. Looks like demand is waning at the current price points in China. Not sure why the hysteria in the stock. Prices are still at/near pre-pandemic levels. A majority of the EV commodity prices have fallen in the last few months as well. Lithium is still at insane levels, but steel, copper, nickel, aluminum, etc.. have come down significantly.Tesla shares closed down 1% after Elon Musk's EV firm cuts price of cars in China
Tesla cut the price of its Model 3 and Model Y in China, partly reversing price hikes earlier in the year.
didn’t Tesla just raised prices in the US?
Tesla has been a disrupter in the auto business which includes sales and pricing. Their dynamic pricing model is interesting but I wonder if it will work in the long run. Model 3 and Y should get a boost in the US with the federal tax credit.
stock prices still have a long way to go to falling back in line with reality. especially companies like tesla who have a lot of hype based investors who react to the smallest pieces of news, rather than paying attention to fundamentals.
Analysis: Biden's EV minerals cash fruitless without permitting reform
Washington's growing financial support for companies that produce metals used in electric vehicles will likely prove fruitless unless the federal government streamlines the mine permitting process, investors, executives and consultants told Reuters.
www.reuters.com
Tesla cuts China prices by up to 9% as analysts warn of 'price war'
Tesla has cut starter prices for its Model 3 and Model Y cars by as much as 9% in China, reversing a trend of increases across the industry amid signs of softening demand in the world's largest auto market.
www.reuters.com
I believe it was Warren Buffet who said "In the short term, the stock market is a voting machine, in the long term, a weighing machine"
Tesla's fundamentals are rock solid. They're sitting on a mountain of cash with no debt and still able to grow the business and generate profits amidst a global pandemic, supply chain and logistics nightmares.
This is too dense for me. That’s why I’m hiring an electrician for this. I am reading a lot on the F150 lighting forum about the manual transfer switch and using the truck as a portable generator. This is significantly cheaper than the intelligent backup power. Plus, Sunrun is ghosting me.
You have a good electrician?
I'm glad to have a friend who is a retired union electrician and still licensed. I learn a lot from him--most importantly, call a professional to do the wiring!!!
Seems Rivian is having a tonneau problems.
jalopnik.com
Rivian Temporarily Discontinues R1T's Powered Tonneau Cover Because It Keeps Breaking
For now, reservation holders will have to choose a manual tonneau that stows in the Gear Tunnel or none at all, and the powered one can't be optioned later.
jalopnik.com
See? EVs are garbage!!! Who would want to own garbage????? 😜Seems Rivian is having a tonneau problems.
Rivian Temporarily Discontinues R1T's Powered Tonneau Cover Because It Keeps Breaking
For now, reservation holders will have to choose a manual tonneau that stows in the Gear Tunnel or none at all, and the powered one can't be optioned later.
I just installed the Gator EFX cover yesterday. Took 25 min and was only $800. Will let you know if it flys off on the hwy.
And people wonder why I leave such large gaps to the car ahead of me. 😀
That's the hard trifold one? It's $699 on Amazon. Was there a reason you went for the trifold, and not a recoil one?
Two other questions:
1. Did you do an extended warranty? This Ford Dealer has a good deal on them:
Ford Extended Warranty - Ford Protect
Buy Ford PremiumCare Extended Warranty at wholesale pricing. Pay just over dealer cost and receive genuine Ford Parts and service Coverage.
grangerfordextendedwarranty.com
2. Did you do ceramic coating on your Lightning?
Yes, trifold for $699 (typo) on realtruck.com. No real reason other than I googled and this came up as best overall and easy to install. Did not get the extended and no ceramic coating. I called a place about ceramic coating but cheaped out. Big turnoff was hand wash only after the coating.That's the hard trifold one? It's $699 on Amazon. Was there a reason you went for the trifold, and not a recoil one?
Two other questions:
1. Did you do an extended warranty? This Ford Dealer has a good deal on them:
Ford Extended Warranty - Ford Protect
Buy Ford PremiumCare Extended Warranty at wholesale pricing. Pay just over dealer cost and receive genuine Ford Parts and service Coverage.
2. Did you do ceramic coating on your Lightning?
'It's a scam': Even after $100 billion, self-driving cars are going nowhere
Six years after companies started offering autonomous rides and almost 20 years after the first self-driving demos, there are few AVs on the road. Why?www.autoblog.com
These articles make me laugh.
From 1990-2003 the US spent $3B mapping human DNA. Had someone used the above thought process in 2002 the money spent would have been considered a "waste". Fast forward 20 years and the return on this investment is estimated at over 3/4 of trillion dollars ($796B) or $141 dollars of return for every $1 spent on R+D. I am sure the exercise as is described in the above article regarding autonomous vehicles could be done/could have been done with scientific breakthroughs in personal computing, GPS technology, etc.
In 20 years I certainly believe that R+D being done today with autonomous/self driving vehicles will more than pay for today's investment. History is our best indicator of that belief.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.13187
https://web.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/project/economics.shtml
How Far Can You Tow With an Electric Truck?
We hitched a 9,000-pound trailer to a 2021 Rivian R1T EV pickup to find out how towing affects range.www.motortrend.com
Sure are a lot of tests for something as singularly rare as towing 🤣🤣
You might be the only guy on Earth who wants such a contradictory hunk of shit.
Keep sleeping.
Yeah, not really designed well "for both." Or either.
Will however be an interesting test case on the degree to which the world is as actively vapid and image-obsessed as it seems.
While I'm not a fan of calling the money spent a waste, I have to point out that the research for mapping the human genome and the research into fully automated driving are not particularly analogous things in terms of potential benefits or achievability.
Mapping the human genome was considered an achievable goal. The thinking was that it was achievable, but would take a while. The time-estimates failed to properly factor in the exponential nature of Moore's law and its impact upon that specific research. And the potential benefits of the human genome project were (and still are) vast - probably well beyond our current understanding.
Whereas the potential benefits of fully automated driving, even when taking a highly optimistic view of potential outcomes, are numerous, but far more limited. And the achievability of fully automated driving without V2X are highly debatable. Some unbiased but qualified folks (i.e. those not trying to use it as a marketing/sales pitch) argue it's not achievable without V2X at all.
I think it's achievable even without V2X. But probably not for a long time due to certain physical constraints for the tech that aren't factors in CPU or GUP or DRAM development. Yes, the tech is improving very rapidly, but not as rapidly as the aforementioned technologies, which were all that was needed to greatly speed up the genome mapping solution.
Ultimately, I think a valid argument can be made that some of the research spending, that which is primarily focused upon achieving fully automated driving prior to the infrastructure development for V2X, could be considered inefficient as compared to instead being spent on development of that V2X infrastructure and V2X standards first. And then, all the spending on fully automated driving becomes much more efficient because the achievability becomes as well established as that for mapping the human genome.
Does Tesla have a history of putting out shit products? Just the opposite, they're industry leading. Highly unlikely CT will be any different. Don't let personal bias blind you to the facts.
well, the many well documented instances of build quality issues with tesla's would support the idea that tesla has a history of putting out shit products...but you obvs don't want to acknowledge that.
1. I didn't say it was shit. I said it was not well-designed for either purpose you presented.
2. I don't have any bias. I like some Teslas, think the Cybertruck and yoke are fashion-over-function nonsense.
If you must be so defensive and/or accusatory in a simple discussion about future products, please aim for some vague accuracy.
Well documented...lol
When you can't knock Tesla's range, powertrain efficiency, battery efficiency, thermal management, software and software updates, safety, charging network...etc, get the ruler out and measure millimeters on panel gaps. 👍
You don't like the aesthetics of CT and are jumping to the conclusion that it's some PR stunt and only image obsessed, vapid people will own. That's not Tesla's product history. It's going to be a very useful, fun, efficient vehicle, just like the rest of their lineup with the exception that this one will look like it came off a sci-fi movie set That's all I'm saying.
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Maybe GPS would be the better analogy. I'm not sure when the US was putting satellites in to space with this infant technology in the 60's and 70's anyone envisioned a $1.4T "product" that steers drivers in cities and on highways, helps packages get to their destinations efficiently, helps farmers plant crops and assists with power and telecommunications networks.
I guess my only point is while we are seemingly decades away from a "self driving country" I have little doubt that my 20 year old will live in a country where not only is that a reality, but also be a beneficiary of an industry/technology that generates trillions of dollars.
Tangentially, it is why I am angered (in my opinion) that the US is lagging countries like China and Germany in "clean tech". We ceded four years of head start in that industry to other nations (imo). There will certainly be the next "Google", the next "Microsoft" the next "Amazon" and yes the next "Tesla" in new and emerging industries. We may have lost leads we once had in industries we led in like automotive and steel, but we were never net importers at the onset of any significant industrial or technological industry. Clean tech may be the first. But I digress.
It is definitely part of Tesla's product history.
In the case of the CT, it directly interferes with basic capability and practicality, which are important for a pickup.
Toyota chickens out. 😀
www.motortrend.com
Toyota Reportedly Hits Panic Button, Will Overhaul Slow EV Sales Strategy
CEO Toyoda's vision of being a "department store" of powertrains is getting blotted out by the industry's all-electric frenzy.
I’m feeling a bit more optimistic on this topic. The Inflation Reduction Act has a number of programs designed to facilitate clean tech in this country. We are already seeing a surge in battery production plants here in the USA. The USA is also limiting advanced chip design with China. I do see your point - there is tremendous worldwide competition for clean tech. I just think we will being well on clean tech development going forward.
Hey look guys! Skinny decided to start his own EV bashing thread... we should go thread bomb his like he did to this one.
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