I hate the model Y. Not my cup of tea. But 9k off on a model 3 would be a done deal.
OT: Electric vehicles
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Sorry, I assumed you needed an SUV.
The thought of YOU buying a Tesla just made me lol. Seriously though, you'd love it. Hopefully the new fed credit passes soon.
What's the story with the NJ credit?
Why? I always like their product but just think it’s too expensive to be mass market. That’s the reason I don’t like the stock. I priced out solar with battery wall and model X. But none of it made economic sense. NJ EV tax credit had limited funds and was used up by mid Sept.
Over the weekend, Tesla had an open house for the new Berlin-Brandenburg factory. Production should begin Nov/Dec this year. Check out the evolution of how Tesla is doing battery packs.
OLD BATTERY PACK USING MODULES AND 2170 CELLS.
NEW "STRUCTURAL" BATTERY PACK USING NEW 4680 CELLS.
With modules, the batteries had to be carted along with the vehicle (dead weight) adding additional weight and manufacturing complexity. Additional structural components had to be engineered around the modules .
With the new packs, the batteries have become part of the vehicle structure themselves. Batteries are bonded to an upper and lower face sheet creating an extremely rigid honeycomb structure at the base of the vehicle. This new design, along with the new 4680 cells will reduce vehicle weight and improve handling by bringing more of the mass to the center of the vehicle. The 4680 cells will have a higher energy density than existing cells, more range, and increased fast charging speed.
OLD BATTERY PACK USING MODULES AND 2170 CELLS.
NEW "STRUCTURAL" BATTERY PACK USING NEW 4680 CELLS.
With modules, the batteries had to be carted along with the vehicle (dead weight) adding additional weight and manufacturing complexity. Additional structural components had to be engineered around the modules .
With the new packs, the batteries have become part of the vehicle structure themselves. Batteries are bonded to an upper and lower face sheet creating an extremely rigid honeycomb structure at the base of the vehicle. This new design, along with the new 4680 cells will reduce vehicle weight and improve handling by bringing more of the mass to the center of the vehicle. The 4680 cells will have a higher energy density than existing cells, more range, and increased fast charging speed.
So Lucid isn't using stressed-member battery packs?
And this car doesn't exist?
2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition: Brilliance Out of Nowhere
A clean-sheet design with critical components built in-house results in an impressive debut effort.
Also, you never explained yourself re: the stupid airplane video. What's your point? What is that video supposed to prove?
Lucid is using modules.So Lucid isn't using stressed-member battery packs?
And this car doesn't exist?
2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition: Brilliance Out of Nowhere
A clean-sheet design with critical components built in-house results in an impressive debut effort.www.caranddriver.com
Also, you never explained yourself re: the stupid airplane video. What's your point? What is that video supposed to prove?
Lucid is still in pre-production. They have yet to deliver a vehicle.
Lucid Air - Road and Track - 10/8/21
From the article you'll see:
Peter Rawlinson has yet to reveal the batter size in the dream edition
Yet to reveal curb weight
Quick charge software isn't fully operational
Also sounds like they have front end suspension issues to sort through.
In closing, prototypes are easy, production is hard.
I am amazed at what Tesla is doing but this video is silly and arranging for this video was sophomoric - Sorry
What is it that you want us to take away from that apparently meaningless video clip? I'd argue that is nothing to do with EVs at all, other than the purely coincidental fact that there's an EV being shown, which might as well have been any of dozens of motor vehicles of all kinds.
IOW's, it could've been a video of a super-tanker and a sailboat, or a fighter jet and a Lamborghini and be equally as non-meaningful.
I wouldn't put it that strongly. I am not a fan of their styling for sure. But it's in the eye of the beholder.
I would say that the most recent rendition of the Model S is less problematic, style-wise, for me than the X and Y. The rear and rear-quarter views of the S are okay, even the side view if viewed from close to street level. It's the rest of the angles of view for which I lack appreciation.
But that's just my opinion. My favorite car, that I own, has styling that can be pretty polarizing; one of my best friends thinks it's ugly 😃. But to me it's a timeless work of art, poetry in motion. And I've felt that way about all but one of the generations of the car going way, way back.
So each to their own. The only important thing is how it looks to its owner.
How dare he utter such sacrilege. The Teslarati hordes might be storming his digital gates as we speak.
The example that C&D reviewed was a production version. None have been delivered to customers, yet. That doesn't mean they're not building them.
And you still haven't explained the stupid airplane video. Tell us - what were we supposed to get from that?
I get the sense you don't know. You saw it and thought it was somehow cool and would impress people. You neglected to comprehend the fact that there are 100 cars on the market that can outrun a Cessna 172.
Tesla is shifting to a giant, single piece castings used for the front and rear underbody of the vehicles.
What was once over 70 pieces of metal that required dozens of robots, welds, rivets, and adhesives, is now down to 1 piece for the front and rear. The Tesla material science team developed the unique aluminum alloy that does not require any additional heat treatment after casting.
This is the "Giga Press" machine that Tesla purchased from the Italian company Idra. Liquid metal alloy is injected into the mold and using 6,000 tons of force, forms the casting. Tesla has 8 of these at the Berlin plant. They are also using these machines in Fremont and Shanghai for the rear of the Model Y.
What was once over 70 pieces of metal that required dozens of robots, welds, rivets, and adhesives, is now down to 1 piece for the front and rear. The Tesla material science team developed the unique aluminum alloy that does not require any additional heat treatment after casting.
This is the "Giga Press" machine that Tesla purchased from the Italian company Idra. Liquid metal alloy is injected into the mold and using 6,000 tons of force, forms the casting. Tesla has 8 of these at the Berlin plant. They are also using these machines in Fremont and Shanghai for the rear of the Model Y.
I think we're being intentionally trolled by the Teslarati. 😃
Maybe I should post up videos of the Porsche assembly lines. Or the Ford assembly lines. Because apparently posting marketing hyperbole for a particular brand is the cool thing to do now. 😉
Maybe I should post up videos of the Porsche assembly lines. Or the Ford assembly lines. Because apparently posting marketing hyperbole for a particular brand is the cool thing to do now. 😉
And yet still no comment on the stupid airplane video.
I think I just figured out what happened to the poster formerly known as Cleanwave.
I think I just figured out what happened to the poster formerly known as Cleanwave.
"We’re unable to test the claim, despite a 350-kW Electrify America charging oasis in Tempe, because our pre-production model’s quick-charge software isn’t fully operational."
The fact that Lucid won't reveal the size of their pack or their curb weight makes it seem like they're further away than what they're saying. Why the secrecy if these cars are in production?
You may want to check who posted the airplane clip.
The C&D article gives details on the size of the Lucid Air battery pack.
Shouldn't an EV enthusiast like yourself be reading up on all of the new EV's? Or do you only care about Teslas?
Car & Driver is *the* preeminent automotive publication in the U.S. Certainly such an outspoken authority as yourself reads it, regularly.
I posted the Lucid article. I'm concerned they're taking the path of Nikola and Lordstown.
Lucid is happy to tell everyone they have a 520 mi range vehicle. Curb weight and pack size? Big secret. Smells fishy.
you clearly don't read the articles about Lucid then.
2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition R Exclusive First Drive: Mic Drop!
Lucid Motors’ excellent electric luxury sedan—its first-ever car, by the way—is absolutely a serious threat to Tesla and other luxury carmakers.
2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition: Brilliance Out of Nowhere
A clean-sheet design with critical components built in-house results in an impressive debut effort.
First look and test-drive with the Lucid Air Dream Edition: An addictively speedy work of art
I was able to catch a glimpse behind the scenes at Lucid's facilities where the Air sedan is being produced and test-drive a Dream Edition.
electrek.co
Why would those things matter if the car drives well and goes long distances between charges? Nobody is positioning the Lucid as a track day car, are they? As long as it drives comfortably and goes a long way between charges, why should anybody care?
You think Rolls Royce buyers are prioritizing the weight of the car? You think they know or care? You think large SUV owners know or care what their vehicle weighs?
If weight is the priority, then you buy something light. Like a Lotus.
You're just cherry picking at stuff because you don't want to talk about range all of a sudden.
The Teslarati believe that Car & Driver is part of the Deep State and that they have TDS (Tesla Derangement Syndrome).
Certainly not a Tesla fanboy but the mega press is yet another game changer. After looking at Mach E/ Volks ID4 sales (and other Tesla Competition to date), the two giant Tesla factories getting ready to open and the seemingly insurmountable lead in vehicle software - I am starting to be swayed that the Tesla lead is so huge that most other auto companies will likely not be around by the late 2020's.Tesla is shifting to a giant, single piece castings used for the front and rear underbody of the vehicles.
What was once over 70 pieces of metal that required dozens of robots, welds, rivets, and adhesives, is now down to 1 piece for the front and rear. The Tesla material science team developed the unique aluminum alloy that does not require any additional heat treatment after casting.
This is the "Giga Press" machine that Tesla purchased from the Italian company Idra. Liquid metal alloy is injected into the mold and using 6,000 tons of force, forms the casting. Tesla has 8 of these at the Berlin plant. They are also using these machines in Fremont and Shanghai for the rear of the Model Y.
I'm a little hesitant to post anything EV-related about China. The Chicoms seem determined to roll back capitalism, so weird things may happen there that end up torpedoing Telsa's China operations. But for now, full steam ahead.
you don't understand how that kind of economic system works then. if the chinese decide to kill private industry and turn everything into an overtly state owned enterprise, you would see more EV's turned out than anywhere in the world. they may be giant pieces of crap, but they would exist. See: Lada.
Tesla took 12 years to build 100,000 cars. China's Xpeng and Nio took about half that time
China's electric car companies are racing to ramp up production, faster than Tesla did in its early days.
stop pissing in their wheaties!Tesla took 12 years to build 100,000 cars. China's Xpeng and Nio took about half that time
China's electric car companies are racing to ramp up production, faster than Tesla did in its early days.www.cnbc.com
actually...keep pissing.
Lucid claims 520 mi range from a 113 kWh pack. I believe this is a lie. There's some math you can do with amp hours and volts to see 113 kWh doesn't make sense, but I'll spare you the details and put my tin hat back on.you clearly don't read the articles about Lucid then.
2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition R Exclusive First Drive: Mic Drop!
Lucid Motors’ excellent electric luxury sedan—its first-ever car, by the way—is absolutely a serious threat to Tesla and other luxury carmakers.www.motortrend.com
2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition: Brilliance Out of Nowhere
A clean-sheet design with critical components built in-house results in an impressive debut effort.
First look and test-drive with the Lucid Air Dream Edition: An addictively speedy work of art
I was able to catch a glimpse behind the scenes at Lucid's facilities where the Air sedan is being produced and test-drive a Dream Edition.
After all, it's impossible for an EV startup to pull a hustle. Lordstown Motors and Nikola were completely legit. That couldn't possibly happen again.
and why are you a more authoritative source than a prominent, well respected publication that had a staffer do a real world drive with the car? because you can't believe that someone other than Tesla can be good at it?
Lol... because physics. Still no curb weight either. How can a car that is about to go into production use approximations like "around" and "close to" when asked about the vehicle weight?
GM had deals with both Nikola and Fraudstown Motors. Is GM prominent? Seems like they got duped.
If Lucid is legit, Mercedes S class, BWM 7 series, and other luxury ICE are the brands that should be nervous, not Tesla. Tesla is doing just fine.
It's all good though. I'm crazy. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
