you're sidestepping your first assertion that you doubt the Lucid's range. all of a sudden we're talking about curb weight once said prominent publication verified the truthfulness to that claim, and the EPA being the one to verify the original claim. you and your teslarati compatriots are moving goalposts whenever someone disproves your propaganda. normally, i would say quit while you're ahead...but you've never been ahead. you've been talking out of your behind the entire thread and the previous locked thread.
OT: Electric vehicles
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you were the one who was arguing with mildone about curb weight and how it works with respect to handling before, no? i don't think you're any sort of authority on curb weight and unsprung weight to be able to be dismissive. however...real world driving...which the two journos from MT did...says that you do get 500 miles or so. you are still avoiding that real world info. so...5000lbs or 5500lbs or 55000lbs...clearly doesn't matter with respect to their claim of getting 500 miles of range. they did it. you're whining. you should be happy about it if you're a true EV enthusiast. but you're not. you're dismissing it because St. Elon didn't do it...someone else did.
next time you start an EV thread. don't be so obtuse about it. just call it a Tesla thread.
Tesla took 12 years to build 100,000 cars. China's Xpeng and Nio took about half that time
China's electric car companies are racing to ramp up production, faster than Tesla did in its early days.www.cnbc.com
This article would carry more weight if one compared the size of market for getting to 100K sales - then versus now.
I'm not arguing about range. I'm claiming Lucid is lying about the size of their pack. The EPA did not test the supposed 520mi Lucid. They tested the performance model.
To achieve 520 mi range on a 5,200+ lb vehicle with a 113 kWh pack is bullshit. That is my argument.
Although Nikola and Lordstown Motors have nothing to do with Lucid, this wouldn't be the first time an EV startup made outrageous claims about vehicles that have yet to be produced. So, there is a very recent precedent which amplifies my skepticism.
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If you combine the pre- and post-meal legs of our journey, 205 plus 204 miles, that adds up to a 409-mile trip. The 2021 Tesla Model S Long Range's range rating according to the EPA: 405 miles. And yes, both 2022 lucid airs made it to San Francisco with plenty of juice left in their "tanks." My Lucid showed 69 miles of range remaining, and Rawlinson's was good for another 107. Why the discrepancy? The Lucid CEO is much better than I am at hypermiling. I just drove with my usual lead foot and checked out the various seat-massage modes. After we looked at some lovely vintage watches (the $140,000 Rolex "Platona" platinum Daytona caught my overzealous eye), we hopped back in the Airs and drove an additional 36 miles to Lucid's headquarters in Newark, California.
I rode in the Air's spacious rear seat and had Lickfold chauffeur me. We spoke about how he's been with Lucid for more than six years and about how the company went through some dark times getting to today. He feels it's been worth it. Not wanting to show my hand, I silently agreed with him. But what a fantastic machine Lucid has created. Once we arrived, my limo still had 30 miles of range on the clock, and Rawlinson's car amazingly had 72. This meant my 2022 lucid air Dream Edition R had the potential to go 475 miles, whereas Rawlinson's could have traveled 517 miles on a single charge. That's a gauntlet dropped at the feet of you know who. Also, remember range anxiety? As with the internal combustion engine, it's a thing of the past."
Article is telling you competition is coming fast. Tesla has a nice lead but it will shrink at a fast rate.
Good. I'm 100% in favor of lots of EV competition. The USA and the world can get to 100% new ZEV sales much quicker than many expected even a year ago.
Tesla is fine. They are in a commanding position.
Agree that Tesla as a company is fine but the stock is a different story.
Lucid isn't Lordstown or Nikola, nor has it ever been. Trevor Milton sounded like a huckster to begin with, a step above Quant/Nanoflowcell.
Lucid has started production and has been EPA-rated at 520 miles. Should be something you're celebrating, as such an open-minded EV fan, no?
If it's true, I will bust out my pom poms. I promise.
Still hard to get around those specs. 5200+lbs, 520 mi range, 113kWh.
Physics is the law. Everything else is a recommendation.
A) "Physics" doesn't mean what you think it means.
B) You've missed a key detail of the Lucid powertrain which has a direct impact on range.
I drive a Tesla and Lucid is my biggest stock position gamble. Can’t we all just get along?
I might have already posted a video about Porsche's assembly process, which is cool not because it's Porsche but because it's an excellent view into how a modern automotive assembly line works, with robotics and all. It's broadly interesting to anybody interested in how cars are built, despite clearly being a bit of Porsche propaganda.
But I'm not about to plaster a thread with incessant fanboy posts about any manufacturer, the way some of you Teslarati do. Because, IMO, that's just screwed up behavior, unless it's in a forum specifically catering to that manufacturer. It's actually a behavior that's banned in many forums (excessive shilling of any kind for any product or brand).
It's honestly weird to me that you don't understand that. You're not stupid. So for the life of me, I cannot understand why you don't get it.
To be fair, most of us do get along pretty well. I think we just have a couple folks here who are a little over-excited by their chosen cars. 🙂
Who cares what a communist copy cat company "says" they have done. Very Very bad comparison.Tesla took 12 years to build 100,000 cars. China's Xpeng and Nio took about half that time
China's electric car companies are racing to ramp up production, faster than Tesla did in its early days.
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It's a well-known fact that WLTP is more generous than EPA.
Range gate? Who are these informed morons you retweet?
A perfectly fine comparison. No one talks about Ford, GM, Toyota, VW being "copycat" automakers since they weren't first. And Tesla isn't even first modern production EV in the world.
UK Proposes Law To Switch Off EV Home Chargers During Peak Hours
The UK's Department of Transport has proposed a law stipulating that EV chargers installed at home or the office may not function for up to nine hours a day.
That’s interesting. As rapid EV adoption takes place here in the US, I won’t be surprised to see problems arise with our power grid too. Not a problem if one has plenty of excess charge after work. But if someone with low battery capacity wants a single car, has a long commute, and wants to drive around after work, that would be pretty annoying.UK Proposes Law To Switch Off EV Home Chargers During Peak Hours
The UK's Department of Transport has proposed a law stipulating that EV chargers installed at home or the office may not function for up to nine hours a day.insideevs.com
If this gets passed it will be the first of many ways the gov't will control your car. If you remember, NEST turned down the heat in people's houses in Texas this winter at the request of the govt.
The electric grid won't be able to handle a big increase in demand from all of the new ev's, especially out west.
The people who bought their Nest thermostat from their utility provider (at a significant discount) has signed on for that type of connectivity in NJ as well. If you buy it separately, I don't think the utility providers have permission.
I don’t understand why Tesla enthusiasts assume that everyone on Earth will want to drive a Tesla. Look around you on the road. There is not a single auto manufacturer that dominates. Some people like Kia. Some Mercedes. Some GMC. Tesla can build a dozen factories and that doesn’t mean Teslas will own the road.
partially because they think this is the Apple business model with the iphone. funny thing about that is, despite all its hype and media coverage, apple is not the biggest cell phone manufacturer in the world. they are #2 in a very fractured market.
I don’t believe the Apple model applies. People tend to buy phones for the features/UI and not the exterior look of the phone especially since they are usually in a protective phone case. For the most part all smartphones look alike from two feet away. Not to mention $1000 for a phone, that’s likely subsidized by a carrier, is much different than the cost of a car. And, I couldn’t tell you whether any of my closest friends have an iPhone or Samsung. Whereas, the exterior look and price are what ultimately sells a car because the world will see you riding in it and it’s a much larger monthly payment. In that regard some people fancy a Mercedes and some a BMW. Some a Kia and some a Ford. The only way the Tesla/Apple comparison may work is if the exterior of all EV cars essentially looked the same and were priced the same.
I completely agree. But there is a subset of the Teslarati who think that Tesla is the Apple of the automotive world, where their product will be seemingly ubiquitous, contrary to facts.
Tesla enthusiasts also ignore the role SUVs play in the U.S. The Model X is not a substitute for a Yukon or Navigator. Or minivan for that matter. Or pick-up truck.
Stop being a tool and looking for a fight.
I wasn't cheerleading. There was no propaganda. I posted some interesting pictures of how the manufacturing process is evolving, along with an explanation. A 6,000 ton casting press is a pretty cool machine.
But once the nukes are shut down the sun will always shine and the wind will always blow. Storage capacity? We're woke. We don't need no stinkin' storage capacity. The righteousness of our beings will prevent any problems.
The utility company control of smart thermostats is an "opt in" program. Nobody's home temperatures were altered without their permission.
