Stupid Fanboi Chart is Stupid.
The VW ID.4 only became available in Q3. The eTron GT and Mach-E not much before that, if at all.
The VW ID.4 only became available in Q3. The eTron GT and Mach-E not much before that, if at all.
OT: Electric vehicles
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You know if you were in a Catholic elementary school the nuns would do a number on your knuckles with a ruler for saying that.
they tried to make them look too aggressive and sell the sexiness of the underpowered generic family sedan. need to dress more modestly and have good family values.
When it comes to stocks, I do everything in my power to maintain a realistic perspective of the situation, with heavy doses of skepticism built in, giving me the best chance to make smart decisions with my money.
But I guess another way to go is to focus entirely on only positive news and positive projections, ignoring and/or dismissing everything else. Surely a wise approach to investing.
To be fair, the Camry engine is used in Lotuses to good effect. So while they're underpowered in the Camry perhaps, they're capable of a lot more.
But yes, they probably should dress the Camry more modestly and work on it's values. If Toyota works hard enough, it could possibly one day overtake the Honda Accord as the official car of the RU football forum. Maybe. Probably not.
most everyone in the press likes it. unfortunately most people can't afford one.
I fully admit that Tesla’s deliveries are impressive but that chart can be interpreted in an entirely different way. It shows how many manufacturers are chasing Tesla and if the market is truly forward looking it must realize that Tesla’s market share cannot possibly grow at the current rate. Those competitors are just getting started and even moderate success will negatively impact Tesla.
if the complete dataset was sliced a different way...could accurately say that Tesla is losing in ROW sales.
To compliment them is to speak ill of St. Elon. Damn Buddhists. Or is it Shinto.
More interesting stats would be:
1. How many buyers were going to buy a Tesla but changed their minds.
2. Has customer propensity to buy a Tesla decreased based on the availability of competing manufacturers/models?
I think the Teslas are great (despite my taunting replies to the fanboys). I expect Tesla will do well for the foreseeable future.
However, I also think that the various competitors will catch up eventually and quite possibly overtake Tesla, if not one v one, via combined effort across different segements. They've mostly all been in business a long time and as the ICE market dries up, will be strongly motivated to be a big presence in EVs - just when EV sales are taking over from ICE sales.
I also think that, unless Tesla decides to up their luxury game, and their prices, the luxury market will wind up dominated by the same luxury auto-makers that dominate luxury auto sales today. That market has lower sales volume, but also has people for whom 200K for a car is not a big deal.
Anything can happen. But all this seems likely to me. A head start is great but it doesn't ensure limitless market dominance. There was a time when Toyotas were considered crap and now look at them.
Very true. But Palm, or US Robotics, weren't led by a God-like figure such as Elon. So it's not a valid comparison.
The Touring trim level, when it comes in mid-22, will compete directly with the Model S.
"Tesla leads global EV sales with 386 000 units (all BEV) delivered during H1, followed by the Volkswagen Group with 332 000 units, thereof 172 700 BEVs and 159 400 PHEVs. GM comes in 3rd with 227 000 units (221k were BEV), including over 180k of Mini-EVs from their SGMW joint venture in China. Growth was robust in all product segments except for sportscars. In the product segment mix, the trend is from sedans and compacts into SUVs. Most striking, though, is the re-bound of mini-EVs in China, now at ultra-affordable prices of 30-60 000 RMB. Read Wuling Hongguang Mini EV, Great Wall Ora R1, Chery eQ, SAIC Roewe Clever, Baojun and others. Around 300 000 units of them were sold during H1, a quarter of all NEV sales in China. They offer a long due improvement over countless, dodgy Low-Speed Vehicles from the earlier days, which are now banned by regulators. The new breed is exempted from some M1 vehicle requirements, often receives no subsidies but is, nevertheless, counted in the Chinese NEV tally."
World Archive - EV Volumes
www.ev-volumes.com
you want to make it sound like they're so far ahead. they're not.
Gotta love the moving goalposts.
So true. An upstart may come along in 10 or 20 years and clean Tesla's clock. Whatever, that new firm produces, it will likely be a killer app that Tesla ignored.
OTOH, Microsoft and Apple keep staying on top, so that's a possibility, too.
Tesla will continue to grow rapidly (two new plants coming on line soon make this a virtual guarantee) and at the same time see eroding market share.
At $169,000, I would hope so.
Edit: I think the Lucid, is pretty freaking amazing.
But if do the Tesla math and factor in 100 years of savings, it’ll be like $90k.
Microsoft and Apple were the upstarts.
Tesla is more analogous to the Electronic Controls Company. Surely you’ve heard of them? No?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckert–Mauchly_Computer_Corporation
Moving what goal posts? Read the history in the thread. I've always referred to global sales. You Tesla worshipers like to use selective data because that's what fits your religious narrative.
Until recently I was a total Tesla Skeptic. (check my posts). But no Longer. The Id4 and and Mach E are just not competitive. And that does not even consider the horrible charging network they are strapped with. Once the new Tesla factories open and the efficiency of the Mega Presses are realized game over for the followers. They waited too long.
Now this interests me... since this wouldn't be a daily driver or a long road trip car... range anxiety does not apply. Daddy wants a new toy.
www.autoblog.com
Piech GT electric sports car prepares for 2024 launch
Piech GT electric sports car gets a 2024 launch date. It's the production version of the Mark Zero that was shown at the 2019 Geneva Motor Show.
www.autoblog.com
And how much less would the demand be in Europe if Germany hadn't been closing nukes for the last 10-12 years. Maybe all those anti-nuke fanatics should volunteer to go without heat this winter.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/07/europe-is-now-a-hostage-to-russia-over-energy.html
See what happens when you let a pre-teen, now teenage and likely to win the Nobel Peace Prize, Aspergers sufferer used a prop by the woke and cool run your energy policy?
See what happens when you let a pre-teen, now teenage and likely to win the Nobel Peace Prize, Aspergers sufferer used a prop by the woke and cool run your energy policy?
the kids call it molly now. he can walk into a tesla dealer and ask for some molly.
Yeah, but the Tesla Dealer gets it from me. And I get it from the kids.
Don't tell anyone.
They refreshed both the S and X. S was given priority. New X production just started.
Gross automotive margin was 28.4% in q2. That number is unheard of for a car company. Wouldn't be surprised if we see >30% this quarter.
You're correct about the giga presses and Tesla's manufacturing advantage. Everyone knows about Tesla vehicles, not everyone is aware how Tesla builds a vehicle. What other automaker is eliminating the body shop from production lines? Hundreds of robots, parts, and manufacturing steps....Gone. A model 3 is built in 10 hours; a VW ID.3 more than 30 hours. It's this reason VW CEO Herbert Diess called a crisis meeting last week. With Giga Berlin set to start production, Diess is pleading for rapid changes to keep VW competitive. Giga Berlin and Austin will be the 3rd generation Tesla factory with even greater efficiencies. They've won the decade. It's really not close.
Yeah, yeah.... fanboy, fanboy.... #'s don't lie. Btw.. the VW CEO seems to agree with my assessment of the current situation.
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