OT: Electric vehicles
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I am really impressed with this vehicle. I think the company will sell a ton of these.
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I Asked Experts Why Carmakers Can't Just Transition To Newer Chips In Stock. Here's What They Told Me
It's a classic case of two industries that have conflicting needs but still have to work together.
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The implication here is that the auto industry is far too reliant on archaic tech that isn’t applicable to other consumer tech fields. It’s now finally reckoning with its reluctance to change, and only a fool would invest in shops to pump out the outdated silicon cars require.
As usual, you don't actually read or understand the information presented.I Asked Experts Why Carmakers Can't Just Transition To Newer Chips In Stock. Here's What They Told Me
It's a classic case of two industries that have conflicting needs but still have to work together.
The implication here is that the auto industry is far too reliant on archaic tech that isn’t applicable to other consumer tech fields. It’s now finally reckoning with its reluctance to change, and only a fool would invest in shops to pump out the outdated silicon cars require.
"“Automobiles have a long operating life, compared to many other consumer devices,” Thomas Coughlin, Fellow at the Institute for Electronic and Electrical Engineers, told me. “People expect their cars to last for more than 10 years, whereas many five-year-old consumer products are often considered nearly obsolete. Thus, parts for automobiles, including some chips, are often built on older, proven technology, rather than the latest available technology.”"
And...
“Qualifying a product, specifically testing activities, are costly and requires time, talent, and equipment,” Quigley said. “Some of the test equipment requirements are expensive and often not on hand at the OEM but will require an external lab, and booking time at this lab can be a long lead time activity, and is necessary for certain product certifications. Depending upon the vehicle system commonality, this testing might have to be performed on multiple vehicle platforms.
“Making changes to an existing product, changing an integrated circuit that only has the difference in the manufacturing processes would still require this sort of testing. Unless there are some compelling associated cost improvements to recoup the investment, this is not very plausible.”
Maybe your lord Elon is good with everyone upgrading their cars every 5 years, but that's not how they should be designed.
Registration prices are going to skyrocket for sure, but the Feds in the "infrastructure" bill are wanting a tax per mile pilot program.
Herbert Diess said the same thing last week. I was going to post the link, but the guys on here know more than the VW CEO.
"Diess responds to Stewart’s first inquiry, which regards VW’s goal to have 50% of its sales be electric by 2030. “In Europe, we are already leading,” Diess said, which is true based on the most recent figures from EU-EVs.com, showing Volkswagen has a comfortable lead over second-place Tesla by just over 20,000 vehicles. In other markets, Volkswagen is performing well. “Even in the US, we have been in second place for the last months, and in China, we are growing fast. We think we will become the market leader for EVs,” Diess adds."
Doesn't sound like saying that Tesla is ahead to me.
Did this guy ask it?
That question needs qualifiers. They have a use for commuting. Where I draw the line is trail riding or mountain biking- isn't that a form a exercise?
Gonna revisit this and take a break from "Tesla fanboys vs the world."
I've been to two major bike towns in the past few weeks, and the number of e-bikes just on paved multi-use paths has shocked me. These weren't people biking to/from work, so not sure what the value is of riding an electric down smooth, flat paths. The pedal assist makes even hills easy, so you're basically not exercising at all. Find them quite annoying when walking, too - no reason you should be speeding around on throttle or ultra-boost down a multi-use path.
Guess I thought there'd be less e-bikes in places people move specifically to bike and bike every day, but much more of them. Still all for them for commuters, older folks, those with physical conditions and on multi-use MTB trails that allow dirt bikes/jeeps/atvs, but the rest just seems like tge bike industry yet again manufacturing a need that doesn't exist. Can't blame it, really, but surprised it's working so well.
They are causing quite a stir in Sedona, Arizona, with people getting buzzed by e-bikers on sidewalks. Maybe I am old fashioned and just want to scream get off my lawn, but I don't see the point of riding one of those in place of riding a regular bike, except in limited situations, such as using one to commute to work or go to the store when there are local traffic jams, which occur quite regularly in Sedona. But as far as on trails where mountain bikes go? Mountain bikers on regular bikes get the evil eye from hikers sometimes. I could see e-mountain bikes taking that to a whole new level of outrage. Maybe I am too much of a purist, but one of the best parts of mountain biking is improving your skills and learning how to ride new terrains, steep hills, rocky trails, etc. Don't see the fun in doing that on an e-bike.
Looking at what I typed and what you typed, we seem to be on opposite sides.
Could be lost in the wash above, but I received an invite to see the F-150 Lightning in person. I registered for Philadelphia in mid-October.
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People are lazy and don't want the exercise, but want the experience of being on a bike?
Too bad she sold. Would have helped her today. GM only delivered 447k in Q3. That’s only 85% more than Tesla.
I think seeing the sheer number of e-bikes out there where they really don't provide much benefit brought me much closer to your view. Hadn't realized just how numerous they'd become.
This weekend I was in St. George, which is like Mormon Florida in terms of retirees, and expected to see plenty of older people buzzing around on them but was surprised that it's people of all ages ... on a smooth paved path that couldn't be much flatter and easier to pedal. For that, e-bikes are completely counterproductive and wasteful, imo.
I haven't encountered e-mtbs on mtb trails much at all, but I'm sure I'd find them annoying there, too. My caveat there is that many famous mtb trails - not sure about Sedona but somewhere like Moab - were initially built by/for motor bikes and 4-wheelers so seems kind of backwards for mtbers to want to ban e-mtbs on those specific trails. Beyond that, I'd be all for banning them outside of certain physical conditions and perhaps 65 or 70+.
I figured Sedona might have similar e-bike issues since it's grown comparable to St George and Park City in "best bike city" stature.
Wrong quote, wrong meeting. Don't worry about it... Tesla sucks
I could be wrong, but I think E-bikes are banned on most Sedona Trails because most Sedona Trails are in the federal National Forest & BLM land.
Besides, a lot of the trails in Sedona are single track and would be dangerous for e-bikes. Could see a lot of people hurting themselves on e-bikes.
Arizona legislation opens trails for e-bike riders - e-Bikerumor
As of Jan 1, new Arizona law ARS 28-819 has officially defined classifications of e-bikes, allowing those with a max power-assist speed of 20mph or less to have fully trail access statewide wherever conventional pedal bikes are allowed. Local authorities still have the power to enact additional...
e-bikerumor.com
It had to have started before then. I know this because I had friends, growing up, whose parents swore that the only reason they had kids was to have someone to change the channel.
Glad we cleared that up and you finally agree that Tesla sucks. Now your quote can and will be used completely out of context for eternity.
Oh great. Now it’s just a matter of time before he falsely accuses me of saying Tesla sucks. 😀
This should be a blueprint for all debates. relentless fact checking, links to reference materials, and a generous helping of childish insults can wear down even the most recalcitrant opponents.
Since you are a Porsche fan...
Porsche firms up production plans for new Boxster and Cayman EVs | Autocar
The radical new electric sports cars will share a production line with their petrol-engined siblings
You are 100% correct. Below is directly from the NJ DOT on the Turnpike.
I never have really seen any problems with the road surface on the NJ Turnpike and GSP ( our Toll Roads) …the conditions however on Route 287/440 , Route 1, Route 22, etc forget about it.
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Rev. March 2014
Table of Contents Page 1-8
The mainline pavement section shall be constructed as shown on Exhibit 1-9. Current pavement mix types to be used for each of the courses shown in the pavement sections shall be as directed by the Authority.
1.
Embankment, Grade A, shall be a minimum of 18 inches deep under travel lanes. In locations where existing pavement is widened, Grade A material is to be deeper, if necessary, to match template grade of existing pavement. Template grade (top of subgrade below Grade A embankment) shall slope transversely a minimum of 2% or match cross slope of roadway. Template grade shall be constructed transversely under the full section, without breaks in cross slope, on each individual roadway and in such a manner as t
Thanks. I have been following the tidbits that have appeared in the media about the upcoming electric Cayman and Boxster models.Since you are a Porsche fan...
Porsche firms up production plans for new Boxster and Cayman EVs | Autocar
The radical new electric sports cars will share a production line with their petrol-engined siblingswww.autocar.co.uk
I’ve driven several different ICE Caymans, and they are really fun cars. I really want a GT3RS, but am considering a GT4 or GT4RS instead because obtaining a 992 GT3RS is gonna be very, very difficult unless I were willing to pay like $150K over MSRP, which I am not. Point is that I am a big fan of the ICE Caymans, specifically the naturally aspirated ones.
But I guess I am skeptical that an EV-based Cayman will hold much appeal for me. When they come out, I will arrange test drives for sure. Just to see. But the magic of the Caymans is in their balance and agility and great gear boxes and so forth. Not sure how an EV can replicate that.
The newest Lotus, purportedly their final ICE car, also looks pretty interesting. So if the GT3RS, or maybe GT3, is unobtainable for me, then I’ll take a closer look at the Lotus as well as the GT4 and GT4RS.
Battery giants face skills gap that could jam electric highway
The South Korean battery giants powering many of the world's electric vehicles face a skills shortage that could drag on the global race towards zero-emissions transport.
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GM to open battery cell development center in push to cut EV costs
General Motors Co on Tuesday said it will open a battery cell development center in southeast Michigan to help it drive down the cost and boost the driving range of electric vehicles with lithium ion and solid-state battery cells.
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Good article in The Economist this week about the falling (cratering?) investment in all "dirty" energy sectors (oil, coal, nat gas). Here is one quote: "Start with oil, an industry that needs constant re-investment just to stand still. A rule of thumb is that oil companies are supposed to allocate about four-fifths of their capital expenditure each year just to stopping their level of reserves from being depleted. Yet annual industry capex has fallen from $750bn in 2014 (when oil prices exceeded $100 a barrel) to an estimated $350bn this year..."
It appears oil companies are now giving money back to shareholders rather than reinvesting. The feeling being that may be at or have already reached the "peak" for oil demand.
Whether you prefer Tesla or Ford or Audi or.....it appears EV is a pretty good long play. A mentor of mine used to say the way I make money like the top 5% of investors is I am more patient than 95% of investors. I do own and have owned Tesla stock for a while now. And I do keep buying more.
It appears oil companies are now giving money back to shareholders rather than reinvesting. The feeling being that may be at or have already reached the "peak" for oil demand.
Whether you prefer Tesla or Ford or Audi or.....it appears EV is a pretty good long play. A mentor of mine used to say the way I make money like the top 5% of investors is I am more patient than 95% of investors. I do own and have owned Tesla stock for a while now. And I do keep buying more.
It's a pay site so I can't read the whole article but I'm struck by a few things. Coal is different than oil and gas in that it has no uses I'm aware of besides heat and power generation. So outside of China and India I wouldn't be surprised if Capex is down to near zero. Oil and nat gas are different and I wonder if some of the reduction is fracking vs. deep sea offshore which is much more expensive. The products are also used for many different purposes which are not going away. And 750 Billion strikes me as high for an annual amount
Tesla must pay $137 million to a Black employee who sued for racial discrimination
Owen Diaz, an elevator operator from 2015 to 2016, said in his lawsuit that he and others were called the N-word by Tesla employees and that he was told to "go back to Africa."
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Tesla must pay $137 million to a Black employee who sued for racial discrimination
Owen Diaz, an elevator operator from 2015 to 2016, said in his lawsuit that he and others were called the N-word by Tesla employees and that he was told to "go back to Africa."
Only question is how much it will be reduced on appeal. Runaway jury. In San Francisco. It figures.
"Tesla leads global EV sales with 386 000 units (all BEV) delivered during H1, followed by the Volkswagen Group with 332 000 units, thereof 172 700 BEVs and 159 400 PHEVs. GM comes in 3rd with 227 000 units (221k were BEV), including over 180k of Mini-EVs from their SGMW joint venture in China. Growth was robust in all product segments except for sportscars. In the product segment mix, the trend is from sedans and compacts into SUVs. Most striking, though, is the re-bound of mini-EVs in China, now at ultra-affordable prices of 30-60 000 RMB. Read Wuling Hongguang Mini EV, Great Wall Ora R1, Chery eQ, SAIC Roewe Clever, Baojun and others. Around 300 000 units of them were sold during H1, a quarter of all NEV sales in China. They offer a long due improvement over countless, dodgy Low-Speed Vehicles from the earlier days, which are now banned by regulators. The new breed is exempted from some M1 vehicle requirements, often receives no subsidies but is, nevertheless, counted in the Chinese NEV tally."
World Archive - EV Volumes
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you want to make it sound like they're so far ahead. they're not.
Teslas, the Toyota Camrys of EVs.
What's funny is that, I virtually never bash automakers or cars. But you keep bringing on the bashing responses with your childish fanboy posts. And then you wonder why people keep making fun of Tesla and Tesla owners.
It's not us - it's you. But you aren't gonna understand that, are you?
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