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Farley nails it here on the Cybertruck:

"Farley added he isn’t worried that Musk’s Cybertruck venture will take his customers away.

“The reality is, America loves an underdog — and we are the market leader for EV trucks and vans, and we know those customers better than anyone,” Farley said. ’“And if he wants to design a Cybertruck for Silicon Valley people, fine.”

“It’s like a cool high-end product parked in front of a hotel,” Farley continued. “But I don’t make trucks like that. I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that’s a different kind of truck.”"

 
Farley nails it here on the Cybertruck:

"Farley added he isn’t worried that Musk’s Cybertruck venture will take his customers away.

“The reality is, America loves an underdog — and we are the market leader for EV trucks and vans, and we know those customers better than anyone,” Farley said. ’“And if he wants to design a Cybertruck for Silicon Valley people, fine.”

“It’s like a cool high-end product parked in front of a hotel,” Farley continued. “But I don’t make trucks like that. I make trucks for real people who do real work, and that’s a different kind of truck.”"

Don't think these comments will age well. CT may not be everyone's cup of tea aesthetically, but to assume it's not going to be functional is absurd. I expect CT to have industry leading specs.
 
Don't think these comments will age well. CT may not be everyone's cup of tea aesthetically, but to assume it's not going to be functional is absurd. I expect CT to have industry leading specs.
His remarks about the CT probably are off, that's true. While he's right that the CT won't be taking any of his market share, he called the CT cool and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people will disagree and instead find it laughable.

As for it being parked in front of a hotel (or club), it might happen once or twice, but not often. It's just too damn ugly and spartan. Very high end sports cars mostly with some luxury SUVs (Lamborghini Urus or Aston Martin DBX or similar) dominate as venue decoration, with slightly lower-tier luxury vehicles, even stanced-out sedans, in interesting colors when the first choice isn't available.

If a venue has a CT parked out front, it's a safe bet it's either not a very high-end or stylish establishment or else maybe it's managed by a Teslerati type with a model 3. Or maybe Elon paid them some outrageous amount to do it from Tesla's We-Don't-Advertise budget.
 
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LFP cells will become the dominant battery chemistry of the decade. Someone here predicted that...... forget who.
Cost and scale matter.
Oh my gosh! The dominant battery chemistry! How very exciting!

It’s a great thing you did here, making such bold and super-exciting predictions despite the voluminous contradictory posts everybody else made about it.
 
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Because you got nothing. Don’t know why you guys don’t want to admit that Tesla needs China. That’s where their bread is butter.
Find 1 post where we said that. Still waiting for you to make a point within this delusional rant. Tesla sells a lot of cars in China? Is that the jaw dropper? And that somehow correlates to them being the most American made car in America how?



Q1 23 data is in the chart. I'm assuming you're capable of addition.
 
Don't think these comments will age well. CT may not be everyone's cup of tea aesthetically, but to assume it's not going to be functional is absurd. I expect CT to have industry leading specs.
I get you are Tesla to the core. There is a thread over on the F150 forums, where all of us are saying F no to the CT. Basically people who are happy with their truck blending in, looking "normal," as opposed to an oversized ugly AF aluminum door stop. But like many things, people gravitate to different products and styles, and it is nice to have freedom of choice.
 
Oh my gosh! The dominant battery chemistry! How very exciting!

It’s a great thing you did here, making such bold and super-exciting predictions despite the voluminous contradictory posts everybody else made about it.
If you knew the correlation between battery chemistry, energy density, and range, you'd see your 600 mile range EV predictions are fantasy. After all this time posting in this thread, you still don't know shit about EVs. But, we get it. You're not here to learn anything.
 
I get you are Tesla to the core. There is a thread over on the F150 forums, where all of us are saying F no to the CT. Basically people who are happy with their truck blending in, looking "normal," as opposed to an oversized ugly AF aluminum door stop. But like many things, people gravitate to different products and styles, and it is nice to have freedom of choice.
Not arguing against anything you said. Different strokes.....
My point is, Farley is writing the CT off as some silicon valley, elitist showpiece that won't have practical functionality. This will be proven incorrect. In a few months we'll know for sure.
 
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Find 1 post where we said that. Still waiting for you to make a point within this delusional rant. Tesla sells a lot of cars in China? Is that the jaw dropper? And that somehow correlates to them being the most American made car in America how?



Q1 23 data is in the chart. I'm assuming you're capable of addition.
Who the fvck is Troy Teslike? My point is that Tesla is as American as Honda.
 
Not arguing against anything you said. Different strokes.....
My point is, Farley is writing the CT off as some silicon valley, elitist showpiece that won't have practical functionality. This will be proven incorrect. In a few months we'll know for sure.
Got it. Yes, nobody knows for sure until we see the full reveal. I'm agnostic on the Tesla brand, but I have stated my preference that the CT we have seen thus far is not my cup of latte, chai, or kumbacha that the Tesla "truck" drivers swill. 😉 (that was a lame attempt at humor).
 
If you knew the correlation between battery chemistry, energy density, and range, you'd see your 600 mile range EV predictions are fantasy. After all this time posting in this thread, you still don't know shit about EVs. But, we get it. You're not here to learn anything.
I think EVs will reach 600 mile range and that it's just a matter of time. It's a guess. You disagree, which is also just a guess. We're both going to have to wait, 5, 10, 15 years or so to find out. You can stomp around in self-congratulatory ferver all you want; you're still just guessing like everyone else.

Meanwhile, why would anybody come to the RU Rivals football forum to learn about battery technology? Or to learn about EV technology in general? Nobody here has either the professional experience or appropriate education to be considered an expert in either thing. There are better places to visit for such information.

And we can all read up on these subjects, same as you. What kind of delusions of grandeur would have you thinking anybody here needs you to curate and/or explain the readily available public information for us?

Personally, I'm not very interested in battery technology. How far will it go and how fast can I charge it is interesting. Beyond that, I don't really care.

I'm much more interested in how people like their EVs than how they're made. I'm much more interested in hearing people's stories about their cars, or about trips they've taken in their cars. It's great to share in people's excitement over their new cars. It's fun to talk about automotive design trends, to hear others opinions about new and upcoming cars. I'm vastly more interested to hear about people's experience doing their own car maintenance or doing aftermarket part installs on their cars than I will ever be about battery technology.
 
If you knew the correlation between battery chemistry, energy density, and range, you'd see your 600 mile range EV predictions are fantasy. After all this time posting in this thread, you still don't know shit about EVs. But, we get it. You're not here to learn anything.
Nah.

Stick to Musk fondling.
 
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How does that disprove that it's a non-functional truck design for influencers and overcompensating tech geeks?
Lol ... Truly don't understand the hate, especially for an American vehicle, made by American workers. You can bet CT will be in the top 10 of next year's all American list too. Maybe #1.
It's going to be the best selling EV pickup for many years to come. Get over it.
 
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Lol ... Truly don't understand the hate, especially for an American vehicle, made by American workers. You can bet CT will be in the top 10 of next year's all American list too. Maybe #1.
It's going to be the best selling EV pickup for many years to come. Get over it.
Again, you fail to articulate how Farley is wrong.

I don't hate it. As an actual truck owner, I can tick off numerous points of style over substance that are just headscratching. The description of a truck for non-truck SV guys with more money than sense seems spot on. Just as Farley alluded. Your job in disagreeing is to tell us why we're wrong.

"American made" rah tah bullshit might work on others, but it has nothing to do with the issue. Also, I don't care in general.
 
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And you're completely wrong, just like most of your other points. Did you even read the article? I'm done with this.
Oh c'mon. There is no such thing as completely right or completely wrong about any of this. You're stating your subjective opinion about a question that uses the highly ambiguous term "as American" as if your opinion is fact and that "completely wrong" isn't impossible to define factually in this context.

He's trolling you into sounding dumb. You're not dumb. Don't let brand-adulation make you sound dumb.

The unwarranted arrogance, on the other hand, you should retain since it's just part of your ethos and it's harmless and fun.
 
And you're completely wrong, just like most of your other points. Did you even read the article? I'm done with this.
Someone should tell Troy Teslike that Tesla is selling China made Tesla in Canada. But why bother with truth when you can take Troys word for it. There is a reason Tesla doesn’t report these details. They let people post crap info without any liability.
 
That's interesting. I wonder what the thinking behind this is with respect to longer term strategy.
I haven't read up on why... but to me, their Mx30 suffered from completely inadequate battery range. A rotary is a much smaller footprint than a typical 3 or 4 cyl engine, so can be crammed in the remaining space in the car, used to charge the battery without a huge weight penalty, but still be an electric powered car? I assume range will be vastly improved...
 
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Someone should tell Troy Teslike that Tesla is selling China made Tesla in Canada. But why bother with truth when you can take Troys word for it. There is a reason Tesla doesn’t report these details. They let people post crap info without any liability.
Oh boy. Canada isn't part of US.

But ok, finally got your point. Lol...you think flocks of Americans are going to Canada to buy RWD Model Ys made in China??? I can see why your losing sleep over this. Very troubling.

There's a reason Tesla is exporting this variant to Canada. Don't stay up too late figuring it out.

Did you take out another short position on TSLA, and get burned again? I think that's the real reason you have a hair up your ass about the very benign, non-controversial cars.com article.
 
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Again, you fail to articulate how Farley is wrong.

I don't hate it. As an actual truck owner, I can tick off numerous points of style over substance that are just headscratching. The description of a truck for non-truck SV guys with more money than sense seems spot on. Just as Farley alluded. Your job in disagreeing is to tell us why we're wrong.

"American made" rah tah bullshit might work on others, but it has nothing to do with the issue. Also, I don't care in general.
You're reaching the false conclusion that every truck owner thinks like you. Some diehards will insist that a truck must look like a box, but like with anything new, people will get used to it's uniqueness.
It doesn't matter who buys the CT as long as it sells. Plenty of 1st time truck buyers have CT orders.
Tesla has a history of producing EVs with industry leading specs and efficiency. I expect that will apply to CT as well. Consumers will realize they're getting more for less w CT.
Tesla also has a history of being able to produce EVs in volume, something Ford is still unable to do.
 
You're reaching the false conclusion that every truck owner thinks like you. Some diehards will insist that a truck must look like a box, but like with anything new, people will get used to it's uniqueness.
It doesn't matter who buys the CT as long as it sells. Plenty of 1st time truck buyers have CT orders.
Tesla has a history of producing EVs with industry leading specs and efficiency. I expect that will apply to CT as well. Consumers will realize they're getting more for less w CT.
Tesla also has a history of being able to produce EVs in volume, something Ford is still unable to do.
I think it’s pretty likely that a majority of consumers will realize they’re getting less for too much with the CT. But we’re gonna have to wait and see. I mean, Tesla hasn’t delivered one yet. We dont even know what the car will actually be like to drive, or what the range will be. Only that it‘s really, really ugly on the outside - a flying wedge, basically.

I really want to understand what compels you to shill for the brand so hard. Is it that you own the stock? I do too, and I’d guess even more than you. Yet I don’t shill for the brand.

Is it because you like your car? I‘ve liked most of my cars, too, but never felt compelled to write about manufacturing and sales of any of the brands. Nor do I ever try to convince others to buy a car or brand that I like.

Is it just a hobby? Something you do to pass the time?

Do you get paid to do it?

I genuinely, seriously, want to understand your motivation here. Because I have never seen anybody who is not a paid employee work so hard to promote a brand of anything the way you do with Tesla.

It’s fascinating.
 
You're reaching the false conclusion that every truck owner thinks like you. Some diehards will insist that a truck must look like a box, but like with anything new, people will get used to it's uniqueness.
It doesn't matter who buys the CT as long as it sells. Plenty of 1st time truck buyers have CT orders.
Tesla has a history of producing EVs with industry leading specs and efficiency. I expect that will apply to CT as well. Consumers will realize they're getting more for less w CT.
Tesla also has a history of being able to produce EVs in volume, something Ford is still unable to do.
It's not the looks or "uniqueness" that matter. Trucks aren't particularly attractive to begin with.

It's the function. And function is kinda an important reason that pickups sell in such large numbers. Just don't see that bed working the way every other bed on the market does. Not to mention a complete lack of aftermarket and requirement for custom-engineered, overpriced solutions fit to one truck alone. It's like the yoke squared as far as counterintuitive vehicle design goes.
 
You're reaching the false conclusion that every truck owner thinks like you. Some diehards will insist that a truck must look like a box, but like with anything new, people will get used to it's uniqueness.
It doesn't matter who buys the CT as long as it sells. Plenty of 1st time truck buyers have CT orders.
Tesla has a history of producing EVs with industry leading specs and efficiency. I expect that will apply to CT as well. Consumers will realize they're getting more for less w CT.
Tesla also has a history of being able to produce EVs in volume, something Ford is still unable to do.
It's not the looks or "uniqueness" that matter. Trucks aren't particularly attractive to begin with.

It's the function. And function is kinda an important reason that pickups sell in such large numbers. Just don't see that bed working the way every other bed on the market does. Not to mention a complete lack of aftermarket and requirement for custom-engineered, overpriced solutions fit to one truck alone. It's like the yoke squared as far as counterintuitive vehicle design goes.
 
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Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Is that the Beatles? 😉

All kidding aside, listing those four is a great response. It's funny, accurate, and highly relevant to the point I've been trying to make since the early days of this thread. I think it might well be the smartest and best post in this entire thread. Seriously.
 
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