OT: Electric vehicles

[Knight Shift]

Elon also tweeted that ketamine was the best treatment for anxiety and depression, so...

Elmo is kind of an idiot.

You don't like Elmo. But you should try tickle me Elmo. He's a riot.
I have no idea what ketamine is or what is good for anxiety and depression, as that seems to be a complicated mix of physiological, environmental and biological factors that have eluded MDs and PhDs for many years. Everyone is different. For me, I put on some heavy metal music and exercise when I feel a little funky, and voila, I'm happy as a clam (not sure why clams are so happy and where that saying came from).

Anyways, data seems to support Elon's claim on fires, but as we know, the problem with EV fires is that once on fire, EVs pose a greater challenge and can require more/different strategy/resources to extinguish.

While the linked source may be subject to debate, so this in other news sources, such as Boston Globe too.
"A recent report argues that ICE or gas cars are more likely to catch fire than a Tesla or EV (electric vehicle). In fact, the report says ICE cars are 19 times more likely to catch fire using compiled statistics for car fires from 2022."

Tesla and Other EVs Catch Fire 19x Less Often Than Gas Cars

There is a report that shows that Tesla and other EVs are 19x less likely to catch fire than a gas car.

www.torquenews.com

 

[RU4Real]

"A recent report argues that ICE or gas cars are more likely to catch fire than a Tesla or EV (electric vehicle). In fact, the report says ICE cars are 19 times more likely to catch fire using compiled statistics for car fires from 2022."

The unfortunate truck in this video appears to be of the ICE variety, clearly confirming your information.

 

[Knight Shift]

Good stuff by Volvo. A lot of diesel trucks on the roads.

Volvo's heavy-duty electric truck runs 12 hours a day with one charge break, can haul 74 tons

Leading truck manufacturer Volvo Trucks is pioneering a path for the heavy transport hauling industry to go all-electric. The company...

electrek.co

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Electrify America announced they are going with a NACS option, starting in 2025. I personally think the smart move for them would be leading with ultra high-speed chargers. But I suspect EA will botch it all up.

Electrify America to add North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector by 2025

/PRNewswire/ -- Electrify America announced today it will add the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector to Electrify America and Electrify Canada's...

www.prnewswire.com

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

A Tesla ad.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[jtung230]

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Who is arguing against this? Everyone acknowledges that they are fast 0-60. Maybe he should address the cost and range issue.

 

[RUBlackout7]

Who is arguing against this? Everyone acknowledges that they are fast 0-60. Maybe he should address the cost and range issue.

What are the cost and range issue?

 

[jtung230]

What are the cost and range issue?

Serious?

 

[jtung230]

Just got back from Germany. EV adoption is much slower in Europe.

@mildone i got picked up in an A8L. All the flights were delayed coming in due to the weather here. My driver decided that he needed to make up time by going 220kmph. It didn’t feel that fast except we were passing drivers doing 100-120kmph like they were standing still.

 

[mildone]

Just got back from Germany. EV adoption is much slower in Europe.

@mildone i got picked up in an A8L. All the flights were delayed coming in due to the weather here. My driver decided that he needed to make up time by going 220kmph. It didn’t feel that fast except we were passing drivers doing 100-120kmph like they were standing still.

Oooh, that's some serious luxury. Sounds fun. Did you ride up front in the passenger seat or in back?

And yes, in cars built for it, on roads built for it, it's easy to find yourself going 130 to 140 mph and the only way it feels particularly fast is through the closing speed to other cars.

Curious if your driver slowed when approaching other cars or not. I almost always do because the closing speed is so fast that drivers who not are used to recognizing it don't register it correctly. So they'll still sometimes pull out into the passing lane even though they've clearly looked and seen you coming off in the distance. They'll sometimes freak out when they check their mirrors again and you're right there.

Apparently this even happens, and sometimes causes accidents, on the autobahn where people are much more used to it happening. I suppose that's in part due to drivers who don't normally travel on the unlimited portions of the road.

 

[RUBlackout7]

Serious?

Yes. Many EV’s, including some Tesla’s are cheap af and range is not an issue for the majority of people.

 

[mildone]

Yes. Many EV’s, including some Tesla’s are cheap af and range is not an issue for the majority of people.

I'd certainly agree to the first part, that Tesla's can be cheap af, what with the steering wheels falling off and all. 😉

I would think range is important to everybody who doesn't have access to at home charging, and I'm not really sure how many people fall into that category. Cities are full of such people and a crapload of people live in cities. So it's a large number, but perhaps not a majority.

 

[brgRC90]

Just got back from Germany. EV adoption is much slower in Europe.

It depends on where in Europe. Norway has very high rates of EV ownership. Similarly, EV ownership in the US is very high in California and not high elsewhere.

 

[brgRC90]

I'd certainly agree to the first part, that Tesla's can be cheap af, what with the steering wheels falling off and all. 😉

I would think range is important to everybody who doesn't have access to at home charging, and I'm not really sure how many people fall into that category. Cities are full of such people and a crapload of people live in cities. So it's a large number, but perhaps not a majority.

Hmmm, like gas-powered cars are always solid as Panzer tanks and never pieces of crap...

 

[jtung230]

Yes. Many EV’s, including some Tesla’s are cheap af and range is not an issue for the majority of people.

Which Tesla is cheap af? Please don’t tell me the after tax credit price. Range is an issue. Maybe not to you but I’m certain it’s a top reason people don’t buy EVs. As an EV owner the listed range is so BS. It’s really 80% or 90% of that range outside of winter. In the winter it’s 68% to 76% of that range.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

European EV adoption - even excluding Norway - is ahead of US and behind China. Japan has lowest rate of EV adoption among major countries.

 

[jtung230]

Oooh, that's some serious luxury. Sounds fun. Did you ride up front in the passenger seat or in back?

And yes, in cars built for it, on roads built for it, it's easy to find yourself going 130 to 140 mph and the only way it feels particularly fast is through the closing speed to other cars.

Curious if your driver slowed when approaching other cars or not. I almost always do because the closing speed is so fast that drivers who not are used to recognizing it don't register it correctly. So they'll still sometimes pull out into the passing lane even though they've clearly looked and seen you coming off in the distance. They'll sometimes freak out when they check their mirrors again and you're right there.

Apparently this even happens, and sometimes causes accidents, on the autobahn where people are much more used to it happening. I suppose that's in part due to drivers who don't normally travel on the unlimited portions of the road.

It’s an A8L, of course I was in the back. He did not slow down because he said everyone is very good about not driving in the left lane. I’ve had that happened to me once. It was on 202 where there are a few hills. I was very glad I checked twice.

 

[jtung230]

European EV adoption - even excluding Norway - is ahead of US and behind China. Japan has lowest rate of EV adoption among major countries.

I just didn’t see that many EVs on the road compared to my area.

 

[fsg2]

Just got back from Germany. EV adoption is much slower in Europe.

@mildone i got picked up in an A8L. All the flights were delayed coming in due to the weather here. My driver decided that he needed to make up time by going 220kmph. It didn’t feel that fast except we were passing drivers doing 100-120kmph like they were standing still.

No it isn't.

 

[fsg2]

Yes. Many EV’s, including some Tesla’s are cheap af and range is not an issue for the majority of people.

Also no

 

[jtung230]

No it isn't.

Maybe it’s just Germany.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Maybe it’s just Germany.

Not sure how you missed them.

Chart: Which countries buy the most EVs?

The top spots are dominated by Nordic nations — while the U.S. barely makes the top 20.

www.canarymedia.com

 

[jtung230]

Not sure how you missed them.

Chart: Which countries buy the most EVs?

The top spots are dominated by Nordic nations — while the U.S. barely makes the top 20.

www.canarymedia.com

The area I was in had very few. I see more in my town. I guess it makes sense that it’s regionalized.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Which Tesla is cheap af? Please don’t tell me the after tax credit price. Range is an issue. Maybe not to you but I’m certain it’s a top reason people don’t buy EVs. As an EV owner the listed range is so BS. It’s really 80% or 90% of that range outside of winter. In the winter it’s 68% to 76% of that range.

Maybe you should have bought a more efficient EV.

 

[mildone]

Hmmm, like gas-powered cars are always solid as Panzer tanks and never pieces of crap...

What in my post led you to think I was making any kind of general statement comparing EVs and ICEVs?

 

[RU4Real]

Oooh, that's some serious luxury. Sounds fun. Did you ride up front in the passenger seat or in back?

And yes, in cars built for it, on roads built for it, it's easy to find yourself going 130 to 140 mph and the only way it feels particularly fast is through the closing speed to other cars.

Curious if your driver slowed when approaching other cars or not. I almost always do because the closing speed is so fast that drivers who not are used to recognizing it don't register it correctly. So they'll still sometimes pull out into the passing lane even though they've clearly looked and seen you coming off in the distance. They'll sometimes freak out when they check their mirrors again and you're right there.

Apparently this even happens, and sometimes causes accidents, on the autobahn where people are much more used to it happening. I suppose that's in part due to drivers who don't normally travel on the unlimited portions of the road.

I've driven the autobahn and watched numerous videos of exotics doing high speed runs.

The compelling difference between there and here is that lane discipline is practically a religion in Germany. You NEVER run across some idiot from NYC doing 58 in the left lane. Nor do you see traffic moving left into the fast lane without a full understanding of what's coming up from behind.

When you do encounter slower traffic in the left lane, they make it their #1 priority to get out of the way.

I wish people here would adopt the same behavior.

 

[RUBlackout7]

Also no

Facts are facts.

 

[fg7321]

Some experimental stuff . Be interesting to see what makes it to market in a mainstream way

You may never need to plug in your electric car again. Here's how.

Charging an electric car can be frustrating and time-consuming. Battery swapping, wireless charging, and other innovations could change things.

www.yahoo.com

 

[jtung230]

I've driven the autobahn and watched numerous videos of exotics doing high speed runs.

The compelling difference between there and here is that lane discipline is practically a religion in Germany. You NEVER run across some idiot from NYC doing 58 in the left lane. Nor do you see traffic moving left into the fast lane without a full understanding of what's coming up from behind.

When you do encounter slower traffic in the left lane, they make it their #1 priority to get out of the way.

I wish people here would adopt the same behavior.

They must have an age limit for DL. Also, they don’t put on ramp from the left.

 

[29PAS]

I've driven the autobahn and watched numerous videos of exotics doing high speed runs.

The compelling difference between there and here is that lane discipline is practically a religion in Germany. You NEVER run across some idiot from NYC doing 58 in the left lane. Nor do you see traffic moving left into the fast lane without a full understanding of what's coming up from behind.

When you do encounter slower traffic in the left lane, they make it their #1 priority to get out of the way.

I wish people here would adopt the same behavior.

Keep right, pass left only. I've never understood why that's such a difficult concept in the US.

 

[fsg2]

Facts are facts.

Yep, and off-the-cuff bullshit is off-the-cuff bullshit.

EVs are cheap af ...lmao.

 

[Morrischiano]

So we went 100% EV today as we got our Genesis GV60 delivered today for my wife. She was deciding between the Model Y and the Genesis and picked the Genesis because build quality was excellent. Also the customer service was outstanding. She wanted a red one, which they had to get shipped from another state. They configured her settings on a car they had on the lot (facial recognition door unlock, seat positioning, safety settings, fingerprint car start) and then transferred it to the new car that someone drove to our house to drop off this morning. All the settings were set in the new car. Amazing. We had an issue with the charger adapter and someone called us immediately and helped out.

If we got a Tesla, we’d be watching YouTube videos for self-support because their customer support is almost invisible.

 

[jtung230]

My first terrible experience with EA. Had to pickup my son from camp in MD. Trip down was great because I had to leave at 6. No traffic and charging was easy. On the way home it was a disaster. 3hr ride is 4hrs plus a 15 min wait for a charger and the charger didn’t work properly. It’s going to take me 5:30 hrs now.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

So we went 100% EV today as we got our Genesis GV60 delivered today for my wife. She was deciding between the Model Y and the Genesis and picked the Genesis because build quality was excellent. Also the customer service was outstanding. She wanted a red one, which they had to get shipped from another state. They configured her settings on a car they had on the lot (facial recognition door unlock, seat positioning, safety settings, fingerprint car start) and then transferred it to the new car that someone drove to our house to drop off this morning. All the settings were set in the new car. Amazing. We had an issue with the charger adapter and someone called us immediately and helped out.

If we got a Tesla, we’d be watching YouTube videos for self-support because their customer support is almost invisible.

Looking forward to hearing more about driving experiences with the Genesis. One feature I like for (eventual) super high-speed charging.

 

[RUScrew85]

You don't like Elmo. But you should try tickle me Elmo. He's a riot.
I have no idea what ketamine is or what is good for anxiety and depression, as that seems to be a complicated mix of physiological, environmental and biological factors that have eluded MDs and PhDs for many years. Everyone is different. For me, I put on some heavy metal music and exercise when I feel a little funky, and voila, I'm happy as a clam (not sure why clams are so happy and where that saying came from).

Anyways, data seems to support Elon's claim on fires, but as we know, the problem with EV fires is that once on fire, EVs pose a greater challenge and can require more/different strategy/resources to extinguish.

While the linked source may be subject to debate, so this in other news sources, such as Boston Globe too.
"A recent report argues that ICE or gas cars are more likely to catch fire than a Tesla or EV (electric vehicle). In fact, the report says ICE cars are 19 times more likely to catch fire using compiled statistics for car fires from 2022."

Tesla and Other EVs Catch Fire 19x Less Often Than Gas Cars

There is a report that shows that Tesla and other EVs are 19x less likely to catch fire than a gas car.

www.torquenews.com

Clams are always smiling. (Until they're ripped open)

 

[mildone]

So we went 100% EV today as we got our Genesis GV60 delivered today for my wife. She was deciding between the Model Y and the Genesis and picked the Genesis because build quality was excellent. Also the customer service was outstanding. She wanted a red one, which they had to get shipped from another state. They configured her settings on a car they had on the lot (facial recognition door unlock, seat positioning, safety settings, fingerprint car start) and then transferred it to the new car that someone drove to our house to drop off this morning. All the settings were set in the new car. Amazing. We had an issue with the charger adapter and someone called us immediately and helped out.

If we got a Tesla, we’d be watching YouTube videos for self-support because their customer support is almost invisible.

Congrats on the new car. Looking forward to hearing about your (or your wife’s) continuing experiences with it. I’ve been reading great stuff about all the Hyundai Motor Group’s vehicles from journalists and also, when I ask how they feel about their cars, from owners themselves.

 

[jtung230]

Leaked Tesla documents reveal a major issue with one of the company’s most talked-about vehicles: ‘I am astounded’

"I'm blown away that they would be struggling so much with the basics."

www.yahoo.com

problem with braking? but 0 to 60 will be fast.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Leaked Tesla documents reveal a major issue with one of the company’s most talked-about vehicles: ‘I am astounded’

"I'm blown away that they would be struggling so much with the basics."

www.yahoo.com

problem with braking? but 0 to 60 will be fast.

I can't believe a prototype from 1 and a half years ago wasn't ready for production. More brilliant clickbait from the yahoos at Yahoo.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Yep, and off-the-cuff bullshit is off-the-cuff bullshit.

EVs are cheap af ...lmao.

I spent $46 in June charging my model 3.