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OT: Electric vehicles

There's really two questions here:

Why would Tesla give up what appears to be a competitive advantage w/it's charging network exclusivity?

And why VW Group be so negligent with it's charging network when it seems as if there's so much to be gained by doing it right?

In both cases, we can be certain the respective organizations are making their decisions, doing (or not doing) things, for the sake of long-term profitability. They are not doing them for any kind of altruistic reasons.

So I think we'll eventually learn it's much more about strategy, about long term planning, than anything else. I'd be highly skeptical of all PR statements from both organizations on the subject. It's not like they're going to draw a fully honest roadmap of their long range plans for their competitors to see.
Tesla's mission statement is over a decade old. Rather than pontificating, provide some examples of them not adhering to this statement.

As for VW, they're clearly doing the absolute minimum with EA so not to incur further fines for diesel gate.

You may think your fooling us as the "cynical genius". Maybe you're just not that bright:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/trust-games/202111/the-myth-the-cynical-genius
 
Tesla's mission statement is over a decade old. Rather than pontificating, provide some examples of them not adhering to this statement.

As for VW, they're clearly doing the absolute minimum with EA so not to incur further fines for diesel gate.

You may think your fooling us as the "cynical genius". Maybe you're just not that bright:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/trust-games/202111/the-myth-the-cynical-genius
I figured you'd get all offended and defensive, even though I didn't attack Tesla (or VW) in any way. Only one of us is attacking a car company here and it ain't me.

Speaking of psychology, I find it mildly interesting that you're always bringing intelligence up, one way or another. A wee bit insecure, are you?

Ironically, if you think I'm trying to fool anybody, then I've clearly fooled you without even trying.
 
I think Tesla had the advantage of building a charging network for their own product/software. EA is at a disadvantage because it’s trying to be a universal platform. I didn’t have any issues charging my ID4 but have had issues with my Lighting.
 
I think Tesla had the advantage of building a charging network for their own product/software. EA is at a disadvantage because it’s trying to be a universal platform. I didn’t have any issues charging my ID4 but have had issues with my Lighting.
Tesla only uses NACS in N America. Everywhere else (China, Europe, Australia, etc..) they employ a different charger, so your EA hypothesis is wrong.

Sometimes the simplest, most obvious answer is correct. VW doesn't give a shit about EA. They did the bare minimum to avoid further diesel gate fines. Consumer be damned.
 
Tesla open it up to get billions from the federal government. I give them credit that they plan to allow greater access.
Fed $ is available to any auto maker or charging provider. Also, it remains to be seen how profitable Tesla's charging network will be. Personally, I don't think it moves the needle much. The supercharger network is more about maintaining brand loyalty. And now, by allowing in other EVs to charge, it becomes a form of advertising.
 
Tesla only uses NACS in N America. Everywhere else (China, Europe, Australia, etc..) they employ a different charger, so your EA hypothesis is wrong.

Sometimes the simplest, most obvious answer is correct. VW doesn't give a shit about EA. They did the bare minimum to avoid further diesel gate fines. Consumer be damned.
Good point. If Tesla is available for all brands overseas and is better than EA, clear answer.
 
Fed $ is available to any auto maker or charging provider. Also, it remains to be seen how profitable Tesla's charging network will be. Personally, I don't think it moves the needle much. The supercharger network is more about maintaining brand loyalty. And now, by allowing in other EVs to charge, it becomes a form of advertising.
They got 7.5 billion from the fed
 
CHY-NUH!

All the back and forth and changing dynamics are, to me, the story of the little boy and the Zen Master.

We'll see.
I think of that parable often. Just about every time someone makes an aggressively stated prediction about the future.

It’s a whole lot of wisdom wrapped up in a very short story.
 
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I think of that parable often. Just about every time someone makes an aggressively stated prediction about the future.

It’s a whole lot of wisdom wrapped up in a very short story.

And, IMO, one of the greatest film performances, ever. PSH was so talented...
 
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Tesla only uses NACS in N America. Everywhere else (China, Europe, Australia, etc..) they employ a different charger, so your EA hypothesis is wrong.

Sometimes the simplest, most obvious answer is correct. VW doesn't give a shit about EA. They did the bare minimum to avoid further diesel gate fines. Consumer be damned.

It is totally on-brand for VW to straight-up lie about diesel emissions of their vehicles, get fined up the yin-yang and somehow be allowed to build up an absolute garbage EV charging network.
 
Those who bought recently must feel good about that. I think Tesla is doing the right thing and help solve the affordability issue. But we all said before that Tesla is overpriced given the level of finishes. It was mainly driven up by the fan club.
Teslas are overpriced? Using the old or new prices, which competing EV offers a better value?
 
Nonsense. VW designed their ECUs to perform well on tests. Brilliant.
Forget it, they're rolling. 🤣

They can't comprehend that normal people don't worship car companies the way they do, and therefore aren't going to be defensive or unbalanced by any criticism. I'm enjoying watching them try, though.

We're up to "evil" level. What comes after that? "VW is out to sap our precious bodily fluids." 😀
 
@mildone

Saw a candy apple green GT3 RS parked by the BW dealership today. That’s a track car.
You know which generation it was? The 992 3rs is indeed about 90% race car, 10% road car. The amount of downforce it generates is crazy for a road car. The 991 generation 3rs was closer to 50/50, much more reasonable for the road.
 
You know which generation it was? The 992 3rs is indeed about 90% race car, 10% road car. The amount of downforce it generates is crazy for a road car. The 991 generation 3rs was closer to 50/50, much more reasonable for the road.
992
 
Yeah, they shafted their customers.
What in the world are you talking about. OEMs do this all the time - they just hide price changes by using rebates and dealer incentives. and on top of that the stealerships then tack on all the nonsense fees and "market" adjustments - I will take the Tesla transparent pricing model anyday.
 
What in the world are you talking about. OEMs do this all the time - they just hide price changes by using rebates and dealer incentives. and on top of that the stealerships then tack on all the nonsense fees and "market" adjustments - I will take the Tesla transparent pricing model anyday.
Don't feed the troll. He's just seeing who he can wind up today.
 
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