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Now he is going to trade it in for a model 3. It’s kind of mean of you because Acura has no chance. I had a guy in a modified WRX. Thought it could be a sleeper. I gave him a fair chance by rolling out to 20 mph before gunning it. It wasn’t a sleeper. Just a cherry bomb muffler.
The Springsteen song Racing in the Street was playing in my head, but the lyrics needed major rework--I don't think it will be a hit, no rhymes, and too divisive!:

[ORIGINAL:
I got a '69 Chevy with a 396
Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor
.......
Me and my partner Sonny built her straight out of scratch
And he rides with me from town to town]


[REWORK:

I got an '02 Lightning with an electric motor
All wheel drive and a giant screen
......
Me and my wifey bought her straight off the internet
And she rides with me from game to home]
 
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Acura, to me, has always been a sketchy brand. They're never the most powerful / fastest cars in their class but they're quite pricey.

I did have an '89 Integra, back in the day - it was actually my very first brand new car. Performance-wise, that car *was* exceptional. It was always fun to go hunting Porsche 944s, which I could always beat, easily. A neighbor who had an IROC-Z used to bitch endlessly because my car was faster / handled better.

Unfortunately, it was also a piece of shit. The build quality was atrocious and the reliability was so... not... that I only kept it for 2 years before trading it.
 
I thought RDX/MDX is pretty solid.

They definitely are. But compared to the other offerings in their respective segments they're overpriced underperformers.

It's as if Acura wants X3 / X5 money but they're not offering BMW-level dynamics in return.

Car & Driver ranks the RDX at #14 in the "Compact Luxury SUV" category.
 
Now he is going to trade it in for a model 3. It’s kind of mean of you because Acura has no chance. I had a guy in a modified WRX. Thought it could be a sleeper. I gave him a fair chance by rolling out to 20 mph before gunning it. It wasn’t a sleeper. Just a cherry bomb muffler.
The Lightning, like most EVs, is very quick. Somewhere between 4.0s and 4.5s. I think Ford says 4.5s, but the auto journalist testing show it as quicker.

Be a fair amount of work, I would think, for an WRX to get to a 4.0s 0-60 time. Might need bigger turbos with upgraded internals, wider wheels/tires and I'm not sure about the differential. I'm not a WRX expert, though, so maybe it's doable with bolt-ons. Being AWD helps.

A '24 Cayenne S would be an interesting race for the Lightning. Porsche says 4.4s (with chrono pack), but they're notoriously conservative with performance numbers. Real world should also be between 4.0s to 4.4s. Could come down to driver reflexes and potential surface differences. We can get a 3-way race going one day. After splitting a bottle of good Scotch, perhaps. 🤪
 
Just bought a new Bolt Premier with all the good stuff. After State and Fed incentives, $24,250...and no sales tax. So good. And I can sell my 2019 Ionic for $15,500 on Carvana...close to what I paid for it.
 
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Acura, to me, has always been a sketchy brand. They're never the most powerful / fastest cars in their class but they're quite pricey.

I did have an '89 Integra, back in the day - it was actually my very first brand new car. Performance-wise, that car *was* exceptional. It was always fun to go hunting Porsche 944s, which I could always beat, easily. A neighbor who had an IROC-Z used to bitch endlessly because my car was faster / handled better.

Unfortunately, it was also a piece of shit. The build quality was atrocious and the reliability was so... not... that I only kept it for 2 years before trading it.

My '97 was a solid car. Had it until it was nearly 10 years old and never a major problem. I was sht at maintaining it properly for most of the time, too.

Acura was still a baby in '89 so probably took a few more years to hit its stride. Hondas were still econo shitboxes in mid/late 80s, iirc. I remember the Yugo at $4K and a Honda at $5K being the cheapest cars on the market.
 
My '97 was a solid car. Had it until it was nearly 10 years old and never a major problem. I was sht at maintaining it properly for most of the time, too.

Acura was still a baby in '89 so probably took a few more years to hit its stride. Hondas were still econo shitboxes in mid/late 80s, iirc. I remember the Yugo at $4K and a Honda at $5K being the cheapest cars on the market.

I paid 12.6 for the Integra in '89. The service issues started immediately. Acura used to advertise that their cars were the "byproduct of Formula 1 engineering!" I would tell people that it was completely true - and that my Integra would have been a perfect car if I had a pit crew and a couple of tractor-trailers full of parts following me around.

The car had a front end vibration at high speed. The dealer took it out twice and said they were unable to reproduce the issue. I emphasized that it manifested at 70+ mph and their response was "well, the speed limit is 55."

When the clutch blew at 20k miles they refused to compensate me in any way and said "it must be the way you drive". By that time I'd owned 3 cars with manual transmissions and had never replaced a clutch before 80k. I told them that the next time they saw my car would be when I set it on fire and drove it through their showroom window. I traded it for a 1st year Altima - also a manual - that turned out to be a better car in every conceivable way.
 
One of the funnier lines I can remember from Car and Driver was about the Integra, maybe an early 90's version. They said the seam at the front of the hood, if you can call it that, was "big enough to throw a cat through". Still cracks me up.
 
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One of the funnier lines I can remember from Car and Driver was about the Integra, maybe an early 90's version. The said the seam at the front of the hood, if you can call it that, was "big enough to throw a cat through". Still cracks me up.

The early models had an issue with the front clip detaching. Mine didn't have that problem but my next-door neighbor's wife had the same car and for the entire time I knew them her front end was hanging down about an inch. She said the dealer told her it couldn't be fixed.
 
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I paid 12.6 for the Integra in '89. The service issues started immediately. Acura used to advertise that their cars were the "byproduct of Formula 1 engineering!" I would tell people that it was completely true - and that my Integra would have been a perfect car if I had a pit crew and a couple of tractor-trailers full of parts following me around.

The car had a front end vibration at high speed. The dealer took it out twice and said they were unable to reproduce the issue. I emphasized that it manifested at 70+ mph and their response was "well, the speed limit is 55."

When the clutch blew at 20k miles they refused to compensate me in any way and said "it must be the way you drive". By that time I'd owned 3 cars with manual transmissions and had never replaced a clutch before 80k. I told them that the next time they saw my car would be when I set it on fire and drove it through their showroom window. I traded it for a 1st year Altima - also a manual - that turned out to be a better car in every conceivable way.
Your current Mazda is an auto, so this won’t matter to you so much. But I’ve put the MS3’s clutch through the wringer since I bought it back in late 2010. It’s been amazingly bullet-proof. Mazda knew/knows how to design a clutch.

On winter, and now all-season, tires, I can and often have burned rubber on upshifts all the way through 4th gear. Still feels as solid as it was from the factory. Knock wood.

The bite point is so high and narrow that the only way to not stall it a lot in 1st is to ride the clutch a little every time. Drop the clutch in first and it either stalls (if your reflexes are too slow) or else it leaps forward like a scared cat.

I taught my youngest to drive a stick in that car. At one point, he rode the clutch so hard, for so long, that the stench of burnt clutch filled my garage for nearly two weeks. Thought the clutch was done for then. Buy nope, still going strong.

What a freaking car. Been totally falling in love all over again.
 
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I mean, I could understand cheering about a new factory that makes yoga pants, or candy or personal lubricant or legal cocaine or good stuff like that.

But batteries? Really?
 
Electric mini truck production- new company in Texas--Bad name for a product- "Vanish". If it does not sell, the headlines will write themselves:

"The Vanish’s versatility is one of its main selling points, with ARYO’s engineers focusing on an adaptable design. The mini-truck’s standard model features a “common core chassis,” essentially a compact flatbed truck. However, multiple configurations are available to tailor it for specific utility purposes."


Hyundai getting serious:

 
With production of the refreshed Model 3 (Highland) around the corner in the US, Tesla is cutting prices on inventory Model 3s. Factoring in the fed $7.5k + NJ $4k credits, an inventory Model 3 (Standard Range) costs $25,520. That does not factor in the additional savings of fuel (mine was $884 over the last 12 months as reference).

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-inventory-prices-u-s/
How many miles did you drive over that last 12 months?
 
I'll have to figure out my savings, as I am coming up on my 1 year anniversary. I have yet to pay for charging. I charge at work for free, and at my house for "free." Not sure how to calculate the home cost, as we have solar, and our energy is essentially free. Putting all of that aside, nothing beats the convenience of having to never stop at a gas station and always filling up at home/work. A road trip is somewhere in the future, but not going to worry about range and charging- like a lot of EV owners, 90 plus percent of my charging is at home.
 
I'll have to figure out my savings, as I am coming up on my 1 year anniversary. I have yet to pay for charging. I charge at work for free, and at my house for "free." Not sure how to calculate the home cost, as we have solar, and our energy is essentially free. Putting all of that aside, nothing beats the convenience of having to never stop at a gas station and always filling up at home/work. A road trip is somewhere in the future, but not going to worry about range and charging- like a lot of EV owners, 90 plus percent of my charging is at home.
Since I have solar I just put $0.0 in the app as my electric rate. I had a few months of having to exclusively supercharge while I was moving, but on the year I still have an estimated $2650 in gas savings. Once that catches up to 100% at home free charging that number should be above $3500
 
Since I have solar I just put $0.0 in the app as my electric rate. I had a few months of having to exclusively supercharge while I was moving, but on the year I still have an estimated $2650 in gas savings. Once that catches up to 100% at home free charging that number should be above $3500
Just a spitball estimate here, but will probably log about 10,000 miles. Probably would have gotten no better than 20 mpg in an ICE F150, that would be 500 gallons of gas, averaging around $4/gallon, saves $2000/year.
 
Putting all of that aside, nothing beats the convenience of having to never stop at a gas station and always filling up at home/work.
Nothing? Hm. Well, perhaps for you, although I suspect some measure of hyperbole at play here. 😉

I'm happy for you guys who are happy about saving money on gas and avoiding gas stops. Certainly that's a nice benefit of EVs.

But, you know, I can think of a number of things revolving around cars that are higher on my priority list than avoiding gas stops. But as always, each to their own.
 
I'll have to figure out my savings, as I am coming up on my 1 year anniversary. I have yet to pay for charging. I charge at work for free, and at my house for "free." Not sure how to calculate the home cost, as we have solar, and our energy is essentially free. Putting all of that aside, nothing beats the convenience of having to never stop at a gas station and always filling up at home/work. A road trip is somewhere in the future, but not going to worry about range and charging- like a lot of EV owners, 90 plus percent of my charging is at home.
The Tesla app does the calculation using the $/kWh of my electric provider and average monthly gas prices in NJ.

We're up for a new roof in the next few years. Definitely going solar + battery. Hoping by that time NJ offers some type of virtual power plant for homeowners with solar and battery, but not holding my breath on that...knowing how NJ works.
 
The Tesla app does the calculation using the $/kWh of my electric provider and average monthly gas prices in NJ.

We're up for a new roof in the next few years. Definitely going solar + battery. Hoping by that time NJ offers some type of virtual power plant for homeowners with solar and battery, but not holding my breath on that...knowing how NJ works.
I heard mixed things about battery backup. Besides, after Sandy, we installed a natural gas backup generator, ozone layer be damned. I can live with that, as it runs very infrequently. We are considering when our gas water heater and furnaces crap out switching to electric heat pump and electric water heater to leverage off the solar, as our gas bill gets high in the winter. If we are replacing equipment, why not go for the free energy option.

Do you think Tesla will (maybe they already do?) will provide the same feature that F150 Lightning does to power a home in a blackout?
 
I heard mixed things about battery backup. Besides, after Sandy, we installed a natural gas backup generator, ozone layer be damned. I can live with that, as it runs very infrequently. We are considering when our gas water heater and furnaces crap out switching to electric heat pump and electric water heater to leverage off the solar, as our gas bill gets high in the winter. If we are replacing equipment, why not go for the free energy option.

Do you think Tesla will (maybe they already do?) will provide the same feature that F150 Lightning does to power a home in a blackout?
isn't that what the tesla powerwall is supposed to do?
 
I heard mixed things about battery backup. Besides, after Sandy, we installed a natural gas backup generator, ozone layer be damned. I can live with that, as it runs very infrequently. We are considering when our gas water heater and furnaces crap out switching to electric heat pump and electric water heater to leverage off the solar, as our gas bill gets high in the winter. If we are replacing equipment, why not go for the free energy option.

Do you think Tesla will (maybe they already do?) will provide the same feature that F150 Lightning does to power a home in a blackout?
It's a question that has been asked numerous times over the years. The 2 most common answers are:
1. The original roadster had bi-directional charging capabilities, but according to Tesla, no one really used it so it was discontinued.
2. The finite # of charging cycles of a battery pack.

I'm sure part of the reason is added manufacturing costs and complexities and, probably biggest of all, bi-directional charging Tesla vehicles would cut into Powerwall sales. IIRC, they're not 100% opposed to incorporating this feature into future vehicles. Who knows, maybe Cybertruck will have that capability.
 
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Just bought a new Bolt Premier with all the good stuff. After State and Fed incentives, $24,250...and no sales tax. So good. And I can sell my 2019 Ionic for $15,500 on Carvana...close to what I paid for it.
My brother bought a bolt a few months ago - really likes it. you can also get Tesla Model 3 right now for a similar price.

$27,260 total out the door with the state and federal incentives. Amazing deal right - and no haggling.
 
It'll be very interesting to see how Toyota proceeds.

The article mentions their "Lean Production Method". Combines just-in-time supply of parts with self-propelled assembly lines, leading to a system with extreme flexibility such that a wide variety of different cars can be assembled all on one production line, without having to switch stuff around. The production line can mix different car models and trims one after the other allowing multiple car types to be built on the same line all day long.

It's really pretty amazing, to me at least, how it works. Porsche adopted the system, presumably w/help from Toyota, many years back, They have a bunch of videos floating around of various cars being built, which is mostly how I know about it.

I have to think most large automotive companies use some version of it now. It seems to work very well for those companies who adopted the approach.

Porsche's public-facing build and delivery tracking system, OTOH, is a hot mess. The projected dates fluctuate wildly and are often demonstrably incorrect (e.g. the system lists people's cars as still sitting at the port in Emden Germany while the customer's sitting in their car at the dealership). That's a happy example. The examples are not all happy.

My sales guy was complaining bitterly to me about it yesterday. All the inaccuracy is causing customers to freak out and besiege the sales people w/calls. And the sales people have zero control over production or tracking.

First world problems.
 
It'll be very interesting to see how Toyota proceeds.

The article mentions their "Lean Production Method". Combines just-in-time supply of parts with self-propelled assembly lines, leading to a system with extreme flexibility such that a wide variety of different cars can be assembled all on one production line, without having to switch stuff around. The production line can mix different car models and trims one after the other allowing multiple car types to be built on the same line all day long.

It's really pretty amazing, to me at least, how it works. Porsche adopted the system, presumably w/help from Toyota, many years back, They have a bunch of videos floating around of various cars being built, which is mostly how I know about it.

I have to think most large automotive companies use some version of it now. It seems to work very well for those companies who adopted the approach.

Porsche's public-facing build and delivery tracking system, OTOH, is a hot mess. The projected dates fluctuate wildly and are often demonstrably incorrect (e.g. the system lists people's cars as still sitting at the port in Emden Germany while the customer's sitting in their car at the dealership). That's a happy example. The examples are not all happy.

My sales guy was complaining bitterly to me about it yesterday. All the inaccuracy is causing customers to freak out and besiege the sales people w/calls. And the sales people have zero control over production or tracking.

First world problems.

Speaking of first world problems, I had a conversation the other day with a couple who just finished 3 months cruising the south of France on a brand new Fountaine-Pajot Aura 51.

They were super-excited that, in those three months, they turned on their generator precisely once and that was just to test it to make sure it worked.

This is a 4 cabin boat (the master takes up the entire starboard hull) with multi-zone climate control, fully integrated electronics, water maker, 3 heads with electric flush toilets and an upsized hot water heater - not to mention the lights (all LED) and various entertainment systems. All of it run, full-time, on solar and LiIon batteries.

The future is bright.
 
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Speaking of first world problems, I had a conversation the other day with a couple who just finished 3 months cruising the south of France on a brand new Fountaine-Pajot Aura 51.

They were super-excited that, in those three months, they turned on their generator precisely once and that was just to test it to make sure it worked.

This is a 4 cabin boat (the master takes up the entire starboard hull) with multi-zone climate control, fully integrated electronics, water maker, 3 heads with electric flush toilets and an upsized hot water heater - not to mention the lights (all LED) and various entertainment systems. All of it run, full-time, on solar and LiIon batteries.

The future is bright.
Oooh. Checked out the boat. That looks really nice.

And... well... on the boat website, in the photos, that second woman looks a bit too old to be a daughter. So I'm thinking the dude is sailing around with two women. Which is nice, when you can get it.

And the pricing is a lot less than I would've thought.

So yeah... now I'm starting to think cars suck and I should get a boat.

You suck. 😀
 
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