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OT: Electric vehicles
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Based on the most recent comments in the thread, some here think the current macroeconomic and geopolitical environment will only negatively impact Tesla.
This looks pretty nice, from Infiniti (except the wheels):
Elon Musk just lost $28 billion as Tesla took a beating. Now Toyota says ‘people are waking up to reality’ that EV adoption will be an uphill battle
"We’re transitioning to a brand new technology. It’s expensive. It requires people to have a different relationship with their vehicle that has been largely unchanged for decades," one expert said.
I don't think EV adoption will be quite the uphill battle Akio Toyoda appears to think it will be. I'm repeating myself, but I think EVs are here to stay until replaced by something cleaner and more efficient (which will happen at some point).
Elon Musk just lost $28 billion as Tesla took a beating. Now Toyota says ‘people are waking up to reality’ that EV adoption will be an uphill battle
"We’re transitioning to a brand new technology. It’s expensive. It requires people to have a different relationship with their vehicle that has been largely unchanged for decades," one expert said.finance.yahoo.com
But I also think it'll take longer than EV evangelists claim. And I think alternatives such as hybrids and potentially the efuel approach being tested out in motorsport will play a role for a long while.
The focus should be on measurable impacts to the environment rather than any particular automotive technology. Theories are all well and good. But unless we can measure the impact and see stuff working, it's going to be pretty hard to convince some people.
And, in the US at least, governments trying to force adoption of stuff is unlikely to survive across multiple administrations, both at the federal and state levels.
180 on the EV narrative in the span of a few weeks. We've gone from "the competition is coming" to "no one want an EV".Elon Musk just lost $28 billion as Tesla took a beating. Now Toyota says ‘people are waking up to reality’ that EV adoption will be an uphill battle
"We’re transitioning to a brand new technology. It’s expensive. It requires people to have a different relationship with their vehicle that has been largely unchanged for decades," one expert said.
The best selling car in the world is an EV (Model Y). With interest rates skyrocketing, affordability is the issue, not demand. Tesla's price cuts were the death blow to legacy auto and their first attempts at EVs. They need to do better. Hopefully they will. Don't buy the spin.
I don't much care about Model Ys or Corollas (or who sells how much), so didn't want to look up more recent numbers (or verify the article's or your numbers). But as of July, according to this article, your statement doesn't appear to be true.
Is Tesla Model Y the World’s Best-Selling Car? Nope, Not Even Close
But Tesla’s revenues and profits are up, and the Cybertruck and Robotaxi are still on for debuts this year.
Perhaps you have different data or something changed substantially (articles says Corollas sold 75% more)?
I don't much care about Model Ys or Corollas (or who sells how much), so didn't want to look up more recent numbers (or verify the article's or your numbers). But as of July, according to this article, your statement doesn't appear to be true.
Is Tesla Model Y the World’s Best-Selling Car? Nope, Not Even Close
But Tesla’s revenues and profits are up, and the Cybertruck and Robotaxi are still on for debuts this year.www.autoweek.com
Perhaps you have different data or something changed substantially (articles says Corollas sold 75% more)?
Thanks. Didn't buy that myself so you saved me time looking it up.
Legacy auto is currently presenting some sweet phev designs from their "deathbed" (Japan Mobility Show).
The Mazda Iconic SP, in particular.
I mean, maybe he's right. But he does tend to take what Musk, or Tesla, says as verbatim while most of the rest of us understand that most, if not all, automotive CEOs lie all the time.
The cynical genius strikes again. Corolla sales in 2022 were 1.1 million units. According to this article, they'd be on pace for over 2.9 million units in 2023.I don't much care about Model Ys or Corollas (or who sells how much), so didn't want to look up more recent numbers (or verify the article's or your numbers). But as of July, according to this article, your statement doesn't appear to be true.
Is Tesla Model Y the World’s Best-Selling Car? Nope, Not Even Close
But Tesla’s revenues and profits are up, and the Cybertruck and Robotaxi are still on for debuts this year.
Perhaps you have different data or something changed substantially (articles says Corollas sold 75% more)?
I think not.
And they would like nothing more than to continue greenwashing with their hybrids.
They suck at BEVs and are creating a false narrative for low sales.
Idk how anyone catches up to Tesla. It’s going to take years.
Think what you want. But why should we take your word over Autoweek’s? Nevermind, looking at car sales numbers is like watching paint dry.
I love Toyota but have never taken personal pride in global Corolla or RAV4 sales.
I suppose I'm glad the Tacoma is US midsize leader, but only because of the innovation in the always-ballooning aftermarket.
Before this thread existed, I never once in my life knew or cared about how many vehicles of any particular type or brand were sold. I can't imagine why anybody but the people who sell them GAF.
I guess shareholders have an interest, if they're not long-term buy and hold investors. Although I own a fair amount of Tesla stock and I still couldn't care less about how many cars they sell.
I'm a car guy gear-head type. Totally into cars. But I'm into the driving of cars... into the experience while in the cars. Not sure what label to apply to people who hang on the latest car sales figures. But neither "car guy" nor "gear head" would seem to apply.
Anyway, each to their own.
My town has about 4 or 5 R1S. Not a surprise. Expect to see more. Lighting is now up to 3. Have seen an uptick in ID 4.
Was down at West Windsor for a kids event. Had a couple of guys asking me about my Lighting. Seems like it’s still getting interest. One guy was driving an ICE F150 FX4 with performance exhaust. I did have a little engine sound envy.
Was down at West Windsor for a kids event. Had a couple of guys asking me about my Lighting. Seems like it’s still getting interest. One guy was driving an ICE F150 FX4 with performance exhaust. I did have a little engine sound envy.
Honda announces a hybrid Prelude concept car. I'm not crazy about the looks but glad to see the name come back. I had a '92 SI and loved that car. Drove it for 19 years.
Prelude hybrid
Prelude hybrid
Hertz pulls back on EV plans citing Tesla price cuts, high repair costs
Hertz now has 35,000 Tesla vehicles and around 50,000 electric vehicles in its fleet.
Shocking. Who could have predicted the realities wouldn’t live up to the hype? 🙂Hertz pulls back on EV plans citing Tesla price cuts, high repair costs
Hertz now has 35,000 Tesla vehicles and around 50,000 electric vehicles in its fleet.www.cnbc.com
The realities for all things are never as rosy as evangelists (and cultists) make them out to be.
Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working
Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working
From GM to Tesla to Mercedes, execs across the auto industry are tempering expectations on electric vehicles.
www.businessinsider.com
I found this quote, from the article, pretty funny. Poor Mercedes. LOLAuto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working
Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working
From GM to Tesla to Mercedes, execs across the auto industry are tempering expectations on electric vehicles.
"Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz — which is having to discount its EVs by several thousand dollars just to get them in customers' hands — isn't mincing words about the state of the EV market."
I guess being a premium luxury brand just isn't what it used to be. They can't charge enormous ADMs over MSRP anymore. Can we all produce a collective sympathetic "awwwwww". 😂
Legacy car companies are gonna have to go through the same pain Tesla did. They really don’t have a choice because if they don’t they’ll go out of business.
Yes, but the demand is not as high as Tesla makes you think it is. No need to put all your eggs in basket. The company that can balance the transition with ICE, hybrid, EV will be the winner.
Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working
Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working
From GM to Tesla to Mercedes, execs across the auto industry are tempering expectations on electric vehicles.
Ya not surprisingly I don't think that headline is accurate.
I think it would be more accurate to say the enormous supply influx has far exceeded a strong but not enormous demand.
But that is good for those that are looking to purchase an EV. Prices are coming down, and will likely come down a lot more.
So if you are a drug dealer, this is the car for you. That’s bad ass driving through an Indian reservation.
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Toyota rides weak yen, demand for hybrids to post blowout profit
Toyota Motor more than doubled its second-quarter profit and sharply raised its full-year outlook on Wednesday, as a weaker yen currency bolstered the impact of robust global sales.
what did the resident teslarati say about toyota?
Right? And they stated it with such self-assurance, such self-righteousness, such absolute certainty. 😀Toyota rides weak yen, demand for hybrids to post blowout profit
Toyota Motor more than doubled its second-quarter profit and sharply raised its full-year outlook on Wednesday, as a weaker yen currency bolstered the impact of robust global sales.www.reuters.com
what did the resident teslarati say about toyota?
Never seems wise to be certain about anything, especially about the future.
Not to rub salt in their wounds, but I seem to recall speculating that, ultimately, the Toyota execs might come out looking pretty smart with their measured approach to adoption. Of course, it's still early days and things will change around a bunch over the next 5-10 years, let alone in the next 50 years.
Who knows, perhaps Legacy Toyota will fade away to nothingness, vindicating the smug prognostications of Teslerati everywhere. Woo hoo! 😂
Cybertruck to become the best selling vehicle of all time confirmed…
That's like the board reverse jinx! We shall see. Personally, the thing is too weird looking. Is the payload thing true?
