OT: Electric vehicles

[mildone]

Wonder how the Taycan is doing vs model S? Tesla only report S/X sales.

No idea. I‘ve seen numerous posts by 911 or Cayenne owners who discuss their Taycans though. Always favorably, that I’ve seen at least. Haven’t spent any time in the Taycan sub-forum.

Rennlist has lots of ideologically-driven folks who dismiss EVs, but they tend to be segregated to an off-topic sub-forum, which itself has a politics sub-forum not all too different than the CE board here. Same obsessive paranoid nuttiness. 😀

 

[OntheBanks]

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That can't be true. All I hear is that nobody wants to buy EV's and they are piling up on lots.🚗🚘

 

[mildone]

That can't be true. All I hear is that nobody wants to buy EV's and they are piling up on lots.🚗🚘

I don't really know who to believe, TBH. I see people posting numbers (here, on Rennlist, other places) that all seem to contradict the stuff others are posting.

I am pretty sure EVs are selling just fine. But I'm not sure that means dealers aren't also building inventory on their lots.

It's kind of interesting, but not really. They're cars. Who cares what people are buying?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Are people aware yet of future zone controls ?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

That can't be true. All I hear is that nobody wants to buy EV's and they are piling up on lots.🚗🚘

A car sitting on a dealership lot is counted as a sale. Registration data is a better metric.

 

[RutHut]

https://www.ttnews.com/articles/tes...il&utm_source=rasa_io&utm_campaign=newsletter

 

[RU4Real]

2024 Hybrid Corvette E-Ray

Spoiler alert: It's fast. Very, very fast.

 

[mildone]

2024 Hybrid Corvette E-Ray

Spoiler alert: It's fast. Very, very fast.

2.5s is very quick. The Z06 is 2.6s which is also very quick. If I got PDK, I'd be around 2.7s. With a manual, I'm out of the running entirely.

The e-ray tops out at 180mph though, not really sure why. Versus the Z06 at 195 (188 w/Z07 pkg, 194 in base Stingray model). Not that very many people will ever get to those speeds anyway.

I actually saw a C8 Z06 w/Z07 package up close and personal earlier today, when picking up my car from my detailer/PPF guy. The Corvette was heading in as I headed out. The lowered stance, wider body, and big-ass wing help me dislike the rear styling somewhat less.

The 'Vette was parked right outside the door to the shop, so the tech had to move it off to the side so he could back my car out. Watching him wrestle the wheel to park the 'Vette illustrated the awesome front grip provided by the Z06's massive front tires. The massive tires explain why C&D has the Z06 at 1.16g versus my lowly 1.11 on the skidpad. I have mechanical grip envy. 😕

At least I have the e-ray beat for skidpad numbers as it only hits 1.08. OTOH, I get about 17 mpg under the best of circumstances whereas C&D has the e-ray getting about 23 mpg.

BTW, and more on-topic for the thread, if anybody wants a recommendation for a PPF guy, let me know. My guy does really good work and does a ton of Teslas - seems like every time I'm visiting his shop, there's a Tesla of some kind there. He's in Hillsborough, so a pretty central location. And he is extremely well reviewed on Google, so it ain't just me.

 

[Knight Shift]

As many have said, hybrids

 

[Knight Shift]

Thoughts from Ford Lightning owners who purchased Lightnings and have given up with purchasing a Cybertruck. Think the CT sales will be flat.

"As I wait for my Cybertruck, I bought a Ford Lariat Lightning, and love it more than I expected. I almost bought the Rivian. It came down to their being no Rivian service center anywhere near me at the time, and the size of the Ford's backseat and size of the frunk over the Rivian.

PS I thought I was getting the Lightning to hold me over for the Cybertruck but I have been pleasantly surprised.
Life is short. Get something now if you can. Don't let a dealer stand in your way.
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I had the same experience. Bought a Lightning while waiting for a CT order And now I love it so much that I seriously doubt I’ll buy a CT. Tomorrow is the Tesla 3rd quarter earnings call. Rumor they will announce the CT delivery event. Maybe some details. Nothing I’ve seen so far has me even remotely considering buying one. We’ll see.
I don’t understand why anyone would insist on a new over used. You can get the next level trim for less than a new lower level trim. Four months agoI bought my 22 Lariat for $70k with just 3500 miles. There are listings here and the other Lightning forum for less than $70k. I just don’t get it. You’re not stuck with just a dealer‘s mark up or games. I would have bought new but all of the local dealers were not even remotely interested in selling at MSRP. Maybe the tax incentive is bigger than I realize."

I know why Ford can't sell all Lightnings on dealer lots.

It's the dealerships. Say one thing to get you in the door and another when you try to buy. Why would I have assumed things have changed. I may end up with a CT or a Rivian, but I won't need to work with a crappy Ford dealership. I thought there may be one, but I guess I'm wrong. In the...

www.f150lightningforum.com

 

[Knight Shift]

@jtung230 , this you???

Last Saturday I finally got to do a proper tailgate with my new Lightning, tacos on the tailgate. We had a crock pot with shredded chicken, an electric grill to warm tortillas, a blender for the margaritas and an air fryer for the taquitos. And last but not least a TV to watch football.
I did find that the air fryer and grill needed to be on separate breakers so the grill got plugged into a frunk outlet the rest were handled by the bed outlets. For a three hour tailgate I only used about 7% of the battery.

Tailgating Lightning Style

Last Saturday I finally got to do a proper tailgate with my new Lightning, tacos on the tailgate. We had a crock pot with shredded chicken, an electric grill to warm tortillas, a blender for the margaritas and an air fryer for the taquitos. And last but not least a TV to watch football. I did...

www.f150lightningforum.com

 

[RU4Real]

@jtung230 , this you???

Last Saturday I finally got to do a proper tailgate with my new Lightning, tacos on the tailgate. We had a crock pot with shredded chicken, an electric grill to warm tortillas, a blender for the margaritas and an air fryer for the taquitos. And last but not least a TV to watch football.
I did find that the air fryer and grill needed to be on separate breakers so the grill got plugged into a frunk outlet the rest were handled by the bed outlets. For a three hour tailgate I only used about 7% of the battery.

Tailgating Lightning Style

Last Saturday I finally got to do a proper tailgate with my new Lightning, tacos on the tailgate. We had a crock pot with shredded chicken, an electric grill to warm tortillas, a blender for the margaritas and an air fryer for the taquitos. And last but not least a TV to watch football. I did...

www.f150lightningforum.com

That is truly awesome.

 

[Knight Shift]

That is truly awesome.

If you made room for me, and I could get my lazy arse on the road at a decent time on gameday, we could fire something up.

 

[RU4Real]

If you made room for me, and I could get my lazy arse on the road at a decent time on gameday, we could fire something up.

We have no problem making room for you.

We met up at 0745 last week. Yes, you would have to get yourself out of bed.

Maybe you just show up the night before and sleep in your fancy truck.

 

[mildone]

That is truly awesome.

I agree with this. An awesome tailgate vehicle.

 

[jtung230]

@jtung230 , this you???

Last Saturday I finally got to do a proper tailgate with my new Lightning, tacos on the tailgate. We had a crock pot with shredded chicken, an electric grill to warm tortillas, a blender for the margaritas and an air fryer for the taquitos. And last but not least a TV to watch football.
I did find that the air fryer and grill needed to be on separate breakers so the grill got plugged into a frunk outlet the rest were handled by the bed outlets. For a three hour tailgate I only used about 7% of the battery.

Tailgating Lightning Style

Last Saturday I finally got to do a proper tailgate with my new Lightning, tacos on the tailgate. We had a crock pot with shredded chicken, an electric grill to warm tortillas, a blender for the margaritas and an air fryer for the taquitos. And last but not least a TV to watch football. I did...

www.f150lightningforum.com

Walk around the yellow lot to find out

 

[RU4Real]

Walk around the yellow lot to find out

Well that picture clearly indicates a truck on blacktop, so it's not in yellow.

Can YOU get to the yellow lot 5 or 6 hours before kickoff? We've already pretty much established that @Knight Shift can't.

 

[jtung230]

Well that picture clearly indicates a truck on blacktop, so it's not in yellow.

Can YOU get to the yellow lot 5 or 6 hours before kickoff? We've already pretty much established that @Knight Shift can't.

I rolled in the lot after the 1st Q last week. @Knight Shift was parked a few rows in front of me 😟. Need a later KO time.

 

[mildone]

Didn’t read the article because there was nowhere to go butt down after the headline…

This Butt Plug Will Allow Toyota To Build 900-Mile EVs [Update]

Presumably, the charge port on these EVs will be at the rear.

jalopnik.com

 

[Knight Shift]

Well that picture clearly indicates a truck on blacktop, so it's not in yellow.

Can YOU get to the yellow lot 5 or 6 hours before kickoff? We've already pretty much established that @Knight Shift can't.

Oh, I can. And I'm an early riser. I have had other stuff to get done before leaving. Maybe one of the final 2 we can get it together. Maybe get @jtung230 in on the action, if he can arrive early enough. What color is your Lightning?

 

[mildone]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-tesla-model-3-highland-first-drive-review/

 

[Knight Shift]

Tesla hasn’t released Autopilot safety data in a year – something to hide?

Tesla hasn’t released an Autopilot safety data report in about a year. It’s not clear why, but it is disappointing...

electrek.co

 

[Knight Shift]

Looks like it is Ford F150 Lighting and Rivian for the foreseeable future of EV pickup trucks.

GM is pushing Silverado EV truck production back at Orion assembly by another year

General Motors announced Tuesday it will push back electric truck production at its Orion assembly plant in Michigan by another...

electrek.co

 

[RutgersNo1]

 

[fsg2]

I'll give thanks that I'll never own one!

 

[jtung230]

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Even this can’t distract the terrible performance for Q3. But it’s an AI company so don’t worry about the decrease in everything

 

[RutgersNo1]

 

[mildone]

Oooooooh, ooooooooh! A battery plant is opening up in a month and a half. Oooooh!

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

 

[RU4Real]

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This is just dumb. "Nothing to copy"? You mean... building cars?

 

[mildone]

This is just dumb. "Nothing to copy"? You mean... building cars?

But this is a magical car. Elon says so, so it must be true.

 

[jtung230]

This is just dumb. "Nothing to copy"? You mean... building cars?

Yes, he is right. DMC went out of business in 1983.

 

[RUAldo]

If I wasn’t so lazy I’d dig out the CT wagers from this thread…LOL…the CT debacle was obvious.

 

[RU-05]

If I wasn’t so lazy I’d dig out the CT wagers from this thread…LOL…the CT debacle was obvious.

I posted this in the stock thread, a direct quote from Musk:

“We built our own grave with Cybertruck”

 

[RUevolution36]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-tesla-model-3-highland-first-drive-review/

which one of the indoctrinated ones were telling us that the panel gaps didnt matter and we were making mountains out of molehills?

 

[mildone]

which one of the indoctrinated ones were telling us that the panel gaps didnt matter and we were making mountains out of molehills?

This is, to me, the most telling paragraph from the article:

"Once again, Tesla's ability to pass off cost-cutting measures as innovation is unmatched. Physical buttons, switches, and levers are expensive to engineer. Parts that don't move are far cheaper, and software code is even less costly. There are engineers at every automaker in the world who'd kill to have their own cost-cutting viewed nearly as favorably, and even praised, by customers."

For Tesla, having an army of sycophantic cultish worshipers is a good thing. For the worshippers, maybe not so much. But they don't care, supported as they are by the fervor of their adulation. Buy a Tesla and find it significantly devalued by a fresh round of Tesla price cuts a week later? "Thank you lord Elon, may I have another."

Lending support to the article author's statement above, contrast the Teslerati mindset with Porsche customers where, in the SUV forums, new Cayenne owners are ripping Porsche right now for their cost-cutting measures on interiors.

The biggest (valid, IMO) complaint in those forums, at the moment, is that engaging the garage door close function (HomeLink) no longer has a dedicated physical button, it requires touching a screen. Only the screen is showing the rear camera view while backing up, so the driver has to stop the car, and switch from the rear camera view, in order to close the garage door. The function can be assigned to a physical button, but there's only one assignable physical button and multiple issues like this. Brilliant! LOL

Porsche needs to hire Elon to get in front of a camera and say "it's a unique innovative safety feature making these the safest vehicles on the planet", or some such bullshit.

 

[RU4Real]

The biggest (valid, IMO) complaint in those forums, at the moment, is that engaging the garage door close function (HomeLink) no longer has a dedicated physical button, it requires touching a screen. Only the screen is showing the rear camera view while backing up, so the driver has to stop the car, and switch from the rear camera view, in order to close the garage door. The function can be assigned to a physical button, but there's only one assignable physical button and multiple issues like this. Brilliant! LOL

There was an episode of Top Gear where James May drove a Model S for a week or so.

His biggest complaint? His home has a gated driveway, that requires physically opening the gate. This is actually pretty common in the UK.

Whenever he would get out of the car to open the gate, the car would dutifully power itself down. "Maddening" was the word he used.

 

[mildone]

There was an episode of Top Gear where James May drove a Model S for a week or so.

His biggest complaint? His home has a gated driveway, that requires physically opening the gate. This is actually pretty common in the UK.

Whenever he would get out of the car to open the gate, the car would dutifully power itself down. "Maddening" was the word he used.

That's entirely his fault for having a gate. The car is absolute perfection. May should send Elon a check to thank him for the prompted physical activity which is all part of Tesla's highest owner healthcare ratings.





I'm trying to exercise my cultish worship chops. How'd I do? 😀

 

[mildone]

There was an episode of Top Gear where James May drove a Model S for a week or so.

His biggest complaint? His home has a gated driveway, that requires physically opening the gate. This is actually pretty common in the UK.

Whenever he would get out of the car to open the gate, the car would dutifully power itself down. "Maddening" was the word he used.

To expand upon my earlier response, Tesla is thinking of adding a new feature that would encourage even more physical exercise in its customers.

When May arrives at the gate, gets out and opens the gate, the car will shut down as usual.

But the new feature will cut power to the drive system until the GPS senses the car is in its usual parking spot. Thus, the only way to get the car back on will be to push it to its parking spot.

Elon can bill this new feature as a range expanding feature and charge $5K for it. People would never pay for such a thing, you say? They pay $12K (or whatever) for FSD beta which puts their lives at risk, so I’m sure they will pay for the new exercise program.

Elon’s gonna reach out to me and make a job offer any day now.

 

[RUevolution36]

To expand upon my earlier response, Tesla is thinking of adding a new feature that would encourage even more physical exercise in its customers.

When May arrives at the gate, gets out and opens the gate, the car will shut down as usual.

But the new feature will cut power to the drive system until the GPS senses the car is in its usual parking spot. Thus, the only way to get the car back on will be to push it to its parking spot.

Elon can bill this new feature as a range expanding feature and charge $5K for it. People would never pay for such a thing, you say? They pay $12K (or whatever) for FSD beta which puts their lives at risk, so I’m sure they will pay for the new exercise program.

Elon’s gonna reach out to me and make a job offer any day now.

or...it could park itself in the furthest possible spot after opening the gate then setting off the theft deterrent alarm, requiring the owner/operator to walk to the car and get in to turn it off. that would help the war against obesity.

 

[mildone]

or...it could park itself in the furthest possible spot after opening the gate then setting off the theft deterrent alarm, requiring the owner/operator to walk to the car and get in to turn it off. that would help the war against obesity.

My watch nags me constantly to get up and engage in some physical activity (I'm like, what, looking at internet porn isn't active enough, but I digress).

So anyway, having one's car do the nagging AND manipulate things such that activity is required is just another step in humanity's evolution of giving all control to our digital overlords. The final step being that we merge with our devices and become the device itself.

At which point, we'll all literally be a bunch of tools.