Ignore dealerships. They want nothing to do with EVs. Much less parts/maintenance.
OT: Electric vehicles
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I charge my EV faster than your trip to the gas station. Takes about 10 seconds to plug in when I get home.
You must do a lot of driving. 300 miles/charge is plenty for anyone's normal day.
Yeah, let's ignore the environmental damage of fossil fuel extraction, refining, and transport. 99% of a battery pack can be recycled into high grade ore. A closed loop system of recycled battery minerals is possible with EVs.
EVs are cheaper to own and operate than ICE and are basically on a cost parity right now.
EV sales continue to rise here in the US and globally.
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That's the thing these knuckledraggers don't understand. They just want to sling barbs.
The bane of my ICE driving existence was having to stop at gas stations to fuel up. I hated going to NJ gas stations, having to wait for an attendant to pump gas in an understaffed station. Averaged 15-20 minutes for each stop. Usually cost $50-80 per four times per month, at least.
Now, like you, I come home, plug in, and for the 30-60 miles I drove, the car charges up in about 15-30 minutes while I am inside my home doing something more productive than sitting in a gas station wasting money on gasoline. My electrons are free since we have solar panels on our home making more energy than we consume.
And no scheduled maintenance!!! Woo hoo. Easily saving $4-5,000/year over an ICE vehicle.
Winning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blinded by their political loyalty. EVs = bad. End of story. Maybe they should actually get behind the wheel of one.
That probably depends on where people live.
It will be challenging to provide sufficient at home charging infrastructure in apartment complexes, condominium, complexes, etc.
Either the government or private entities will need to provide charging infrastructure at parking facilities for commuters and large office parks, etc to meet the charging needs of people who do not have charging at home. I have no idea whether that is "a majority of people" or not.
Most homes can add a level 2 charger but it cost money to add. I don’t consider level 1 a charging station.
A lot of the folks who would still be buying ICEVs are supercar or otherwise high-end sports car enthusiasts. I know a bunch and none of us will blink at $20/gallon. Or even $50/gallon. Although it's not entirely clear to me what those fuels will cost be by the time EVs reach 90% market-share. They may wind up less expensive than we're assuming.
Still, no argument from me that it'll be niche. It absolutely will be, much in the same way that high-end sports car buyers are niche.
Should go over well with struggling, low income people driving 15 year old cars.
How about people living in multi family homes and crowded apartment buildings in the inner cities, sorry but they are basically void of safe or friendly parking.
Driving in Paterson and Passaic is a memorable experience… electric cars and charging stations, no problema.
I guess I’m fortunate my Montclair Delta station takes about 5 minutes…or less
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yeah its just a such hassle to drive to the dump, tell the guy to fill it and be on your way in two minutes
Although we just bought an EV, as I’ve mentioned I can’t see us moving away from our F-350 diesel anytime soon because there isn’t anything that can tow an 8000+ lb travel trailer easily and 40 miles out from the nearest town on forest service roads and have enough range to get back. As far as our EV though so far it’s been great. Was able to charge from ~60 to 80% at an Electrify America station in about 8 minutes. I think from 20 to 80% would take about 20-25 minutes. We have a level 2 at home that hits about 10.5 kw and was able to go from 50 to 80% in about 2.5 hours overnight. Charging infrastructure isn’t ideal yet but is getting better along with charging speeds but what’s really nice is being able to easily charge at home which isn’t something one can do with an ICE vehicle. We also have solar so that helps offset costs as well.
Where in this country prohibits travel because of lack of charging stations?
Bac didn't say home charging, he said charging stations, which I assumed to mean for travel. In that case, he is dead wrong about access.
@bac2therac
Explain to us where I'm wrong. Still waiting on your dealership explanation too. What's the dealership incentive for selling EVs over ICE? Don't troll the thread if you have nothing to add but emojis.
why is the government forcing a dealership to do anything
I am glad you are part of the privilege that feels good doing your part
I am glad you are part of the privilege that feels good doing your part
really...I am so glad you are privileged to live in urban locations
step out of your bubble please
Electric vehicle charging deserts plague much of the country, especially rural areas
President Joe Biden's administration is leading a push to get more electric vehicles on the road, but the lack of charging infrastructure, particularly in rural areas, poses a challenge for potential EV drivers.
The federal data shows less than 15% of all public charging stations nationwide have DC Fast chargers. Those are the quickest type of charging ports that can typically charge 200 miles in a matter of minutes. Most stations are Level 2, where charging could take hours.
Even when public chargers can be located, InvestigateTV’s analysis discovered many places may have restrictions that limit hours of operation, put caps on charging time, or require you to bring your own cord, creating other problems for EV drivers.
Even when public chargers can be located, InvestigateTV’s analysis discovered many places may have restrictions that limit hours of operation, put caps on charging time, or require you to bring your own cord, creating other problems for EV drivers.
We’ve had a hybrid plug in for almost 7 years. No problem with charging because if we run out of charge the ICE pops on. Encouraged by that we rented a Volvo EV in San Francisco this summer. Even in northern CA I found it very stressful to locate and use charging stations. In the Monterrey area, for example, there was just one high speed non-Tesla station within 7 or 8 miles of Monterrey and it had only 3 chargers. There was a wait each time we went to charge and then 20-30 minutes to charge. Based on this experience I would only buy a Tesla if I was in the market for an EV. As a nation we will need a considerable build out of stations before going much further.
You stated dealerships more skeptical about EV adoption. This is true, and they've been very vocal about this. Dealerships do not want to sell you an EV. Why? The answer is not because they want to give an FU to Uncle Sam. It's because they make much more money on parts, service, and maintenance of ICE vehicles, which is the bread and butter of their business.
My point was do not trust the dealership narrative on EV adoption.
I'm not saying infrastructure doesn't need improvement. It does and it's already accelerating. And, there's a difference between home charging and charging stations. Your statement is still false when you say a "majority of people don't have access to charging stations". Maybe you should articulate more clearly
Sounds exactly like all the oil-industry people who used to state that BEVs would never be competitive with gasoline-powered cars. And of course no EV companies have ever failed. 🙂
It’s entirely possible synth fuels won’t materialize as a viable option. But then we have no idea what technological innovations and/or evolutions will take place over the next 20-25 years.
Specific-technology enthusiasts, such as the BEV fan behind that X account, can make all the negative statements they want. It means nothing and only outs them as short-sighted and technologically ideological.
I've had two Leafs over the past 7 years. I've used a public charger twice. We run 220 down here normally, so didn't have to do anything to charge at home. I currently have a 64 kw Leaf which gives me way more range than I ever need. We have a Toyota hybrid for when we take trips (55 mph). I will replace the hybrid eventually with a PHEV. Only way to go unless you need big towing or the like.
Interesting comments on Tesla/former Tesla Owner(s) and F150 Lightning Experience(s)- not sure why they are comparing the model Y, but OK:
It was really comfortable. It's a completely different experience from the Model Y with its stiff, sports car-like suspension that beats you to death on trips. The regular F150 has morphed into being a comfortable family cruiser over the lanlst two decades, and the Lightning takes that a step further with a smoother ride and silent powertrain. Unlike my other EVs, I can't even hear an inverter whine when I jump on the throttle. The only powertrain noise comes from a pedestrian alert speaker that activates below 25 MPH and when backing up. I got a good comparison with a Powerboost rental truck last week while mine was in for recalls last week, and the Lightning rides noticeably better with its greater heft and independent rear suspension. I've had one car that's ridden better, but nothing has been this quiet and tranquil at highway speeds. Ford did a great job with this.
It’s not very efficient. Most EVs measure efficiency in terms of miles per kilowatt-hour of energy. The truck is rated for of 2.1 mi/kWh on the EPA test cycle, and most reviews suggest it’s capable of nearly that on the highway. I’ve never seen anything close to those numbers, and this trip was no exception. Conditions weren’t great with a moderate headwind and 25-40º temperature for the entire trip, but I could only manage 1.5-1.8 at speeds of 65-70 MPH. Gas prices have been dropping, but fast charging rates have stayed relatively constant, and this thing is one of the least-efficient EVs on the road.
Part of my lousy efficiency may be the tires.
Overall, I’m really happy with it. I switched to the Lightning from a Model Y because I wanted an EV with better towing range for my 3,000-lb folding camper. I love the comfortable ride, and the driver assistance features are easier to live with than Tesla’s inflexible Autopilot. The Lightning is a much less fatiguing highway cruiser that makes up for lower efficiency with a much larger battery pack. It seems to have a bit longer real-world range than the Model Y, but I pay for that at the charging stop
www.f150lightningforum.com
We have a Tesla model y and a lighting. When it comes to road trips we pick the Lightning hands down for everything with the exception of charging infrastructure reliability. As the OP pointed out the Lightning’s ride and driver assist are far superior to the Model Y’s. But the Lightning also has more creature comforts: a much roomier cabin, multiple power supply options for front and rear passengers, and loads of useful storage and proper cup holders! While the Model Y is no slouch when it comes to cargo storage, it can’t match the Lightning. Right now we are on a trip where we loaded 4 passengers, 4 sets of downhill skis, the boots, 4 sets of X-country skis and boots, all our luggage with cold weather gear, and two coolers containing our entire precooked Thanksgiving meal. While the charging situation is usually the dim light compared to our Model Y, the fact that this trip was PA to NH means that we could actually use Superchargers for two of three charge stops due to decent deployment of Magic Dock in NY/CT.
www.f150lightningforum.com
It was really comfortable. It's a completely different experience from the Model Y with its stiff, sports car-like suspension that beats you to death on trips. The regular F150 has morphed into being a comfortable family cruiser over the lanlst two decades, and the Lightning takes that a step further with a smoother ride and silent powertrain. Unlike my other EVs, I can't even hear an inverter whine when I jump on the throttle. The only powertrain noise comes from a pedestrian alert speaker that activates below 25 MPH and when backing up. I got a good comparison with a Powerboost rental truck last week while mine was in for recalls last week, and the Lightning rides noticeably better with its greater heft and independent rear suspension. I've had one car that's ridden better, but nothing has been this quiet and tranquil at highway speeds. Ford did a great job with this.
It’s not very efficient. Most EVs measure efficiency in terms of miles per kilowatt-hour of energy. The truck is rated for of 2.1 mi/kWh on the EPA test cycle, and most reviews suggest it’s capable of nearly that on the highway. I’ve never seen anything close to those numbers, and this trip was no exception. Conditions weren’t great with a moderate headwind and 25-40º temperature for the entire trip, but I could only manage 1.5-1.8 at speeds of 65-70 MPH. Gas prices have been dropping, but fast charging rates have stayed relatively constant, and this thing is one of the least-efficient EVs on the road.
Part of my lousy efficiency may be the tires.
Overall, I’m really happy with it. I switched to the Lightning from a Model Y because I wanted an EV with better towing range for my 3,000-lb folding camper. I love the comfortable ride, and the driver assistance features are easier to live with than Tesla’s inflexible Autopilot. The Lightning is a much less fatiguing highway cruiser that makes up for lower efficiency with a much larger battery pack. It seems to have a bit longer real-world range than the Model Y, but I pay for that at the charging stop
First trip after switching from Tesla.
I drove my truck from Minnesota to my parents' house in New Hampshire this week, which gave me the first real opportunity to get to know its travel manners. I wrote this for another forum that doesn't have many EV owners, so much of this may be a bit redundant in a group of Lightning owners...
www.f150lightningforum.com
First trip after switching from Tesla.
I drove my truck from Minnesota to my parents' house in New Hampshire this week, which gave me the first real opportunity to get to know its travel manners. I wrote this for another forum that doesn't have many EV owners, so much of this may be a bit redundant in a group of Lightning owners...
www.f150lightningforum.com
Traffic Fatalities Are Up Almost Everywhere, But Hoboken Hasn't Had One In Nearly 7 Years
Hoboken seems to have somehow cracked the code to preventing traffic deaths
jalopnik.com
The good news is virtually every EV auto manufacturer will be switching to the NACS charge outlet (what Tesla uses). This will greatly expand and simplify charging options.
Reality is, give it another 5 years and those 15 year old cars will be tesla’s.
A 5 year old Model 3 cost about the same as a same year Honda Accord. EV is here to stay, the world changing with it.
‘You better start swimming or your sink like a stone, cause the times’ they are’a chanigin’
oh it’s 100% going to end up that way. Heck there’s little to no question that by 2028 at the latest new EV sales will overtake ICE sales and once that happens it’s never going back. From there it just becomes simple supply/demand. If more people are buying new EV’s than new ICE’s, eventually more EV’s will re-enter the market as used cars than ICE’s.
What I don’t get is why it’s now a political statement not only the brand of car you drive, but also now the engine it has in it. It’s just stupid at this point. If we’ve gotten to the point that everything is so politicized that the vehicle a person drives and the engine it has is a genuine concern to their political identity, we’re so f*cked as a society
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