OT: Electric vehicles

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Some recent articles on USA EV market shares.

California Tops US EV Adoption: 25% EV Share Of Total Sales In H1 2023

New research paper from BloombergNEF highlights the differences between US states when it comes to EV adoption, EV fleet penetration, and more.

insideevs.com

US electric vehicle sales to hit record this year, but still lag behind China and Germany

Electric vehicle sales are expected to hit a record 9% of all passenger vehicles in the U.S. this year, according to Atlas Public Policy. That will be up from 7.3% of new car sales in 2022.

apnews.com

 

[yessir321]

Absolutely on anti-EV crowd, but what's political about car brand?

Subaru....

 

[fsg2]

Subaru....

Not convinced people buy Subarus based on politics. If anything they buy them b/c (image or reality) they make practical AWD cars for outdoorsy shit and have been doing so long before it was trendy.

That seems to give the brand a crunchy granola (liberal by default) rep, especially since it has a rather small focused lineup, but don't think the horse is actually pulling that particular cart.

 

[yessir321]

Not convinced people buy Subarus based on politics. If anything they buy them b/c (image or reality) they make practical AWD cars for outdoorsy shit and have been doing so long before it was trendy.

That seems to give the brand a crunchy granola (liberal by default) rep, especially since it has a rather small focused lineup, but don't think the horse is actually pulling that particular cart.

I live down in Silver Spring Maryland just outside of Washington DC. I PROMISE you, you will not see a republican in a Subaru in site. Every now and again you might get a car guy who has a WRX whose more neutral, but I promise you you ain't finding any staunch republicans down here driving an outback. It goes back to the 90's when Subaru specifically targeted Ad's to Gay customers which at the time was unheard of (think this is pre-ellen coming out America, different world).

How an Ad Campaign Made Lesbians Fall in Love with Subaru - Priceonomics

It's a popular stereotype that lesbians drive Subarus. What's less well known is that Subaru cultivated that image—and made history in the process.

priceonomics.com

That kinda snowballed the start of the stigma into what it is around DC today. No this is not to derail this conversation into politics, for god's sake please don't let that happen here. Just answering the question

 

[mildone]

Not convinced people buy Subarus based on politics. If anything they buy them b/c (image or reality) they make practical AWD cars for outdoorsy shit and have been doing so long before it was trendy.

That seems to give the brand a crunchy granola (liberal by default) rep, especially since it has a rather small focused lineup, but don't think the horse is actually pulling that particular cart.

Agreed.

I doubt a significant percentage of the US population buys a particular brand of car based on political ideology or party affiliation. People might buy a particular brand because of peer association (i.e. family or friends like the brand). Or they might, either consciously or unconsciously, buy a brand because that brand's advertising and marketing speak to them.

But, while both of those things have the potential to create an illusion of politically-oriented causation, I'm pretty sure the illusion only works with those people who are already fairly extremist in the intensity of their political views. In other words, people for whom virtually everything is political. And even among that crowd, I suspect the percentage of people who'd buy a car due to some perceived political reason is pretty small.

OTOH, I can see people NOT buying a particular brand due to politics. People will "boycott" all kinds of stuff if there's some perceived association between the thing (brand, store, person) and a political ideology. Personally, I think that's a sad example of laughably mindless groupthink - a behavior I associate with a failure to evolve much beyond caveman-era thought patterns. But each to everybody else's own, I guess. 🙂

 

[yessir321]

Agreed.

I doubt a significant percentage of the US population buys a particular brand of car based on political ideology or party affiliation. People might buy a particular brand because of peer association (i.e. family or friends like the brand). Or they might, either consciously or unconsciously, buy a brand because that brand's advertising and marketing speak to them.

But, while both of those things have the potential to create an illusion of politically-oriented causation, I'm pretty sure the illusion only works with those people who are already fairly extremist in the intensity of their political views. In other words, people for whom virtually everything is political. And even among that crowd, I suspect the percentage of people who'd buy a car due to some perceived political reason is pretty small.

OTOH, I can see people NOT buying a particular brand due to politics. People will "boycott" all kinds of stuff if there's some perceived association between the thing (brand, store, person) and a political ideology. Personally, I think that's a sad example of laughably mindless groupthink - a behavior I associate with a failure to evolve much beyond caveman-era thought patterns. But each to everybody else's own, I guess. 🙂

It's more your last paragraph. Republican's have a problem buying a Subaru, it's been a stigma for decades. And as far as if people will full blown boycott something based on nothing more than politics look no further than Bud Light. Another more specific car example is the Mazda Miata. You won't find a republican in a Miata within 100 miles of DC. It's kinda funny because in both cases it stems from a "gay stigma" More specifically Subaru having a Lesbian stigma and the Miata having a gay man stigma

 

[jtung230]

2025. In the meantime, adapters are readily available.

Adapters don’t work for Tesla super chargers. Tesla EVs can use adapters to charge at non-Tesla SC only.

 

[mildone]

It's kinda funny because in both cases it stems from a "gay stigma" More specifically Subaru having a Lesbian stigma and the Miata having a gay man stigma

But... sexuality isn't political. There are plenty of Rs and Ds who either gay or lesbian.

In any event, not buying a car because of concerns over what others might think (which is what you're describing) is evidence of weak and fearful personality. People should get what they like and F what anybody else thinks about it.

 

[fsg2]

I live down in Silver Spring Maryland just outside of Washington DC. I PROMISE you, you will not see a republican in a Subaru in site. Every now and again you might get a car guy who has a WRX whose more neutral, but I promise you you ain't finding any staunch republicans down here driving an outback. It goes back to the 90's when Subaru specifically targeted Ad's to Gay customers which at the time was unheard of (think this is pre-ellen coming out America, different world). That kinda snowballed the start of the stigma into what it is around DC today. No this is not to derail this conversation into politics, for god's sake please don't let that happen here. Just answering the question

DC area might be kind of unique in that regard? Even then - how many drivers were actually old enough to see and care about commercials in the 90s?

And that's more an image thing than politics - outdated childish stigma for a small demo of sheep.

Out here in God's country, Subarus have more a stigma for being sort of a poser/weekend warrior car based on the marketing I touched on before. But there are plenty of reasons they're a good choice, too, and I think most grown-adult consumers look past the stigma if the case is strong enough.

 

[yessir321]

But... sexuality isn't political. There are plenty of Rs and Ds who either gay or lesbian.

In any event, not buying a car because of concerns over what others might think (which is what you're describing) is evidence of weak and fearful personality. People should get what they like and F what anybody else thinks about it.

You would think sexuality isn't political but again I cite Bud Light

 

[yessir321]

DC area might be kind of unique in that regard? Even then - how many drivers were actually old enough to see and care about commercials in the 90s?

And that's more an image thing than politics - outdated childish stigma for a small demo of sheep.

Out here in God's country, Subarus have more a stigma for being sort of a poser/weekend warrior car based on the marketing I touched on before. But there are plenty of reasons they're a good choice, too, and I think most grown-adult consumers look past the stigma if the case is strong enough.

you'd be amazed... People in "God's country" stopped drinking a brand of beer for no other reason than that company did a one off collaboration with a transgender influencer (not a trans athlete which I agree is bullshit), a trans person who was simply living their life and made videos about how they did their makeup... Who the hell cares? A LOT of people apparently (which I don't personally understand but it is what it is)

People do all kinds of crazy things these days because of politics

 

[RUevolution36]

Hyundai, Kia introduce Uni Wheel electric drive system - Autoblog

Hyundai and Kia have introduced what they say is a major paradigm shift in EV architecture: the Universal Wheel Drive System, or Uni Wheel for short.

www.autoblog.com

 

[fsg2]

you'd be amazed... People in "God's country" stopped drinking a brand of beer for no other reason than that company did a one off collaboration with a transgender influencer (not a trans athlete which I agree is bullshit), a trans person who was simply living their life and made videos about how they did their makeup... Who the hell cares? A LOT of people apparently (which I don't personally understand but it is what it is)

People do all kinds of crazy things these days because of politics

I mean, religion plays more into people's alcohol decisions (or lack thereof) in my 'hood. I won't try to extrapolate.

Where it did happen, yhat was a brief blip on the opposite end of the consumer spectrum from automobiles. Doesnt really apply, and though they are stubborn morons, I still don't believe they'll be carrying it into the 2050s.

 

[yessir321]

I mean, religion plays more into people's alcohol decisions (or lack thereof) in my 'hood. I won't try to extrapolate.

Where it did happen, yhat was a brief blip on the opposite end of the consumer spectrum from automobiles. Doesnt really apply, and though they are stubborn morons, I still don't believe they'll be carrying it into the 2050s.

Religion would apply to one's sexual orientation more as well you would think, but yet the the news outlets that still harp about Bud Light are exclusively Foxnews and Newsmax... You know I'm not wrong

 

[Rutgers Chris]

How long until we see one in the wild?

 

[mildone]

How long until we see one in the wild?

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I think it’s hilarious that Musk is trying to market excitement over it through Xwitter at the same time as advertisers are dropping Xwitter over his alleged support for bigotry. Will the CT become the vehicle of choice for white supremacists everywhere?

The many tangled strands of comic irony demand it be so. 😀

 

[Rutgers Chris]

I think it’s hilarious that Musk is trying to market excitement over it through Xwitter at the same time as advertisers are dropping Xwitter over his alleged support for bigotry. Will the CT become the vehicle of choice for white supremacists everywhere?

The many tangled strands of comic irony demand it be so. 😀

But what about the people who are dropping the advertisers products over the dropping of advertising over the alleged support? What’s next- people drop the people who dropped the advertiser’s products over the dropping of advertising over the alleged support?

 

[fsg2]

Not long enough ...

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

I think it’s hilarious that Musk is trying to market excitement over it through Xwitter at the same time as advertisers are dropping Xwitter over his alleged support for bigotry. Will the CT become the vehicle of choice for white supremacists everywhere?

The many tangled strands of comic irony demand it be so. 😀

I guess you missed the lines of people wrapped around Tesla stores across the country just to have a look at Cybertruck. Elon doesn't need to push, and he hasn't. The truck itself has become a stroke of marketing genius.

 

[fsg2]

I guess you missed the lines of people wrapped around Tesla stores across the country just to have a look at Cybertruck. Elon doesn't need to push, and he hasn't. The truck itself has become a stroke of marketing genius.

But Tesla doesn't do marketing.

 

[RUevolution36]

I guess you missed the lines of people wrapped around Tesla stores across the country just to have a look at Cybertruck. Elon doesn't need to push, and he hasn't. The truck itself has become a stroke of marketing genius.

window shopping doesn't always turn into revenue.

 

[jtung230]

But what about the people who are dropping the advertisers products over the dropping of advertising over the alleged support? What’s next- people drop the people who dropped the advertiser’s products over the dropping of advertising over the alleged support?

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Does Disney provide real time subscription updates? How does one confirm all the BS that’s reported on X?

ETA that IBM was the first to pull ads. But Disney is a more popular political target.

 

[RUDeac]

no price announcement?

 

[jtung230]

no price announcement?

It’s free if you factor in all the potential savings

 

[RUDeac]

61K for a RWD pickup truck? No more 500-mi range version? Elon is a clown.

 

[RUDeac]

Cancelling my order. Clown show.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[Rutgers Chris]

lol, based on past “races” you knew that was coming

 

[CERU00]

I live down in Silver Spring Maryland just outside of Washington DC. I PROMISE you, you will not see a republican in a Subaru in site. Every now and again you might get a car guy who has a WRX whose more neutral, but I promise you you ain't finding any staunch republicans down here driving an outback. It goes back to the 90's when Subaru specifically targeted Ad's to Gay customers which at the time was unheard of (think this is pre-ellen coming out America, different world).

How an Ad Campaign Made Lesbians Fall in Love with Subaru - Priceonomics

It's a popular stereotype that lesbians drive Subarus. What's less well known is that Subaru cultivated that image—and made history in the process.

priceonomics.com

That kinda snowballed the start of the stigma into what it is around DC today. No this is not to derail this conversation into politics, for god's sake please don't let that happen here. Just answering the question

Not true in Philly area. Those marketing campaigns are eons ago. They are a brand where you know what you're getting. They've earned people's loyalty with value, consistency, and quality.

 

[mildone]

I guess you missed the lines of people wrapped around Tesla stores across the country just to have a look at Cybertruck. Elon doesn't need to push, and he hasn't. The truck itself has become a stroke of marketing genius.

Seriously? People lined up outside Tesla stores to look at a CT? That's pretty funny as well. Like it's a new cell phone. LOL

And of course Elon has been pushing. He's been pushing all along. Nothing wrong with that. All car companies push their products.

 

[mildone]

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Cancelling my order. Clown show.

A range extender sounds like something marketed to young men with phallic insecurity.

 

[mildone]

window shopping doesn't always turn into revenue.

I'll stick to my guess that it'll initially sell pretty well, to the "look at me" crowd. But that sales will start dry up within a year or two as that same crowd realizes it's become the "laugh at me" crowd, or as price drops take place, devaluing it rapidly, or both.

 

[bac2therac]

I think it’s hilarious that Musk is trying to market excitement over it through Xwitter at the same time as advertisers are dropping Xwitter over his alleged support for bigotry. Will the CT become the vehicle of choice for white supremacists everywhere?

The many tangled strands of comic irony demand it be so. 😀

Stop posting conspiracy theories

 

[bac2therac]

Connecticut Governor reading the tea leaves has dropped the states EV mandate..bravo

 

[mildone]

But Tesla doesn't do marketing.

😂

I like the commercial with the CT drag-racing a 911, though. Shows that Tesla has a good understanding that the Porsche 911 is the most iconic car in history. A very wise choice for them to make in order to help them sell more Teslas. Smart move, Tesla. Smart move.

So now, when the Teslerati brag about CT sales, we'll all know it's because they leveraged the Porsche 911 brand.

Speaking for 911 owners everywhere, we truly appreciate the compliment.

 

[mildone]

Stop posting conspiracy theories

Can't stop what I haven't started. Try rereading, but more slowly this time. Or maybe get a third grader to 'splain it to you. 😉

 

[RUDead]

Nearly 4,000 Auto Dealers Sign Letter to Urge President Biden to Tap Brakes on EV Mandate

Dealers involved say that many customers are not ready to switch to electric vehicles.

www.roadandtrack.com

Currently, there are many excellent battery electric vehicles available for consumers to purchase," the letter says. "These vehicles are ideal for many people, and we believe their appeal will grow over time. The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots."

The group recognizes that EVs are an ideal choice for many customers. However, they feel early adopters have already purchased their EVs, and now, "enthusiasm has stalled." Yet, because of the government regulations, the dealers are getting a larger influx of EVs which exceeds current demand.

According to the dealership group, there are several barriers that remain to be cleared before more customers are open to purchasing an EV. Some of these barriers include high purchase prices, charging station availability, and reduced range in extreme weather conditions or when towing.

 

[mildone]

Does Disney provide real time subscription updates? How does one confirm all the BS that’s reported on X?

ETA that IBM was the first to pull ads. But Disney is a more popular political target.

I had the exact same question as you. How does anybody actually know how many people cancelled subscriptions?

In any event, and however many people it might be, and whatever the real reason they're doing it might be, cancelling a streaming service (or whatever), because that service objects to Musk's purported support of white supremacy, and then shouting to the world that you did it, is like hanging a neon sign over your social media account that reads "I ❤️ WHITE SUPREMACISTS". Brilliant! 😂

Can't make this stuff up. Hilariously self-destructive. Darwinism finds a way.

 

[fsg2]

Fkn Elon. People sit through that stupid "delivery event" and the jackass doesn't even bother detailing most of the info they cared about to begin with.

I hope the truck drove over his foot on the way out.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Nearly 4,000 Auto Dealers Sign Letter to Urge President Biden to Tap Brakes on EV Mandate

Dealers involved say that many customers are not ready to switch to electric vehicles.

www.roadandtrack.com

Currently, there are many excellent battery electric vehicles available for consumers to purchase," the letter says. "These vehicles are ideal for many people, and we believe their appeal will grow over time. The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots."

The group recognizes that EVs are an ideal choice for many customers. However, they feel early adopters have already purchased their EVs, and now, "enthusiasm has stalled." Yet, because of the government regulations, the dealers are getting a larger influx of EVs which exceeds current demand.

According to the dealership group, there are several barriers that remain to be cleared before more customers are open to purchasing an EV. Some of these barriers include high purchase prices, charging station availability, and reduced range in extreme weather conditions or when towing.

Pretty much what I'd expect the auto dealers to write. EVs represent an existential threat to their business model (and a corresponding boon for consumers).