Tesla Cybertruck vs. Ford F-150 Lightning, Rivian R1T: How They Compare
Now that Tesla's polarizing pickup has reached production, we see how its specs and price compare with other EV trucks that are currently on sale.
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I'm pretty much on the opposite end of the spectrum. I don't drive much, and drive much less for performance sake.
So when I jump into my gf's manual 93 Ford Ranger, my brain has to acclimate to what's going on in terms of stepping on the clutch and being in(or out) of gear. This is really just at startup and engine kill, but I need to really make sure I'm not letting out the clutch when I don't want to.
Never mind the emergency brake.
You do understand that they are EPA estimates that have to be printed on the window sticker. It's not the manufactures that are running the testing of mileage range.
CR’s Real-World EV Range Tests Show Which Models Beat EPA Estimates - Consumer Reports
Consumer Reports' real-world electric car range tests show how far an EV can go on a highway road trip before the battery runs out.www.consumerreports.org
That makes perfect sense. It’s the training part of the equation. The longer we don’t perform an activity, the more we have to relearn the process. Although it’s usually much quicker to relearn than to learn initially.
There are some of things we do that we can put down for a very long time then pick up and instantly “remember” how to do it without any relearning. The balancing part of riding a bike is a common example. We might have to remember how to shift gears or apply brakes correctly on a bike. But our brains, under normal circumstances, never forget how to balance on the bike once initially learned.
But for most activities, our performance degrades over time when we don’t “practice“ them. And properly blending clutch and throttle inputs in a particular car is one of them.
Interestingly, to me at least, is that sensing RPM ranges for proper up and downshifts is more like balancing on a bike. Once we learn how it “feels” for a given car, we seem to instantly recall it even after years of non-use.
Ya to that point, the actual driving is no issue, I think because I may drive for 30-60minutes at a time, and the RPM's do dictate the mechanics of the process, but the start up is 3 seconds, and there is no revving engine telling me to take it out of gear before releasing the clutch.
Not that I always, or even often, do something stupid, but, ya know, sometimes.
My wife continues to drive the F150 Lightning. The one pedal driving can be turned off. I rarely use my brakes.
You missed the point of the article. It's the same for ICE cars too. What you ACTUALLY get mileage wise in real world driving doesn't always match up to the EPA rating. My car is EPA rated for 20mpg mixed city/highway. I'm averaging 22mpg. The EPA rates my wife's car as a range of 413miles on a tank of gas. Ain't no f'ing way we get anywhere near 400 miles on a tank... more like 360-370.
My only issue with the Cybertruck.
It's ugly as fu.................... looking at the front, I can dig it, but the side view and back? Looks like my kid designed it.
It's ugly as fu.................... looking at the front, I can dig it, but the side view and back? Looks like my kid designed it.
I think we will see a redesign to something less space age in the next couple years.
I could deal with the look if it wasn't so impractical ...and if Tesla had come anywhere close to its original price and range estimate, without the cost of an optional heavy range extender that fanboys will tell us is good for consumers 😄
That silly design means you can't reach over and grab things out of the bed, shit visibility and incompatibility with a massive market of simple bed accessories. And the CT-specific accessories will be overpriced for years to come, probably always. You know the actual truck guys building them are ecstatic at the thought of fleecing nerdy fanboys.
But hey, at least you can out-drag a Ferrari the next time you pull up next to one.
It could be free and have a 10K mile range and I'd still be unable to deal with the look. But beauty beholder and all.
Besides, I have to compensate for my dorky looks, among other things. So I can't be driving something that looks even dorkier than I do.
I used to be that way but gradually grew into a function IS fashion mentality.
Which is ultimately the polar opposite of the CT.
I hear you, and to an extent, I agree about function is fashion.
But I mean, I don't need a vehicle to be beautiful. My old Suburban was not remotely beautiful (although I loved it). My Mazdaspeed3 is not beautiful - it's mostly understatedly goofy.
I think the 2024 Cayenne's are pretty decent looking, if one chooses the right interior/exterior options. I never liked the appearance of the earlier generations though. But pretty decent looking still isn't beautiful.
If beauty was the goal for an SUV, I'd get a Land Rover and deal with the reliability issues.
My problem with the CT isn't so much that it's ugly as that it's super ostentatiously ugly. It shouts ugly. It screams ugly. It's like the designers were told to design the most unmissably ugly and ungainly looking vehicle in the history of automobiles. And then there were sent back to the drawing board several times 'cause it was still wasn't ugly enough.
What's possibly worse is that the interior looks positively prison-like.
A Suburban isn't trying to impress anybody. It's entirely about functionality. Exterior design was basically "try not to offend anybody too much". And that old beast of an SUV's ginormous soft comfy leather interior would win me over the CT's government office-style design every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Other than that, though, I have no objections at all to the CT appearance. 🙂
The idea of a wannabe countach that has the finish of a DeLorean but is a jacked up pickup truck doesn't make sense to you? You're not doing enough drugs then.
Interesting, if true. Not sure if true ‘cause Jalopnik does have an anti-Tesla thing going.
jalopnik.com
Rental Company Sixt Will Begin Dumping Tesla Fleet Due To Repair Costs
The German rental car giant has had enough of the tanking residual values and costly fender benders
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Wasn't there a similar story regarding rentals in the US?Interesting, if true. Not sure if true ‘cause Jalopnik does have an anti-Tesla thing going.
Rental Company Sixt Will Begin Dumping Tesla Fleet Due To Repair Costs
The German rental car giant has had enough of the tanking residual values and costly fender benders
Edit: Yes. From October.
Hertz pulls back on EV plans citing Tesla price cuts, high repair costs
Hertz now has 35,000 Tesla vehicles and around 50,000 electric vehicles in its fleet.
Yes, this latest article mentions the Hertz situation. I wonder how much of the pullback from Tesla is repair costs and how much is watching the resale values plummet, as Tesla drops prices on new models.Wasn't there a similar story regarding rentals in the US?
Edit: Yes. From October.
Hertz pulls back on EV plans citing Tesla price cuts, high repair costs
Hertz now has 35,000 Tesla vehicles and around 50,000 electric vehicles in its fleet.www.cnbc.com
The devaluing price-cuts might not be oo terrible for owners of a single car. But across a large fleet of them? That’s obviously a bigger deal.
No one likes to lose money or get a bad deal. Knowing you could’ve saved real money if you waited a month stings.
ETA maybe they should add the depreciation into the cost after savings.
Killer trucks?
jalopnik.com
Why yes, I am posting that just to irritate the Teslerati. How'd you guess? 😀
Shocking: Safety Experts Worry The Tesla Cybertruck’s Design Is Going To Injure Pedestrians, Cyclists And Anything Else It Hits
Also, Stellantis cuts over 1,000 production jobs, and GM must pay millions to 800 UAW members for 2019 plant closure.
jalopnik.com
Why yes, I am posting that just to irritate the Teslerati. How'd you guess? 😀
Perfect. Those uppity, share the road cyclists have been getting a bit too brave lately. Maybe a few CT’s roaming the streets will get them back in line.Killer trucks?
Shocking: Safety Experts Worry The Tesla Cybertruck’s Design Is Going To Injure Pedestrians, Cyclists And Anything Else It Hits
Also, Stellantis cuts over 1,000 production jobs, and GM must pay millions to 800 UAW members for 2019 plant closure.
Why yes, I am posting that just to irritate the Teslerati. How'd you guess? 😀
When they're done with the cyclists, I want them to come to my area and take out some of the suicidal people who, after dark and wearing all dark clothing, while looking down at their phones and wearing ear buds, stroll out into crosswalks across busy streets without so much as a by your leave.
These days, I slow to like 10 mph when approaching crosswalks after dark because it's so common for people to walk out right in front of you while paying no attention at all to their surroundings. I've seen a dozen near-misses just this year alone.
The laws giving pedestrians the right of way are antithetical to keeping people alive. The rule should always be that the bigger boat has the right of way.
Cell phone zombies is the name for the creature you describe. The CT will handle those too
“Martin Harvey: Slow down! There’s boats all over the place.
Captain Ron: Don’t worry. They’ll get out of the way. I learned that driving the Saratoga.”
I have zero interest in renting an EV while in vacation. Don't want to have to think about when and where to charge up.Wasn't there a similar story regarding rentals in the US?
Edit: Yes. From October.
Hertz pulls back on EV plans citing Tesla price cuts, high repair costs
Hertz now has 35,000 Tesla vehicles and around 50,000 electric vehicles in its fleet.
With that said, just got back from vacation and rented a Toyota Tacoma. I teeribly missed my F150 Lighting. Much more fun to drive and much better driving experience.
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Didn't dig the Tacoma?
Really wanted one but too little payload and kinda cramped interior.
BMW iX drives 608.1 WLTP miles with prototype battery from Our Next Energy - Autoblog
BMW iX drives 608.1 WLTP miles with prototype battery from Our Next Energy. Dual-chemistry pack extends production iX range by 206 WLTP miles.
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In 2023, bold EV strategies took a punch from reality
This was the year the auto industry's race toward an all-electric future took a detour.
Cool.BMW iX drives 608.1 WLTP miles with prototype battery from Our Next Energy - Autoblog
BMW iX drives 608.1 WLTP miles with prototype battery from Our Next Energy. Dual-chemistry pack extends production iX range by 206 WLTP miles.
These Tesla Cybertruck Off-Roading Videos Don't Look Great
Even with driver error to blame, the optics of these Cybertruck off-roading videos aren’t great for the pseudo tank.
Not really fair to expect a track car go off-road
Ford just announced will cut in half the planned production of the Lightning F150.
Hahahaha!
Not surprised. It’s not a product for everyone and ICE 150 owners want range. I still think full-size SUV will be the mass market EV. I would trade my Lighting in for a R1S if it has a 2 way inverter yesterday.
Not sure that's the ticket. Full size SUVs will have the same range woes as trucks.
Better off with crossovers.
