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OT: Electric vehicles

It’s a silly question. The media is vast and coverage varies wildly.

Which media specifically is the problem? AP’s coverage of the recall has been dry, factual, and informative. No doubt some other media sources are engaging in more hyperbolic reporting.

Media hyperbole is hardly unique to Tesla’s recall (although I haven’t actually seen much of that outside of Jalopnik who clearly have a bug up their butt about Tesla and Musk). The media, in general, hypes up everything.

It might suck but it’s not a conspiracy against Tesla.

Agreed. And as you said, many of the articles from the more mainstream news sources like AP, etc. have simply given the facts.

And it appears to be more than just a "font change" on a warning message.
 
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Damn.

"Lundeen said he was so shocked by the manager’s frank explanation of Tesla’s part failures that he wrote it down: “All I can tell you,” the Tesla manager said, “is we’re not a 100-year-old company like GM and Ford. We haven’t worked all the bugs out yet.”"

Guess maybe "legacy auto" ain't all bad then. 🙂

Wonder if that article contributed to the nearly 4% drop in TSLA trading today.
 
So wait. Tesla knew about the potential steering and suspension issues and discussed internally but when they actually happened to their cars in the real world, they turned around and tried to blame the owners of their cars? LOL. I gotta say, that's very Big Three Automaker of them.

I mean why stop there? Blame the media too for their suspension and steering issues.
 
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So wait. Tesla knew about the potential steering and suspension issues and discussed internally but when they actually happened to their cars in the real world, they turned around and tried to blame the owners of their cars? LOL. I gotta say, that's very Big Three Automaker of them.

I mean why stop there? Blame the media too for their suspension and steering issues.
They don't need to do that. The fanboys will do that for them.
 
I drove my dad's Tesla 3 all weekend. Cherry Hill --> Atlantic City --> Union --> New Brunswick and back.

Used Autopilot extensively.

For me, it's just -- OK.

There are still too many situations where it makes a "WTH" maneuver and you have to override it.

3 examples:
  • Traffic cones - Route 70 in South Jersey has a lot of construction going on. The cones register fairly accurately on the screen so I know the sensors are picking them up. However, it has a difficult time processing the lane markers on the road vs where the traffic cones are actually trying to get you to go.
  • Speedy drivers - When I'm on the highway and driving normally, I'm constantly scanning my rearview. When I was on the turnpike, the Autopilot was going to change lanes right into the path of a car that was barreling down the left lane. Had to override.
  • Merging - Turnpike again. When merging onto a highway, the Autopilot's logic tends to hug the white line on the right. So you end up merging at the last second possible. Meanwhile, there are people behind me who were already merging and accelerating into my projected merge path. Was very uncomfortable and never trusted it in that situation again.
When it's fairly open highway or bumper to bumper traffic, it's a pretty neat feature. Quite useable for those particular use cases actually.

Still, it's not quite "there" yet and I'm not sure it ever will be unless also combined with smart lanes (ie: superhighway with dedicated self-driving lane where cars & road can all communicate together).

Definitely not ready to trust it in a more urban setting with bikers, pedestrians, pets, kids, etc.

But -- I think the technology is amazing for supplementing a driver. You sort of feel like Iron Man because there are no blind spots and sensors can see better than we can in the dark or rain.
This 5 year owner of a Model 3 with enhanced autopilot is in complete agreement. It drives like a 16 year old nervous wreck in many of those situations and makes me a nervous wreck wondering when I might need to grab the wheel. I also wish the traffic adaptive cruise control (what I use most of the time by far) didn't have autopilot in partial control, often making similar odd braking decisions when unnecessary.
 
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LOL. That was a bit over the top at times, but still mostly entertaining.

It is a little concerning that Musk wants to put a Musk-controlled robot into every home. He's not exactly a beacon of light for ethical and moral decision-making.

One wonders... are these robots going to accept OTA updates just like his cars? When the robot malfunctions and kills everyone in the house in their sleep, will that be blamed on the murdered family?

Musk: "It's not my fault. They were stupid and used the robot incorrectly. The safety instructions clearly say, on page 8,252, to lock up all sharp household objects at night while sleeping."

Oliver is scum
 
This 5 year owner of a Model 3 with enhanced autopilot is in complete agreement. It drives like a 16 year old nervous wreck in many of those situations and makes me a nervous wreck wondering when I might need to grab the wheel. I also wish the traffic adaptive cruise control (what I use most of the time by far) didn't have autopilot in partial control, often making similar odd braking decisions when unnecessary.
Do you work for the Associated Press or Yahoo News?
Asking for a friend. . . . . 😉
 
Maybe they could use Jay Z's song 99 Problems for their advertisement?

Quite the tensest:
"displaying a map centered in the middle of the Pacific Ocean"

Bad joke ahead--"Blazer" is a bad name for an EV, since they catch fire so frequently. . . . . .
 
This 5 year owner of a Model 3 with enhanced autopilot is in complete agreement. It drives like a 16 year old nervous wreck in many of those situations and makes me a nervous wreck wondering when I might need to grab the wheel. I also wish the traffic adaptive cruise control (what I use most of the time by far) didn't have autopilot in partial control, often making similar odd braking decisions when unnecessary.
Every time the Turnpike speed limit changed to a lower one, it would abruptly apply the brake.

Like by the airport, the posted limit changes from 65 to 55.

I had to override to prevent the guy behind me from having a heart attack.
 
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Do you work for the Associated Press or Yahoo News?
Asking for a friend. . . . . 😉
I’m sorry to disappoint any conspiracy theorists about where Tesla critiques come from but…no.
I’m a teacher that stood in line to reserve my 3 in 2016 so I’d get the full original tax credit in order to afford it in 2018.
 
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@Knight Shift my uncle just bought a Lighting XLT. Dealer incentive $1500. I got a unsolicited trade-in value that’s 55% of MSRP
So a thread started on the Lightning forums about a creaking noise near the passenger side A pillar, and a bunch of people have the same problem. A Ford rep got in that thread and reached out to those that posted, and they have escalated the issue, which is a minor one. They are listening and being proactive, which is nice!
 


I bet that guy has one of those signs on his lawn:

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Have I mentioned the gas guzzler tax I had to pay for one of my recent cars? Or how freaking loud it is when over 4500 rpms? Two kinds of pollution at once. The good news being the Tesla vehicle drivers hear me coming when I pass them, so they put their hands back on their yokes.

Reason #69069 why I love my ICE vehicles. 😀


By god, if I knew how great it would feel to post like a total douchebag on social media, like that Xwitter user, I would’ve started way younger than I did. Woo hoo!
 
Have I mentioned the gas guzzler tax I had to pay for one of my recent cars? Or how freaking loud it is when over 4500 rpms? Two kinds of pollution at once. The good news being the Tesla vehicle drivers hear me coming when I pass them, so they put their hands back on their yokes.

Reason #69069 why I love my ICE vehicles. 😀


By god, if I knew how great it would feel to post like a total douchebag on social media, like that Xwitter user, I would’ve started way younger than I did. Woo hoo!
it's no wonder why those rolling coal guys relish posting their antics on social media. Every action causes a reaction.
 
it's no wonder why those rolling coal guys relish posting their antics on social media. Every action causes a reaction.
I actually think people that roll coal are douchenozzles too, and although I have no way to be sure, I'm guessing they were doing that long before EVs started becoming a thing. 🙂

But as bad as the attitude of the coal-rollers is, they're no worse than that Xwitter numbnut.
 
The problem with that is the only way to achieve it is to compromise handling. It’s a compromise many are okay with. But I personally would hate it and prefer to compromise in the other direction, sacrificing ride softness and comfort for better handling.
You are the tail here. I’m sure it handles fine for normal driving.
 
You are the tail here. I’m sure it handles fine for normal driving.
Well, okay. I don’t disagree. OTOH, I wouldn’t want to be in that car, in whatever mode it was in during that video, if the need for accident avoidance handling arises.

I’m not gonna disagree that my preference for stiffer chassis settings is more the exception than the rule. Even in my SUV, I tend to put the chassis in its stiffest settings, which most owners of the same car seem to never use at all.
 
Well, okay. I don’t disagree. OTOH, I wouldn’t want to be in that car, in whatever mode it was in during that video, if the need for accident avoidance handling arises.

I’m not gonna disagree that my preference for stiffer chassis settings is more the exception than the rule. Even in my SUV, I tend to put the chassis in its stiffest settings, which most owners of the same car seem to never use at all.
Yes, the computer needs to be able to differentiate bumps vs downforce.
 
Yes, the computer needs to be able to differentiate bumps vs downforce.
I don’t understand what you mean by that. It’s very easy for software to make that differentiation, given the proper sensors.

When it comes to EVs, designers greatly prefer low drag to downforce. So while downforce is a factor at highway speeds, it’s not one that changes rapidly unless the car has experienced something really bad at high speeds, like driving over an object in the highway at 90mph that causes it to raise its nose to the point where aerodynamic lift occurs.

And at that point, comfort and handling are irrelevant and it’s more about all the crash safety features ’cause the car is gonna flip and/or roll. It’s gonna be really bad.

Probably the most rapid downforce altering thing a typical EV will experience is a hard braking event from extralegal speeds. And even then the event cannot be mistaken for a bump. And the total amount of change, in an EV, is relatively small because, again, not that much downforce designed into most EVs to start with.

Downforce does matter when it comes to suspension design. Because cars designed for high aerodynamic downforce necessitate a stiffer chassis, a stiffer suspension with stronger wheels, and tires with stiffer, stronger sidewalls capable of coping with the potentially very large downforce increases at higher speeds.

All of which is achieved at the unavoidable expense of ride comfort.
 
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