OT: Electric vehicles
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Makes perfect sense that Sawyer would be tweeting that, seeing as how Tesla has been trying its best to become the Toyota of EVs. Otherwise, one might wonder why an EV evangelist and Teslerati like him would be posting about a sub-brand that doesn’t make or sell any EVs.
Although unlike Tesla’s safety issues, there have been no reported deaths or injuries with Daihatsu‘s safety issues, so far, and Daihatsu self-reported the results of its internal probe which is how we even know about it.
Hopefully Tesla can learn from this.
New Porsche Taycan beats Tesla Model S Plaid's Nürburgring time by a wide margin - Autoblog
The upcoming range-topping version of the Porsche Taycan set a time of 7:07.55 on the Nürburgring, beating the Turbo S by 26 seconds.
www.autoblog.com
Nice.New Porsche Taycan beats Tesla Model S Plaid's Nürburgring time by a wide margin - Autoblog
The upcoming range-topping version of the Porsche Taycan set a time of 7:07.55 on the Nürburgring, beating the Turbo S by 26 seconds.
But in the meantime, my Cayenne S has been in the shop 2 weeks with a suspension fault. I wish Porsche would ease upon the Nurburgring lap record setting and fix all the ‘24 Cayenne software issues, of which there appear to be many. 😡
I didn’t think anybody could beat out Tesla for bad software, but Porsche appears to want to make it a real competition. Explains why they’re switching away from their current software vendor and switching to Google.
"slower-than-expected consumer demand"
"cut planned production of the F-150 Lightning roughly in half this year"
"record fourth quarter, and demand continues to grow"
Increases in price for the lower trims by $10k - $7.5k
In case you need a translation of all this double talk, it's this..... We really, really don't want to make these vehicles. Please, don't buy them.
So, while the Ford and the rest of legacy auto are pushing lies about waning EV demand and failing to reach profitability on EVs, Tesla and Chinese auto makers are pushing ahead, capturing a larger piece of the market. How long can legacy auto delay the inevitable? How long before we see Chinese EVs on American roads?
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/03/ford-f-150-lightning-ev-price-adjustments.html
"cut planned production of the F-150 Lightning roughly in half this year"
"record fourth quarter, and demand continues to grow"
Increases in price for the lower trims by $10k - $7.5k
In case you need a translation of all this double talk, it's this..... We really, really don't want to make these vehicles. Please, don't buy them.
So, while the Ford and the rest of legacy auto are pushing lies about waning EV demand and failing to reach profitability on EVs, Tesla and Chinese auto makers are pushing ahead, capturing a larger piece of the market. How long can legacy auto delay the inevitable? How long before we see Chinese EVs on American roads?
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/03/ford-f-150-lightning-ev-price-adjustments.html
I recently bought a hybrid. Charging is and was of little concern outside my house, but now that I started looking around for charging stations in the general vicinity and on my regular routes it’s a joke. There is no charging network - period. I don’t know how EV owners deal with it. Not to mention if you don’t have a back-up generator at your house good luck. On top of that, when I have found charging stations at parking garages, etc. there are no more than 2-4 in total not to mention that charging is way more expensive than I would have thought. People seem to act like electricity is free for EV owners.
I see a fair amount of charging stations near me. It's never a ton of chargers, but they are typically open.
Would any of them be conveniant if I owned an EV? Haven't put that much thought into it. Though I'd probably have to work around it a bit. Shop at this store instead of that, eat here, instead of there.
But most charging should take place at home I would think.
Weaving quite the narrative there. 😃
Well, why not. Narrative weaving is always good fun. So let's weave another...
You seem to take delight in aspects of the EV revolution that you think will cause a decline in "legacy auto", the elimination of the dealership model, and the eventual elimination of internet combustion engines with all those parts that need to be maintained. But all those things you want will result in the loss of a shit-ton of high paying jobs all up and down the supply chain. It'll put a ton of people out of work and create a giant surplus of workers putting downward pressure on employment income for those lucky enough to find work.
Which means more people struggling to pay for things. So Americans will need to find ever-cheaper EVs and China will be happy to supply them.
The only way US manufacturers will be able to compete internationally will be eliminate costly employees, with their benefit packages and 401k plans, and switch to using 100% robotics and automation. Putting even more people out of work (and removing huge numbers of people from participating in the stock market on a regular basis, and won't that be fun).
Ultimately, you wind up with most Americans unable to afford a new car anyway, regardless of what technology is behind it. Yay? I suppose it might be a boon for public transportation. Except nobody will have any money to go anywhere.
Holy dystopia. 🤣
*non-tesla ev owners. Its a non issue with the Tesla network
I know. How can they be crying about demand following a record quarter? Glad you're catching on.
Probably because while a good car, its hard to do truck things with it still on a full time basis. The non truck people have already gotten their trucks so demand is drying up.
I have not encountered a single charging issue in 4 1/2 years of EV ownership.
Why are you "looking around" for chargers? Good grief. Your vehicle doesn't give you a detailed map of every charger location, their charging speed, # of stalls, and availability? Maybe buy a better vehicle.
Nice try. I've always been pulling for domestic automakers to succeed in this transition. I get frustrated with their dishonesty. Almost 3 years ago, I predicted Tesla and China would dominate the EV market because I could see the writing on the wall. Looks to be accurate, no?
How have your predictions worked out? Still think GM is going to hit 1 million EV units in 2025? How about those 30 new EV models? Ultium battery platform still on track to revolutionize the auto industry?
Only in terms of scaling back production plans which were based on overly ambitious demand expectations.
The demand is there. Just not to the level they were expecting.
I’ve already explained this to you.
Pretty sure, yeah. Isn't GM your darling? I remember you vehemently defending them when I called bullshit on all of their EV goals.
Speaking of predictions, where's my boy @mdk01 to make good on our bet?
You've literally called for the demise of legacy automakers since the start of this thread's predecessor. And have been railing against them at every turn.
And what exactly did you predict? Writing on the wall or numbers on the paper. Tesla and China were already dominating the EV market three years ago.
They do have a map and in Morris County there is not an abundance of chargers and that includes Tesla. I plan to do my charging at home anyway but not having “a single charging issue in 4 1/2 years” is likely based on your willingness to accept inconveniences or you must not drive long distances on a regular basis. I know lots of people with Teslas and even they admit planning is involved. Power outages will also make folks think twice about EVs especially when they get a quote on a generator. No doubt EVs are the future but we are so far away from anything that resembles a mainstream charging network.
No GM isn't my darling.
It's a car company. I don't have strong feelings for car companies.
I just checked the map, surprisingly there isn't one within 15 miles of me. And really there is a dearth of chargers east of I-95 south of the Hudson bay.
Seeing a bunch of Lightings on the road now. The dealership even has inventory near me.
QuantamScape releases good results on testing of it's solid state battery.
QuantumScape's solid-state cell "significantly exceeded" requirements in a sample test as it completed more than 1,000 charging cycles. "For an electric car with a WLTP range of 500-600 kilometres, this corresponds to a total mileage of more than half a million kilometres," PowerCo said. "At the same time, the cell barely aged and still had 95 percent of its capacity (or discharge energy retention) at the end of the test."
QuantumScape's solid-state cell "significantly exceeded" requirements in a sample test as it completed more than 1,000 charging cycles. "For an electric car with a WLTP range of 500-600 kilometres, this corresponds to a total mileage of more than half a million kilometres," PowerCo said. "At the same time, the cell barely aged and still had 95 percent of its capacity (or discharge energy retention) at the end of the test."
You experiencing cold weather range shrinkage?
Weird last evening. First, the charger (on charge all day at work) only "gave" me a range of 241 miles. On a 36 mile drive, blew through 58 miles of range heading south on the GSP, down to 183. Spitballing it here, but at that rate, I would had a range of only about 150 miles. It was 41 degrees when I left work last night. Never experienced such shrinkage.
Did you get your tail light replaced yet? Been about 6 weeks since my parts were ordered, and still waiting for that.
I park my truck outside and not plugged in. Most mornings when it’s below freezing, max power is in the 80s. I don’t look at the range that much. I go by the KW/mile. It’s about 1.8 miles/kw. Sumer it’s 2.2.
You serious, Clark? (Christmas vacation reference).
I precondition in the morning, and luck to get over 2 miles/kwH, and on way home last night was at 1.4 miles/kWh. WTF am I doing wrong. I'm all Parkway driving, and I was going around 70-75 mph, and understand that because the truck is shaped like a box, the power consumption will increase. But no regenerative braking at all for the 36 mile commute.
Does your driving involve a lot of regenerative braking?
Bonus question- if Gavin or Athan was driving, which one would get a longer range? 😂
I’m going to guess it’s speed. I cruise at 75 on the parkway. My experience is that anything over 70 mph kills the battery.
I think GW and AK gets about the same range but if you adjust AK’s forced acceleration, it’s AK by 600 miles.
Just because I predicted the demise of legacy auto, doesn't mean I was rooting for it. Many predicted the demise of Blockbuster Video once Netflix emerged....doubt they were cheering about it. I was hopeful for VW prior to Deiss being let go. I applauded Ford for opening the books on their EV business and being the first to adopt NACS. I've never said anything positive about GM... guilty.
There's been plenty of posts over the past 3 years in the context of "the competition is coming". Chinese EVs are rarely discussed in those posts.
I drive all over the state for my kids travel sports.
I've taken road trips up and down the east coast.
Zero issues.
A Tesla vehicle does the planning for you once you enter a destination. You can even add multiple stops, so I doubt you've ever talked to a Tesla owner about road tripping.
The "what ifs" argument about power outages is lame. Everyone is inconvenienced during a power outage regardless of the vehicle they drive. I've got better things to worry about.
Ford does the same, and perhaps not as well, but there are other tools such as ABRP. I think in the end, Ford may be OK with EV. I also think the Legacy company/ies to watch in the EV space are Kia/Hyundai.
Agree. The notion of "looking for chargers" is absurd. I have to presume he's lying.
My optimism is waning for Ford, especially with the recent production cut and battery factory delay + downsize.
We shall see. I do not follow things that closely. I'm still thrilled with my Lightning, despite having a minor episode of range anxiety and cold weather range shrinkage this week. My main beef is the Ford app to pre-condition the batteries and the cabin is very wonky, but the driving experience is fantastic.
My quick read of the production cut is that the initial excitement for an EV pickup led to a bigger demand than could be sustained over the short term. You may not agree, but if you lived down in Monmouth you might, but the lack of charging infrastructure and problems with the non-Tesla charging stations is a real problem and has dampened enthusiasm for those prospective EV owners who do not want to buy a Tesla. Of course the comeback is, why not buy a Tesla? IDK, but I know several people who don't want to buy a Tesla would would willing buy a Hyundai, Kia or Ford EV.
As to GM, WTF?
A 600 km WLTP range is approximately 292 miles.
Degradation of current lithium ion cells with a liquid electrolyte is between 5-10% over the life of the pack, assuming proper battery care.
Solid state batteries are more stable and less likely to encounter thermal runaway. Is thermal runaway really an issue unless you're GM?
What QS has sounds great nonetheless, however, their business comes down to cost and scale. Prototypes are easy, profitable volume production is insanely difficult. There's a reason solid state batteries have been "talked about" for decades.
