OT: Electric vehicles
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I know a few folks that have the Ioniq and they are very impressed. The only thing holding it back are brand snobs that are afraid of being seen in anything with the name KIA on it.
EV troll here…fair question for EV owners: what do you do when you go on vacation or somewhere for an extended period of time and have to valet or park your car and there are no chargers? I’m on vacation now and the resort has no chargers. Although, doesn’t really matter because I have a hybrid. Just curious what folks do.
Aren’t there any superchargers around the area? I personally would pick a place that has EV charging to stay. Otherwise, don’t take the EV.
Yes, we covered this above. It's called planning. During Covid, gas stations were closed when we drove from NJ to Arizona. We properly planned and had a fueling plan. 🤷♂️ We are on vacation now and many hotels have charging. Also, there is an enormous bank of Tesla charging stations in a restaurant and bar complex area. We could go get a meal and charge while eating pretty easy.
I can appreciate that when you are on vacation, you don’t want to have that added stress. I’m still a big fan of hybrids or having an ICE vehicle for long trips. EVs are great for day-to-day.
For example, I am in AC and didn’t have a choice of casino/hotel. I haven’t seen my car since Wednesday so it got me thinking what would I do if my car was EV. The valet said they didn’t have charging?
Covered above multiple times. Plan. Go get a meal off the boardwalk near where there are charging stations. It's not as hard as you make it out to be. Ford has Charge Assist in the car to give you charging options. Tesla has software. There are numerous apps that tell you where you can charge.
I went last year to Europe for 3 weeks and parked my Tesla Y in reserved parking with no connected charger. There was no problem when I returned, and it still had plenty of charge. Never been an issue.
Now I did charge it up to 80% on the way to the airport.
Now I did charge it up to 80% on the way to the airport.
I had that issue when I took a trip to AC. Most of the hotels only had Tesla L2 options. I just brought my level 1 charger and plug it into a 120v outlet in the parking deck. The AC area is kind of a dead zone for non-Tesla if you want fast charging
You are not wrong. My Lightning is unply and sitting in my garage. It's been at 90% State of charge all week.
I’ve done this in AC. I think I went from home to work to Lbi to AC and was low on charge on the way home. Car routed me to the Egg Harbor Township supercharger on the way home. Charged for five minutes while I got a coffee in Wawa, came out and had enough charge to get me home. You don’t always need to charge at your endpoint. It’s done on the to/fro pretty conveniently.
Teslas will if you leave the sentry mode security on.
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They will if you leave some functions operating - sentry mode in a trafficked area, sentry on-line visualization, heating/air conditioning.
I think what people are missing, who are saying with respect to not having any charging available at some destination, "no biggie - just charge somewhere else", is that nobody is claiming there's no solution. But lots of people, myself included, simply don't want to have to think at all about such solutions when it comes to our cars.
We just want them to work the way they do now, without extra planning or effort. At the moment, except in certain very remote areas, gas stations make driving ICE cars effectively planning and effort-free.
EVs, which are fine products now, will become even better products with even wider acceptance when they become as effort-free and planning-free as ICEVs. Which will happen when infrastructure (mostly public charging) reaches the same ubiquity as gas pumps. This isn't really an arguable point.
Saying to others, "but it's not a big deal to me" aren't actually addressing that point. They're attempting to deny or ignore the point by trying to impose their level of tolerance of such impositions upon others. Which never works.
Not everybody even agrees what defines a thing as an imposition, let alone agrees about how they feel about it.
We just want them to work the way they do now, without extra planning or effort. At the moment, except in certain very remote areas, gas stations make driving ICE cars effectively planning and effort-free.
EVs, which are fine products now, will become even better products with even wider acceptance when they become as effort-free and planning-free as ICEVs. Which will happen when infrastructure (mostly public charging) reaches the same ubiquity as gas pumps. This isn't really an arguable point.
Saying to others, "but it's not a big deal to me" aren't actually addressing that point. They're attempting to deny or ignore the point by trying to impose their level of tolerance of such impositions upon others. Which never works.
Not everybody even agrees what defines a thing as an imposition, let alone agrees about how they feel about it.
I like the idea of EV's but I'd only get one for day to day use as a second vehicle. My brother in law drove one to Cooperstown, NY and it took hours more than it should because of charging. The charging network seems to be pretty good along both densely populated coasts of the US and along interstates but not so much when driving county roads in more rural areas. Since I'm a one car household, my next vehicle will be a hybrid or ice.
And those that have never had an EV think about these scenarios that never happen for the majority of actual EV drivers. I’ve had an EV for almost three years. I have not had a single charging issue. I don’t take it on road trips outside of 5 hours and don’t live in a remote area. If I needed to do either of those two things regularly I wouldn’t have purchased one.
Also, given charging infrastructure we should specify ev versus Tesla. Driving a non Tesla ev does sound rather painful in terms of charging.
As a Tesla owner, not an issue to me. Superchargers are convenient. Also, free chargers are at many places I visit - wineries in Napa or at the original Hog Island Oyster on Tomales Bay. So cool to be eating oysters while watching the bay waters (happens to be on the San Andreas fault line) and happily getting free energy.
People, here, and on other forums, who do own EVs have reported extra time added to trips, or various other charging-related inconveniences. Some people like them. Some have not liked them so much and sold them (including Teslas). One doesn’t need to drive an EV to listen and learn from other’s experiences.
Again, nobody’s saying EVs are bad or that nobody should buy one. Well, nobody except a few CE wingnuts. But they aren’t for everyone, not yet, at least. And that shouldn’t provoke defensive responses when someone voices an opinion that they aren’t ready to purchase one. Choice is good.
Nothing defensive at all. You’re missing the point. Rualdo asked what you do when you don’t have charging at a destination. It was explained that you don’t need charging at a destination. No one is trying to talk you into buying an EV, it was simply answering a rather legit question that he asked.
I’m not missing any points. Explaining that one doesn’t need charging at a destination is what’s missing the point. ”Need” is missing the point.
And that was my point. It isn’t about need. Some people don’t want an EV until chargers are as ubiquitous as gas pumps. Till they can be relatively assured of being able to charge almost anywhere they go.
And that’s a perfectly valid viewpoint. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about this. Different people will feel differently about it. There is no right or wrong answer.
Nope, still missing the point. He asked what EV drivers do when there isn’t a charger at a destination. He didn’t ask what prospective EV drivers may or may not want. So I, as an EV driver, explained exactly what I did in the very town he asked the question about. Not trying to sell an EV to anyone, couldn’t care less. Simply answering his question with a real life example, not a hypothetical.
“EV troll here…fair question for EV owners: what do you do when you go on vacation or somewhere for an extended period of time and have to valet or park your car and there are no chargers?”
can someone please list the hotels that have gad stations? And IIIRC, there are no gas stations on the boardwalk in AC and it is not the nicest area where you would want to get gas. Off the boardwalk, much of Atlantic City is dicey.
Here's a funny though. Just checked Google maps. Using Google Maps, found 5 electric vehicle charging stations in Atlantic City. Found 4 gas stations. More charging stations than gas stations. Hmmmm. As you said above, you can plug your vehicle into a regular outlet in a parking garage and charge up.
In addition, right at the exit off the Parkway for the Atlantic City Expressway, there are 3 charging stations. Two Tesla supercharging stations (one in a Wawa if you want to grab a coffee or something to eat) and a Charge Point charging station. There are options abound to get a charge before going to a valet park hotel.
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Ford just updated the software to show all the Tesla compatible super chargers. I will map out a Boston trip to see if any difference.
Wrong again.
You're answering a question that wasn't asked, and insisting your answer is correct.
The board's biggest narcissist at his finest.
Charge prior to arrival.
Bring your mobile connector if your staying at a rental
Tesla's in vehicle software tells you the location of every charger level 2 and above including non-Tesla chargers. Multiple Tesla owners have said this multiple times already in this thread..... Put in your destination, and the car takes care of the rest. It's that simple.
You've spent more time obsessing over charging than I have in the past 5 years of EV ownership. Honestly, I never think about it, and never had a problem.
and, after 314 pages, has never driven an EV, nor asked a single question about them. Telling
Oooh, that‘s some delightful comic irony.
mildone: we shouldn’t project our views, our tolerance levels onto others
dogcrap: you’re wrong and a big narcissist
Really strong argument there. 🤣
Is okay, I get it. I wouldn’t want to have to come up with an argument that attempts to disprove the fact that different people have different levels of tolerance for stuff. If I was stupid enough to try, I would likely also wind up just resorting to personal attacks like you’ve done.
Isn’t it funny how the guy who asked the question, that you all keep insisting I didn’t address, gave my post a like?
Hm… LOL
Because the best place to learn about EVs is a college football team forum?
So very telling, Belly. You're just full of brilliant arguments today. 🤣
Try again? You're close to striking out here but who knows, you might get lucky. Hope springs eternal. I'm rooting for you!
If this thread isn't a source of information, why are you still here? 300+ pages, never driven an EV, and you're still here.
This thread has more useful information than 99% of the click bait garbage out there in mainstream media about EV. You should know. You've posted plenty of click bait garbage, which guys like me have to correct.
Maybe try the comments section on the ever reliable Jalopnik. There's a wealth of knowledge there. Never wrong. A troll like you would fit in perfectly.
This is a conservative estimate IMO . With more automakers using LFP cells, the average battery pack cost will come down even further.
Aren't EVs on cost parity with ICE when you factor cost of ownership? If not, it's pretty close already.
LOL. Another swing and a miss.
Your contention that either I participate in forums for the same reasons you do or I’m doing it wrong, followed by bragging about your contributions to the thread, which have been mostly propagandizing with a fair bit of disinformation, is a bad look for a guy who just accused someone else of being narcissistic just a few hours earlier.
You’re now up to 3 unprovoked personal attacks in a row. How’s it working out for you so far? 😀
I have detailed it before. After 1 or 2 years of ownership, price of my F150 Lighting equal to cost of similarly equipped F150 ICE.
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Signed a contract last night for a 23 lightning lariat. The recent discounts have been too good to pass up. Hoping to pick up sat assuming all goes well. It's a 200 mile drive so will test battery capacity on the way home, hope I don't have to stop to recharge.
