Extended range or standard? It is a sweet deal if you can get the Fed tax credit. XLT long range with an out the door price of 58k.
OT: Electric vehicles
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Extended range. It's one of those too good to be true stories so I'm waiting until truck is in hand but the contract I signed is for low 50's out the door for a 80 MSRP sticker.
Wow, let us know how it works out. At that price, I might trade my standard range to the extended range.
ETA if they charged it to 90%, you’ll make 200 miles easily unless you go 90+ all the way home.
Congrats! It was early in the process, but my dealer did not have fast charging, and was charging on a regular outlet at the dealership, but I only had 7 miles to drive home. I would confirm that your battery will be fully charged when you pick up the vehicle with your dealer. I would also either use the app or go to the website A Better Route Planner just in case. As you have probably seen here, your best bet is to drive 70 mph or under on long hauls. If you set yours to one pedal driving, you will get regenerative braking, and when you are driving where there are stops, the braking will partially regenerate the battery.
I forgot that you had a standard range. 50's for an ICE ER? Holy smokes what a great deal. You can't get an ICE Lariat that cheap. The base starting price is $64K.
A buddy said he got a crazy lease deal offer on a Lariat Lightning. He's been looking for an EV and was basically thinking something like a Tesla or even a Polestar but on a whim he went into his local Ford dealer who had a bunch of Lightnings on the lot and the deal was crazy he said.
Now he's trying to figure out how to sell the wife that their EV will be a pickup. LOL.
Our Grand Cherokee lease is up next month and as I said I've been looking around at some EVs. The Polestar 2 apparently has some decent deals but if Ford dealers are basically dumping Lightnings, I too may have to figure out how to tell the wife we are getting a pick up.
EDIT: Did you use any X plan pricing, etc?
Yes, using x plan. Also trying to convince my wife of the same thing, replacing the minivan with the lightning. Using the if you build it they will come approach. Ironically she's buying the lightning since I'm over income limit and she's not so I guess we file separately next year.
Yes it's in the top good to be true category. Goes something like this.
MSRP 79k
10k dealer discount
7.5k Ford bonus cash
7.5k fed tax credit
3k ish x plan (don't have exact figure handy).
Here is the best advice you may get when trying to figure out your range. I learned the hard way, and it took over a full year of ownership to accept it.
Ignore the "guess-o-meter" or "lie-o-meter" that tells you how many miles you have before your battery runs out. It can be wildly inaccurate. I have gotten into the habit of looking at the "state of charge" or the % left on the battery. It can be complicated while driving, but keep in mind the ER battery is rated for 131 kWh.
As an example, on the ride to work up the Parkway this morning, averaging about 70 mph, I started with 90% charge and ended with 77% charge. That is 13% of the battery kWh consumed. If I was on a long trip, that would leave me 72% charge (leaving 5%) in the battery for the rest of the trip. 72% is about 94 kWh, and my miles/kWH were running about 2.17, and that would leave me about 205 miles left to drive.
As I said above, you should be more than good for a 200 mile drive, as long as you are not flying above 75 mph the whole way.
They already updated the story that it was not the valet. Looks pretty beat up for a bullet proof truck.
Some solid-state battery news from a week ago.
electrek.co
Sounds like it's happening?
Mullen has gotten it's foot in the door of the commercial EV market.
Mullen sees better than expected road testing results from energy-dense solid-state batteries
Mullen Automotive announced it has begun road testing Class 1 electric vans equipped with solid-state polymer batteries alongside footage of...
electrek.co
Sounds like it's happening?
Mullen has gotten it's foot in the door of the commercial EV market.
LOL. Tax and spend state gonna tax and spend.
Trenton considers a new annual fee for electric vehicles owners and a gas tax hike
If the bill passes, fees on electric vehicles will go into effect in July.
www.app.com
Why shouldn't EV owners contribute to the maintenance of the roads that they use?LOL. Tax and spend state gonna tax and spend.
Trenton considers a new annual fee for electric vehicles owners and a gas tax hike
If the bill passes, fees on electric vehicles will go into effect in July.www.app.com
Please tell me where I said EV owners should not contribute to the roads they use. You may want to do some research, because EV owners already pay into the fund through tolls. And the $250 is regressive to senior citizens and those EV owners that don't drive many miles. Why not base the fee in the number of miles driven each year?
And my statement stands about tax and spend idiots. We would not be in this bind if the idiots who run this state did not lock it down for 2 years
New Jersey Transportation Trust Fund Authority - FAQ
New Jersey Transportation Trust Fund Authority,
nj.gov
This is in Moab, Utah. Hate to see this shit with the tourist jeeps in Sedona, AZ. Black tire tracks all over the natural rocks. It's an unnecessary and Look at me! bullshit move.
Everybody's a critic of government. Nobody ever wants to step up and prove they do better.
If government is so bad, run for governor and fix it.
A few things. Toll road contributions are just a small portion of revenues for the fund. I think the last time I saw the numbers it was like 1%. The vast majority comes from gas/diesel taxes. And gas powered owners pay tolls too so...............
It certainly does seem like another tax grab from a state that loves to tax shit but the logic behind it, given the gas taxes, makes some sense to me. Now the flat $250 fee? I am not sure that's the best way to go about this.
The EV tax though certainly related to this thread, is a likely tangent to hell in terms of discussion.
Tire remnants in Moab is barely related at all to the topic.
What I do think is related to the thread is, in my opinion, that truck looks as stupid in that environment, as it does in most other environments I've seen.
The "graffiti" on the trucks in the video? I think it helps a little.
I hear rust spots appearing in the stainless is a bit of a thing already.
Which made me think of the stainless weber grills at my shop, which if we leave outside in winter, and exposed to road salt, will certainly begin to show those rust spots.
Tolls only fund the toll roads...and NJT. NJ Tpk, GSP, AC Expressway are self funded. the rest of the roads are managed with a combination of Federal, State, and Local funding, much of which comes from gas taxes. When you don't pay gas taxes, you're not holding up your end. I agree that a fee based on miles would be appropriate, however, that requires some structure for being able to assess the fee, handle compliance, and collections. that also comes with cost, and imo, too much govt and reduces the amount of money that actually goes to infrastructure maintenance and improvements.
I never implied that the tolls should be the only tax on EVs. And we agree that a $250 flat is not the best way. Some sort of registration fee based on the number of miles driven seems more appropriate, which would correlate with road use. Or collect a tax at EV charging stations, if you can find one anywhere (that's a joke to the guys who say they don't exist!). Would have no problem with either proposal.
And has our State considered that repaving the roads is blowing a hole in the ozone layer with all of the asphalt produced and the machinery used to lay it down? That's sarcasm. Nothing is perfect and nothing is emissions free. The idiots who make rules, legislation and taxes need to think about that.
We agree mostly. Could also impose a tax at charging stations.
The tough part is how do you tax the people charging at home? NJ will always find a way to extract more tax revenue from the residents.
that's why a fee for mileage or a registration fee makes the most sense.
I don't know, painted dots marking mtb trails aren't natural either. And the 4×4 and motorcycle trails are ultimately what spurred Moab into a global mtb destination. Otherwise it might still be barren, forgotten BLM land.
I'm not into rock crawling but I do think Moab has traditionally done a good job of managing it and maintaining space for everyone.
One of the last things I'd want is the government tracking my movement about the state. And, without that, I'm not sure how a mileage-based approach could work.
Maybe a fee at charging stations, but that isn't ideal either since lots of people use the roads but charge at home.
A registration fee could work. Still not ideal, though.
Tracking energy-use (kinda like mileage, but doesn't require tracking where the energy was used) could be doable, but would require an easily defeatable device ECU-attached device (or a manufacturer enhancement).
Shocking that mainstream media runs with this. Cybertruck rusting? Is it true? Who cares! Print it.
This is surface contamination from Cybertrucks that were transported by rail.. Iron dust from trains getting imbedded in surface and rusting.
This is not the same stainless steel as your grill. Tesla spent 4 years developing this unique alloy. Do you really think it wasn't tested?
I think they are in a better position than Lucid. At least SUVs are more popular and I have been seeing a lot of their Amazon vans recently.
Tested by the same testers who checked to be sure the CT's windows were unbreakable before Elon's embarrassing onstage faux-pas? That kind of tested?
Well, Rivian's cash burn is 2x of Lucid, but at least Rivian is making a product that people want. Rivian has to cut costs ASAP. Lucid is functionally bankrupt already.
Am I wrong or did I just make this up but I swear the utility companies have a way to track even home charger usage. I swear I read some utility companies provide discounted off hours charging rates but the way that works is through a smart charger or the car itself sending data to the utility company.
Could you tax the electricity charges for EV charging if that kind of data was available?
I like that R3 best. Reminds me of a Lada Niva ..world needs more angular, rugged off-road hatchbacks imo.
