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And now an engine that eats its own carbon:

That's an interesting idea. I look at the problem of reducing human carbon footprint, and I think the real, meaningfully impactful solution(s) are much more likely going to come from things that directly address cleaning carbon out of the atmosphere rather than measures like EVs.

Like planting huge numbers of oak trees. But, eventually, also from inventions such as the one in the article.

Which isn't to say EVs aren't a good idea. I think they probably area good idea. Just not so much as a means of significantly reducing human carbon production. At least not anytime in the next 50 years.

Unlike some here, I'm also not at all opposed to shifting more and more energy production to renewable sources. Although, again unlike some here, I think being cautious to not dispose of existing energy production facilities too quickly would be wise. We can keep them around, keep them maintained, while shifting reliance away from them over time.
 
Fear. Must have more fear.

Meanwhile in the non-tinfoil hat world, EV’s accounted for 20% of vehicle sales.
I don't really see his post as fear-mongering at all. He's correct about the FBI pushing out warnings about Chinese attacks on infrastructure, including the electrical grid.

Maybe he's being slightly alarmist. But let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Ignoring alarmism and paranoia is okay. But maintaining a variety of energy production methods, along with a variety of automotive propulsion methods, is simply being smart about not boxing ourselves in.

And we know that politicians (of all ideological affinities) are lobbied constantly by other nations looking to profit and/or influence US policy in ways that benefit them. That's been going on, and will continue to go on, for a very long time.

So it's hardly a bad idea to push for more government transparency in such matters.
 
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Read an interesting article on Jeep. They are planning a different type of hybrid where the motor is electric but there is a gas engine that can be used to recharge the battery.

Edit. Sorry, they call it range extender, not hybrid
 
That's an interesting idea. I look at the problem of reducing human carbon footprint, and I think the real, meaningfully impactful solution(s) are much more likely going to come from things that directly address cleaning carbon out of the atmosphere rather than measures like EVs.

Like planting huge numbers of oak trees. But, eventually, also from inventions such as the one in the article.

Which isn't to say EVs aren't a good idea. I think they probably area good idea. Just not so much as a means of significantly reducing human carbon production. At least not anytime in the next 50 years.

Unlike some here, I'm also not at all opposed to shifting more and more energy production to renewable sources. Although, again unlike some here, I think being cautious to not dispose of existing energy production facilities too quickly would be wise. We can keep them around, keep them maintained, while shifting reliance away from them over time.

Yeah, you gotta roll your eyes anytime someone gets too bullish on the idea that the only way to clean things up is by building and selling a bunch of new products (plus new manufacturing infrastructure) to replace what's already out there.
 
Read an interesting article on Jeep. They are planning a different type of hybrid where the motor is electric but there is a gas engine that can be used to recharge the battery.

Edit. Sorry, they call it range extender, not hybrid

Sounds like a series hybrid, like the Chevy Volt.
 
We’ve had our EV since end of October but also have a truck (diesel) and an ICE vehicle too. We also have solar with a battery backup which allows us to stay powered when the grid goes down and our solar to function. Charging at home with our L2 charger is pretty fast and hasn’t been more than $20/month. DC fast charging is a bit more challenging but with planning for a road trip isn’t too bad. Granted you need to build in some time if a charger is occupied or doesn’t work but the planning apps keep getting better with real time status. That being said, if I need to be somewhere is a specific timeframe right now I would likely take the truck. But on our recent road trip to BC in frigid weather we took the EV and were able to find chargers relatively easily with minimal wait time. We weren’t in a rush so it added about 45 minutes to an hour on each side of the round trip. FWIW Canada may not have quite as many chargers but still plentiful and possibly better maintained as we didn’t encounter any that weren’t working. But the network definitely needs to improve both with number of chargers and reliability. Rented a Tesla on a weekend trip back in November and didn’t really like the car (Model Y). It drove nicely but was very utilitarian and didn’t have great cargo space. But the charging experience was nice in that it was just plug and play and worked. It was also 75 and sunny.
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Read an interesting article on Jeep. They are planning a different type of hybrid where the motor is electric but there is a gas engine that can be used to recharge the battery.

Edit. Sorry, they call it range extender, not hybrid

Sounds like a series hybrid, like the Chevy Volt.
Dodge Ram is supposed to offer something like that in 2025.

"the Ramcharger uses a unique body-on-frame platform, but instead of just two electric motors, there's a gas-fed V-6 under the hood that acts as a generator. As the battery depletes, the gas engine kicks in to help recharge, therefore adding power and eliminating range anxiety. Of course, it can still be plugged into a DC fast-charger like a normal EV. Ram also estimates 145 miles of pure-electric driving range. As an alternative to the Ram EV, the Ramcharger aims to provide a solution for longtime gas-engine lovers who don't want to rely solely on batteries to get to and from the job site or office."

 
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Yeah, series hybrid. Auto Co's prefer to call it a range extended EV or some such crap but it's the same idea as the Volt ...engine does not drive the wheels, just serves as a generator.

Anyone as absolutely sick as I am of hearing how fast every EV is. OK if it's a sports car, but wtf do I care about the "fastest Jeep ever?" Especially on Gear Junkie ...talk about all that torque ibexing around Moab like it's Alex Honnold.
 
Ran into a buddy who bought a Tesla in the Fall. Says he loves it, then proceeds to tell me that he can’t go fast on the highways because it destroys the battery life (does 55 in right lane to conserve)…almost ran out of juice in PA recently because there are no charging stations and on the way home got detoured due to road construction and barely made it (was down to 2%)…said planning is the key and he would never have two electric cars and now uses his wife’s ICE for long distances. Sounded like “love” to me…these dudes are brainwashed.
 
Ran into a buddy who bought a Tesla in the Fall. Says he loves it, then proceeds to tell me that he can’t go fast on the highways because it destroys the battery life (does 55 in right lane to conserve)…almost ran out of juice in PA recently because there are no charging stations and on the way home got detoured due to road construction and barely made it (was down to 2%)…said planning is the key and he would never have two electric cars and now uses his wife’s ICE for long distances. Sounded like “love” to me…these dudes are brainwashed.
You sound like a broken record. You hate EVs and mick those that have them. We get it. Your points have been detailed multiple times. For those that have charging at home and use their EV as a daily driver, however, an EV is a terrific choice.
 
You sound like a broken record. You hate EVs and mick those that have them. We get it. Your points have been detailed multiple times. For those that have charging at home and use their EV as a daily driver, however, an EV is a terrific choice.
Who are you fooling - THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS ONE MASSIVE BROKEN RECORD - including you with your post! I get it = you like EVs. You get it = I like hybrids. I’m not mocking anyone because I’ll gladly buy an EV once a semblance of a charging network exists. And if nothing else my story confirms recent comments on this thread about Teslas owning the slow lane on highways and how even a simple trip to PA can be a challenge.
 
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Who are you fooling - THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS ONE MASSIVE BROKEN RECORD - including you with your post! I get it = you like EVs. You get it = I like hybrids. I’m not mocking anyone because I’ll gladly buy an EV once a semblance of a charging network exists. And if nothing else my story confirms recent comments on this thread about Teslas owning the slow lane on highways and how even a simple trip to PA can be a challenge.
I rarely if ever drive to PA, but thanks for your outlier story. People who are angry at others' choices are amusing.

And your owning the slow lane thing is funny. I drive 75-80 mph on my daily commute with no issues.

And you fail to accept that households have different vehicles for different purposes. Like owning a pickup truck for making Home Depot runs, hauling stuff, etc. Or having a Jeep if someone is into off-road driving. Really no different at all. But go in with your silly diatribes and gotchas. Many people are happy EV owners. New technology always has challenges in the early stages. Think of the Internet. Remember DSL in the 1990s?
 
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I rarely if ever drive to PA, but thanks for your outlier story. People who are angry at others' choices are amusing.

And your owning the slow lane thing is funny. I drive 75-80 mph on my daily commute with no issues.

And you fail to accept that households have different vehicles for different purposes. Like owning a pickup truck for making Home Depot runs, hauling stuff, etc. Or having a Jeep if someone is into off-road driving. Really no different at all. But go in with your silly diatribes and gotchas. Many people are happy EV owners. New technology always has challenges in the early stages. Think of the Internet. Remember DSL in the 1990s?
Yes, an “outlier story” - yet EV battery performance due to climate and driving habits is perhaps the single biggest knock on EVs at the moment other than the pathetic charging network. Do you actually read this thread or pay attention to the news? And no clue why you think I’m angry at others choices. This entire thread has devolved into nothing more than an open debate on EVs (for better or worse). I almost bought a Rivian and really like EVs. But I couldn’t get past the lack of a legit charging network. So with that said, why don’t you tell us all what we are supposed to post on the “electric vehicles” thread?
 
Yes, an “outlier story” - yet EV battery performance due to climate and driving habits is perhaps the single biggest knock on EVs at the moment other than the pathetic charging network. Do you actually read this thread or pay attention to the news? And no clue why you think I’m angry at others choices. This entire thread has devolved into nothing more than an open debate on EVs (for better or worse). I almost bought a Rivian and really like EVs. But I couldn’t get past the lack of a legit charging network. So with that said, why don’t you tell us all what we are supposed to post on the “electric vehicles” thread?
ignore him, his last post is the epitome of irony
 
Ran into a buddy who bought a Tesla in the Fall. Says he loves it, then proceeds to tell me that he can’t go fast on the highways because it destroys the battery life (does 55 in right lane to conserve)…almost ran out of juice in PA recently because there are no charging stations and on the way home got detoured due to road construction and barely made it (was down to 2%)…said planning is the key and he would never have two electric cars and now uses his wife’s ICE for long distances. Sounded like “love” to me…these dudes are brainwashed.
This early after getting it, it sounds like typical choice-supportive bias (aka post-purchase rationalization, or buyer’s Stockholm syndrome). The real test is how people feel after a few years with a vehicle. About any car, EV or otherwise.

Also, it’s likely new EV owners adapt and become more adept with their cars over time. And if infrastructure improves greatly, range concerns will disappear.

Be interesting to see where we’re at in 5 years.
 
Who are you fooling - THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS ONE MASSIVE BROKEN RECORD - including you with your post! I get it = you like EVs. You get it = I like hybrids. I’m not mocking anyone because I’ll gladly buy an EV once a semblance of a charging network exists. And if nothing else my story confirms recent comments on this thread about Teslas owning the slow lane on highways and how even a simple trip to PA can be a challenge.

Your story is a lie.
 
Yes, an “outlier story” - yet EV battery performance due to climate and driving habits is perhaps the single biggest knock on EVs at the moment other than the pathetic charging network. Do you actually read this thread or pay attention to the news? And no clue why you think I’m angry at others choices. This entire thread has devolved into nothing more than an open debate on EVs (for better or worse). I almost bought a Rivian and really like EVs. But I couldn’t get past the lack of a legit charging network. So with that said, why don’t you tell us all what we are supposed to post on the “electric vehicles” thread?
See below, sport. It's called evolution and progress. Same thing happened with ICE vehicles when they first rolled out in the early 1900s. Doubt that gas stations were ubiquitous. Ford and Tesla drivers have a network to rely on. Planning in advance to know where to stop is key. Tesla's network is far from pathetic. It's reliable.

Just gave you one less reason to dial down the hate. Enjoy your day. Every day brings brand new joy to me driving my EV.
@Knight Shift

Damn, much sooner than anticipated. Was thinking to them, Spring meant August. Reason to celebrate. You still going to unload your Lightning? I'm thrilled with mine. I like to run ICE vehicles off the road, and blow them off the line. Now when my battery gets decharged from all the jackrabbit starts, I can charge up at a Tesla charging station. 🙃
 
@Knight Shift

Did you sign up for an adapter? I would still trade in my Lighting if I can get a 3rd row SUV that can handle 240v output.
I did sign up. The website was slow/crashing (kind of like Ticketmaster when Springsteen tickets go on sale for NJ), but I have a June 2024 delivery date. I suppose the 3rd row is important to you because you are still in the child/family driving mode, which we are past. Have you considered putting the kids or unruly adults in the frunk? 🤔

I posted above a Mercedes vehicle, but not sure if that is an SUV (maybe it was a sedan), and not sure about 240V output. Maybe one of the Dodge/Ram products may work for you.
 
Anyone as absolutely sick as I am of hearing how fast every EV is. OK if it's a sports car, but wtf do I care about the "fastest Jeep ever?"
For me, the insistence on imbuing otherwise ordinary cars with massive acceleration is a very dangerous idea. It was dangerous enough when it was just a select few higher end sports cars.

But at least then, the price of admission ensured that most folks were relatively careful with their car and didn't risk spinning it into a tree. It happened (as plenty of YouTube videos attest). But was pretty infrequent.

Now, you can get sub 4s acceleration in all kinds of vehicles, many of them heavy due to batteries and/or being SUVs or trucks. And all lacking the kind of mechanical grip high end sports cars possess.

So I'd bet that, if accidents were tracked with enough detail, we'd see highway/onramp merge accidents going way up statistically. And that will doubtless eventually lead to government overreaction and overregulation.
 
Ran into a buddy who bought a Tesla in the Fall. Says he loves it, then proceeds to tell me that he can’t go fast on the highways because it destroys the battery life (does 55 in right lane to conserve)…almost ran out of juice in PA recently because there are no charging stations and on the way home got detoured due to road construction and barely made it (was down to 2%)…said planning is the key and he would never have two electric cars and now uses his wife’s ICE for long distances. Sounded like “love” to me…these dudes are brainwashed.
You're a terrible liar.
 
You're a terrible liar.
"destroys the battery life!" 🙃
If I drive 80 mph on the Parkway, I will see about a 10% reduction from my mi/kWh. 🤷‍♂️ Far from destroying my battery life, and that is driving a boxy pickup truck.

"there are no charging stations and on the way home."
"As of 2023, Pennsylvania offers a total of 3,696 charging ports spread across more than 1,400 public EV charging locations."🤔

"said planning is the key". 👍
 
Ford electric vehicles are now eligible to use Tesla's charging system, and the financial conditions are now available.

"Now that Tesla is onboarding Ford EV owners on the network, we are learning more about the business behind it and Tesla’s approach.

Unsurprisingly, Tesla is charging Ford EV owners differently than Tesla’s own EV owners. Looking at the costs at different charging stations in the US and Canada, it looks like Tesla is charging Ford EV owners about a 30% premium per kWh of charging at Superchargers on average.

That can get expensive really quickly.

Tesla offers a solution. Non-Tesla EV owners, like Ford’s EV owners, can pay a $13 per month Supercharging membership to pay the same price per kWh as Tesla owners:

I could see Tesla making over $1 billion a year in revenue just from non-Tesla EVs using the Supercharger network in North America by the end of the decade."

Electric.com
 
Ford electric vehicles are now eligible to use Tesla's charging system, and the financial conditions are now available.

"Now that Tesla is onboarding Ford EV owners on the network, we are learning more about the business behind it and Tesla’s approach.

Unsurprisingly, Tesla is charging Ford EV owners differently than Tesla’s own EV owners. Looking at the costs at different charging stations in the US and Canada, it looks like Tesla is charging Ford EV owners about a 30% premium per kWh of charging at Superchargers on average.

That can get expensive really quickly.

Tesla offers a solution. Non-Tesla EV owners, like Ford’s EV owners, can pay a $13 per month Supercharging membership to pay the same price per kWh as Tesla owners:

I could see Tesla making over $1 billion a year in revenue just from non-Tesla EVs using the Supercharger network in North America by the end of the decade."

Electric.com
As a F150 Lightning owner I have no problem with it. Tesla built the best charging network. They made the investment based on sales of Tesla vehicles. Ford owners should not have free access
 
As a F150 Lightning owner I have no problem with it. Tesla built the best charging network. They made the investment based on sales of Tesla vehicles. Ford owners should not have free access
What will be interesting is to see how long it takes before the Gov’t steps in and pulls some public utility BS on Tesla’s network. The younger generation doesn’t realize that a company like AT&T used to be the Google/Nvidia of its time. I think it could take years but at some point if Tesla keeps expanding and car manufacturers have to go through Tesla you can bet the Gov’t will scream monopoly. But that could be decades away from now.
 
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Ford electric vehicles are now eligible to use Tesla's charging system, and the financial conditions are now available.

"Now that Tesla is onboarding Ford EV owners on the network, we are learning more about the business behind it and Tesla’s approach.

Unsurprisingly, Tesla is charging Ford EV owners differently than Tesla’s own EV owners. Looking at the costs at different charging stations in the US and Canada, it looks like Tesla is charging Ford EV owners about a 30% premium per kWh of charging at Superchargers on average.

That can get expensive really quickly.

Tesla offers a solution. Non-Tesla EV owners, like Ford’s EV owners, can pay a $13 per month Supercharging membership to pay the same price per kWh as Tesla owners:

I could see Tesla making over $1 billion a year in revenue just from non-Tesla EVs using the Supercharger network in North America by the end of the decade."

Electric.com
I have not been to a public charger in over a year. I’m guessing Tesla is hoping people will sign up for membership because it’s only $13 per month
 

"In addition to individual models, the company ranked the most common issues with electric vehicles. Its executive director of EV practice, Brent Gruber, said, “Many products are hitting the mark and resonating with shoppers but, at the same time, the decline in satisfaction with public charging availability should serve as a warning because concern about access to public charging is a key reason many buyers currently reject BEVs. For EVs to reach their full potential, this issue needs to be resolved."
 
@jtung230 - a couple of 3 row Cadillac products on the horizon. The Escalade advertises 450 miles of range, as long as you stay in the slow lane and drive 10 mph!

Lucid Gravity with 3 rows and 440 miles of range.

There a lot of 3rd row options but 250V output feature is rare.
 
There a lot of 3rd row options but 250V output feature is rare.
I keep missing that.

Great video by Tom at the State of Charge channel, in Avenel, NJ! Tesla supercharger using the adapter. He gushes about Ford and Tom Farley leading "the charge" to getting Ford owners access to Tesla superchargers.

 
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I keep missing that.

Great video by Tom at the State of Charge channel, in Avenel, NJ! Tesla supercharger using the adapter. He gushes about Ford and Tom Farley leading "the charge" to getting Ford owners access to Tesla superchargers.

Like his content in Lighting. Will be a plus for longer road trips.
 
Like his content in Lighting. Will be a plus for longer road trips.
No pun intended, but I'm pretty amp'd. Another great feature shown in that video is that the Charge Assist feature in the video interface of the vehicle will tell you which Tesla charging stations are compatible with Ford. Apparently some older versions (V2 superchargers) are not compatible, but V3 and V4 are compatible. This will be great for long drives and guiding the driver to the nearest/best stopping point to charge up.

All that said, we don't drive that much beyond daily drives. Maybe up to New Haven, CT once in a while to see our kid in college, but we might go exploring out in Pa for mountain bike, riding, etc.
 
No pun intended, but I'm pretty amp'd. Another great feature shown in that video is that the Charge Assist feature in the video interface of the vehicle will tell you which Tesla charging stations are compatible with Ford. Apparently some older versions (V2 superchargers) are not compatible, but V3 and V4 are compatible. This will be great for long drives and guiding the driver to the nearest/best stopping point to charge up.

All that said, we don't drive that much beyond daily drives. Maybe up to New Haven, CT once in a while to see our kid in college, but we might go exploring out in Pa for mountain bike, riding, etc.
The Ford website is very informative. Only the upgraded Tesla chargers will work (250kw). I like the fact that it can be done via Ford pass app.
 
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This is great…
Tesla shareholder lawyers: Elon didn’t earn his pay by hitting all of the astronomical goals that were agreed to.
Also Tesla shareholder lawyers: pay us $6 billion.

 
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