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Of course this comment will be misconstrued, because I'm just a cultish fan boy, but I did Massachusetts 2 winters ago from central Jersey. Left home w/ 100% SOC, 1 charging stop on the way up, one on the way back. 20-25 min each.
Not sure where you're getting 2.5 hours from, but which EV you buy and which charging network you use matters a lot. This is important context for those considering an EV.
Don’t sell yourself short. You’re not just a cultish fan boy. You’re one hell of massively cultish fan boy. 😉

In every independent real-world EV range test I’ve seen, Teslas perform among the worst versus their stated or EPA or even initially estimated range. So perhaps you had a lucky day with charging. But But we know, from independent sources, that range loss in winter is a thing even with your car.
 
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Of course this comment will be misconstrued, because I'm just a cultish fan boy, but I did Massachusetts 2 winters ago from central Jersey. Left home w/ 100% SOC, 1 charging stop on the way up, one on the way back. 20-25 min each.
Not sure where you're getting 2.5 hours from, but which EV you buy and which charging network you use matters a lot. This is important context for those considering an EV.
Every vehicle has different range. But the point is that if you drive fast, range will suffer. There are a lot of videos on YouTube showing this. Model Y got 250 miles doing 80 mph. That’s 20% below the EPA 310 miles. I find it funny how Tesla loves to tout the 0-60 time but on highways, they are always the slow ones doing 70 mph. I’m guilty as well when I drive long distance in my EVs.
 
Every vehicle has different range. But the point is that if you drive fast, range will suffer. There are a lot of videos on YouTube showing this. Model Y got 250 miles doing 80 mph. That’s 20% below the EPA 310 miles. I find it funny how Tesla loves to tout the 0-60 time but on highways, they are always the slow ones doing 70 mph. I’m guilty as well when I drive long distance in my EVs.
It’s merely anecdotal, but I regularly see Tesla’s driving unusually slowly on the highway, being passed by everybody else. I’ve always assumed they are aiming for range efficiency.

Presumably it’s a thing across all EV brands and I’m just cognitively registering Tesla’s because there are a lot more of them on the road than other brands.
 
It’s merely anecdotal, but I regularly see Tesla’s driving unusually slowly on the highway, being passed by everybody else. I’ve always assumed they are aiming for range efficiency.

Presumably it’s a thing across all EV brands and I’m just cognitively registering Tesla’s because there are a lot more of them on the road than other brands.
It’s all EVs. If you want to hit EPA estimates, you have to go 70 or below.
 
It’s all EVs. If you want to hit EPA estimates, you have to go 70 or below.
I see that there is some political noise about forcing auto-makers to limit cars to very little above posted speed limits. That would totally suck. 😁

I’ll definitely vote against any politician who advocates or votes for it.
 
Of course this comment will be misconstrued, because I'm just a cultish fan boy, but I did Massachusetts 2 winters ago from central Jersey. Left home w/ 100% SOC, 1 charging stop on the way up, one on the way back. 20-25 min each.
Not sure where you're getting 2.5 hours from, but which EV you buy and which charging network you use matters a lot. This is important context for those considering an EV.
For those that don't want a Tesla, and the reasons can be many for not wanting a Tesla, for example, wanting a more conventional pickup truck and not something that looks ridiculous, the charging network still presents challenges that prohibit 20-25 minutes of charging.
 
I’ll be interested to see if your experience is different once the Tesla charging network opens up.
The question is when will this happen. Our range for our Volvo Recharge plug in hybrid is 530 miles. We could drive the whole way unless a bathroom break is needed without a stop. With the F150 Lightning, we need at least 2 stops, at 40 minutes each for 15% to 80% SOC, plus having to find a charging station at the end of the trip (we will be going to a remote cabin), so that adds another 40 minutes- another 2 hours, no matter how we slice it. Not sure we want the hassle. Gas stations are all over the place and not hard to find.
 
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First time in my life I've ever been called a right winger. QAnon too! Elon obsessed with money?!? He's been working for free for the last 5 years at Tesla. Lol .. you're too much.
I don't know your history of posts, but your unabashed love for Elon was concerning. No one should idolize public figures. I liked Musk much more when he stayed out of politics and was dedicated to the Tesla brand. He is now becoming much more of a liability for Tesla. Elon working for free is meaningless. Lot's of founder CEO's of companies don't take much salary. Their net worth is the stock price, not CEO salary.
 
I don't know your history of posts, but your unabashed love for Elon was concerning. No one should idolize public figures. I liked Musk much more when he stayed out of politics and was dedicated to the Tesla brand. He is now becoming much more of a liability for Tesla. Elon working for free is meaningless. Lot's of founder CEO's of companies don't take much salary. Their net worth is the stock price, not CEO salary.
You don't know my history of posts, but that didn't stop you from calling me a right-wing extremist QAnon supporter. Clearly you're very sensitive to anything/anyone that disagrees with you. Maybe just put me on ignore from now on. I don't want to trigger your next tantrum.
 
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You don't know my history of posts, but that didn't stop you from calling me a right-wing extremist QAnon supporter. Clearly you're very sensitive to anything/anyone that disagrees with you. Maybe just put me on ignore from now on. I don't want to trigger your next tantrum.
Is EDS a thing like TDS? 🤷‍♂️
I'm far from a fan of the guy, and don't particularly like Tesla vehicles (don't hate them either, I'm neutral), but find the guy to be pretty interesting even if he has some controversial takes on things.
 
You don't know my history of posts, but that didn't stop you from calling me a right-wing extremist QAnon supporter. Clearly you're very sensitive to anything/anyone that disagrees with you. Maybe just put me on ignore from now on. I don't want to trigger your next tantrum.
Not for nothing, but you do the same exact thing, albeit with different stereotypes.

Using me, for example, you (used to, but no so much anymore for some reason) constantly refer to me as an EV hater or as someone who is anti-EV. And that's just not at all true.

You also referred to me as anti-Tesla which again is untrue. Because, presumably, you're somewhat over-sensitive to being teased about your EV evangelism and/or your adulation of Tesla/Musk.

And when I post my negative opinions about self-driving tech (for ALL types and brands of cars), you have appeared offended and insultingly mischaracterized me in various ways over it. Which is kinda what that other forum member did to you.

I'm unbothered by it. It's all good fun for me.

But if you're gonna treat others a certain way, you really ought not to complain when someone else treats you the same way. No?
 
Musk is Mr. Free speech, unless he is talking about China.
Chila among other things, it seems. Such as problems with Tesla (internally or the products).

Like most people, he's not so much "free speech" in practice. But super free speech in theory.
 
Back to business:

Ford F-150 Lightning buyers can take advantage as well
In addition to the lower prices of the Mustang Mach-E, Ford followed up with additional news this morning, sharing it has also added new bonus cash incentives for certain trims of the 2023 F-150 Lightning.

The Lariat, XLT, and Pro versions of the 2023 Lightning currently qualify for a $7,500 retail credit for eligible customers at the point of sale. Still, Ford has added additional bonuses as follows:

  • $7,500 retail bonus cash on an F-150 XLT Extended Range purchase
  • $5,000 retail bonus cash on F-150 Lightning Lariat Standard and Extended Range purchase
  • $12,500 retail bonus cash for the F-150 Lightning Platinum
If US consumers would prefer instead to pursue a lease of a 2023 F-150 Lightning, Ford has added some new offers to help sweeten the deal:

  • $1,500 red carpet lease cash for the XLT
  • $5,000 red carpet lease cash on the Lariat
  • $7,500 red carpet lease cash for a Platinum

 
You don't know my history of posts, but that didn't stop you from calling me a right-wing extremist QAnon supporter. Clearly you're very sensitive to anything/anyone that disagrees with you. Maybe just put me on ignore from now on. I don't want to trigger your next tantrum.
I don’t know your entire history of posts, but your posts about Musk and Tesla certainly reek of far right rhetoric. I like Tesla and own a large amount of Tesla stock. But I am not going to blindly follow anyone. I try to stay as objective as possible. I definitely don’t get triggered. I am very even keeled.
 
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I don't know your history of posts, but your unabashed love for Elon was concerning. No one should idolize public figures. I liked Musk much more when he stayed out of politics and was dedicated to the Tesla brand. He is now becoming much more of a liability for Tesla. Elon working for free is meaningless. Lot's of founder CEO's of companies don't take much salary. Their net worth is the stock price, not CEO salary.
You’re a totally triggered snowflake 😂😂😂😂
 
@mildone start flying Delta

My ex-GF was just bugging me to take her to the F1 race in Abu Dhabi at the end of the month. Was look at ticket prices on United Etihad. Not bad in economy, but no way I’d do that. 1st class with good airlines and not too many stops can be had for low $20Ks per ticket. Didn’t check business class, but that’d be a minimum requirement for a trip like that.

Race tix for a good VIP package with lots of access to everything would be around $10K. Pretty sure that doesn’t include lodging.

Montreal sounds better. Don’t need the airline tix. 😀

Edit: Oh, and speaking of Porsches, I finally got my Cayenne S back from the shop (after two months). Took It for a spin earlier with the suspension in its firmest setting (which is firm). Now my lower back is killing me. Who woulda thought repeatedly pounding vertebrae together with disc issues would be problematic? Doh.
 
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My ex-GF was just bugging me to take her to the F1 race in Abu Dhabi at the end of the month. Was look at ticket prices on United Etihad. Not bad in economy, but no way I’d do that. 1st class with good airlines and not too many stops can be had for low $20Ks per ticket. Didn’t check business class, but that’d be a minimum requirement for a trip like that.

Race tix for a good VIP package with lots of access to everything would be around $10K. Pretty sure that doesn’t include lodging.

Montreal sounds better. Don’t need the airline tix. 😀

Edit: Oh, and speaking of Porsches, I finally got my Cayenne S back from the shop (after two months). Took It for a spin earlier with the suspension in its firmest setting (which is firm). Now my lower back is killing me. Who woulda thought repeatedly pounding vertebrae together with disc issues would be problematic? Doh.
Glad you got your car back. As a lurker in this thread I was curious but didn't want to interrupt the various debates going on here, scintillating as they are.
 
Glad you got your car back. As a lurker in this thread I was curious but didn't want to interrupt the various debates going on here, scintillating as they are.
Thanks.

Looks like Porsche will be doing some things to compensate me for a new car having such a long repair. We’re in discussions.

Gotta say that, while I got this car as a means of getting a build allocation for a different one that I really wanted, I’ve really grown to like the Cayenne way more than I expected.

So I’m pretty glad to have it back.
 
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Thanks.

Looks like Porsche will be doing some things to compensate me for a new car having such a long repair. We’re in discussions.

Gotta say that, while I got this car as a means of getting a build allocation for a different one that I really wanted, I’ve really grown to like the Cayenne way more than I expected.

So I’m pretty glad to have it back.
Fuuny. My FIL had to do the same for a M3. Had to buy a X5 which he ended up enjoying.
 
I don’t know your entire history of posts, but your posts about Musk and Tesla certainly reek of far right rhetoric. I like Tesla and own a large amount of Tesla stock. But I am not going to blindly follow anyone. I try to stay as objective as possible. I definitely don’t get triggered. I am very even keeled.
Please calm down, Karen. Hate to use that but can't people have their own opinions on different things and people without getting smacked with political labels. You know, there was a time not long ago in this country, where there were these people who believed and supported things on both sides of the political aisle. Unfortunately, for some, and particularly one side, it's all or none, and you are a fill in the talking points name because you don't swallow the party agenda hook, line and sinker.

Let's get back to EV talk, please.
 


Thank you, my special one and savior, Elon!!!! 🙃

Its Happening Ron Paul GIF
 
What a disaster. Same reason I noted above for not taking the Lightning to Blacksburg, VA area. We plan to get a cabin/campsite, and charging at/around those places is challenging to say the least.
This is precisely the reason I am skeptical of any EV SUV mass adoption until the charging network improves. All of the people I know with Rivian’s are rich and wouldn’t be caught dead camping. And many people use SUVs for family/travel so having to worry about charging simply isn’t palatable.
 
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Unfortunately, for some, and particularly one side, it's all or none
I can't let that go. Because, far as I can tell, both sides are identical in having way too many all-or-none type extremists.

Behaviorally, at least, both sides are entirely indistinguishable to me. Same dumb crap; different ideologies. It's boring and lame in equal measures.

Okay. Now we can get back to discussing EVs.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Model Y as the best selling vehicle globally by the end of 2023.
Want to have a little wager on that, and do some good at the same time? I'll make a $100. donation to the "Center For Food Action" in Bergen County, separate and apart from my normal contributions, if that's true. Name the 501(c)(3) that gets your donation if it's not.

Deal?
Done.
Be a Dear and Donate a Brassiere

@mdk01
When are you going to make good on our bet?
You've vanished from this thread since your loss.
 
@mdk01
When are you going to make good on our bet?
You've vanished from this thread since your loss.

Since that date I've donated several hundred. I donated in 2023 my usual 5 complete Thanksgiving family dinners and actually did an extra hundred in December. Haven't done the monthlies that I did in the spring of 2020 with no subsidized lunches because the schools were all closed
 
@mdk01
When are you going to make good on our bet?
You've vanished from this thread since your loss.
If I’m reading the numbers correctly, model 3 sales are stagnant or decreased. It’s a great accomplishment for the Y. But 3 of the 4 models Tesla sells have minimal growth or zero growth. That’s not good.
 
If I’m reading the numbers correctly, model 3 sales are stagnant or decreased. It’s a great accomplishment for the Y. But 3 of the 4 models Tesla sells have minimal growth or zero growth. That’s not good.
Delivery #s drop when a company shuts down production lines for retooling for 2 months. New model 3 ring a bell? Model 3 sales will continue to grow in 24, and will surpass 23 deliveries . Model Y sales will be marginally higher as well. Still plenty of untapped markets for Tesla to expand and the 3 & Y are the best EV value propositions on the market.

S & X are irrelevant. In fact, I think the S & X will be discontinued sometime in the next 2 years. New Model 3 Performance will replace Model S. Model X is a production nightmare, and has Tesla's highest warranty claims on a per vehicle basis. Tesla would be better off with a lower cost, full size SUV with less bells and whistles... IMO.
 
Since that date I've donated several hundred. I donated in 2023 my usual 5 complete Thanksgiving family dinners and actually did an extra hundred in December. Haven't done the monthlies that I did in the spring of 2020 with no subsidized lunches because the schools were all closed
@BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap @WhichReligionIsRight

What? No response?
 
Delivery #s drop when a company shuts down production lines for retooling for 2 months. New model 3 ring a bell? Model 3 sales will continue to grow in 24, and will surpass 23 deliveries . Model Y sales will be marginally higher as well. Still plenty of untapped markets for Tesla to expand and the 3 & Y are the best EV value propositions on the market.

S & X are irrelevant. In fact, I think the S & X will be discontinued sometime in the next 2 years. New Model 3 Performance will replace Model S. Model X is a production nightmare, and has Tesla's highest warranty claims on a per vehicle basis. Tesla would be better off with a lower cost, full size SUV with less bells and whistles... IMO.
Think you said that about the S and the numbers never really grew. Model Y is the same car as model 3 but with more space. It will continue to take buyers away from the 3. Tesla should scrap the 3 and lunch a more affordable model 2 in its place.
 
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