OT: Electric vehicles

[mildone]

First time in my life I've ever been called a right winger. QAnon too! Elon obsessed with money?!? He's been working for free for the last 5 years at Tesla. Lol .. you're too much.

Yeah, knowing you, I laughed at the accusation.

However, it should give you pause for thought that someone who has no clue what your politics are would identify you as such. The pause having nothing whatsoever to do with political ideology, which is totally irrelevant here.

Your behavior recently, with respect to Tesla/Musk, has borne striking similarity to the behavior of the extreme adherents of yet another very well known public figure people who is (erroneously, IMO) commonly thought to be associated with the extreme right (when in fact he is, by apparent genetic accident, only ever capable of associating with himself). I think you are probably better than such extreme adherents, capable of self-reflection, self-recognition, and a course correction.

If I didn't think that, I wouldn't bother teasing you about it so much. I'm rarely wrong about these things. 🙂

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

At the moment, Tesla is by far the best EV out there with Rivian a distant second. A little disappointed that Tesla has not made more advances in the auto driving arena especially given the tremendous lead it had a few years ago. Waymo has caught up to Tesla and in some ways surpassed it. Tesla needs to switch the focus back to innovation and advancing technology. It has become too much of a car company.

You were doing well with the first line. Dead wrong on everything else.

Rivian production is too small to make such a proclamation. Everyone in the US is asleep on Chinese EVs. You're going to find out. Ever heard of BYD?

Waymo only operates in geofenced areas, using HD maps, and vehicles are equipped with a variety of expensive sensors + remote operators are on standby. It is not a scalable solution to autonomy. Tesla is working on a generalized solution to autonomy. Apples and oranges.

To suggest Tesla isn't advancing technology and innovation is incredibly ignorant. Study the company, their products, and manufacturing.

 

[Knight Shift]

First time in my life I've ever been called a right winger. QAnon too! Elon obsessed with money?!? He's been working for free for the last 5 years at Tesla. Lol .. you're too much.

That's what "they" do. If you don't subscribe 150% and pledge your allegiance to the MSNBC playbook or the MAGA playbook, you get labeled as being on the other side. Contrary to what my posts may indicate, I am in the middle, mostly Libertarian and absolutely tired and disgusted by what both major parties offer as candidates. Bringing this back to EVs, about the only thing I can currently think of that I like about the current administration is promoting and providing policies that favor EV usage an adoption. Perhaps they have gone too far in some instances, but I have taken full advantage of the incentives offered, and my carbon footprint is smaller than that of an insect.

 

[jtung230]

First time in my life I've ever been called a right winger. QAnon too! Elon obsessed with money?!? He's been working for free for the last 5 years at Tesla. Lol .. you're too much.

LOL….he was working for free after he tried to get pay 55.8 billion dollars. Poor Elon.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

LOL….he was working for free after he tried to get pay 55.8 billion dollars. Poor Elon.

*he was working for free to meet goals that he was laughed at for agreeing to in order to earn $55.8 billion

Fify

ETA-2018- the plan was “laughable” and a “publicity stunt.”

Tesla’s Pay Deal to Keep Elon Musk: All or Nothing

Musk agreed to stay as chief executive for 10 years, with compensation tied to $50 billion leaps in Tesla’s valuation. Otherwise, he makes zero.

www.cnbc.com

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

 

[jtung230]

*he was working for free to meet goals that he was laughed at for agreeing to in order to earn $55.8 billion

Fify

ETA-2018- the plan was “laughable” and a “publicity stunt.”

Tesla’s Pay Deal to Keep Elon Musk: All or Nothing

Musk agreed to stay as chief executive for 10 years, with compensation tied to $50 billion leaps in Tesla’s valuation. Otherwise, he makes zero.

www.cnbc.com

Same year he secured funding to go private?

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Same year he secured funding to go private?

It’s really funny to read and watch what was said back then…
“As executive compensation plans go, Tesla’s is about as friendly to shareholders as they come. Many other companies have installed outsize packages that often come at the expense of shareholders because the executives get paid even when they underperform their peers.”

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

LOL….he was working for free after he tried to get pay 55.8 billion dollars. Poor Elon.

1 corrupt judge just overturned the vote of over 70% of shareholders. I realize this is too much for your small brain to comprehend, but it's not really a laughing matter to see our judicial system becoming weaponized.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

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But, but, but...All the talking heads in media and the legacy CEOs said EV demand was slowing!

Why would they say that? Maybe they're in cahoots? Nah.

 

[RUevolution36]

But, but, but...All the talking heads in media and the legacy CEOs said EV demand was slowing!

Why would they say that? Maybe they're in cahoots? Nah.

You really are all-in on the Musk worship.

 

[jtung230]

1 corrupt judge just overturned the vote of over 70% of shareholders. I realize this is too much for your small brain to comprehend, but it's not really a laughing matter to see our judicial system becoming weaponized.

Free speech at its best. Everyone is corrupt except for your overlord.

ETA the overlord also wanted more control of the company by taking away voting rights of the shareholders. Clearly Elon doesn’t think shareholders can make good decisions

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Free speech at its best. Everyone is corrupt except for your overlord.

ETA the overlord also wanted more control of the company by taking away voting rights of the shareholders. Clearly Elon doesn’t think shareholders can make good decisions

You're embarrassing yourself again. Learn more, post less

 

[jtung230]

You're embarrassing yourself again. Learn more, post less

Super funny coming from you

 

[rurichdog]

Free speech at its best. Everyone is corrupt except for your overlord.

ETA the overlord also wanted more control of the company by taking away voting rights of the shareholders. Clearly Elon doesn’t think shareholders can make good decisions

I'm scratching my head here...what does "ETA" mean in the quoted context?

 

[jtung230]

I'm scratching my head here...what does "ETA" mean in the quoted context?

Edited To Add

 

[RU-05]

Lets move off the elon talk. Its squarely in garbage territory at this point.

 

[jtung230]

Been doing some research on the Kia EV9. Looks like Kia has the ability to use a V2L or V2H adapter. All EVs should be able yo do this. Might have to trade in my Lighting in for a EV9 soon.

 

[RU-05]

Been doing some research on the Kia EV9. Looks like Kia has the ability to use a V2L or V2H adapter. All EVs should be able yo do this. Might have to trade in my Lighting in for a EV9 soon.

Suicide doors I see.

 

[Knight Shift]

Been doing some research on the Kia EV9. Looks like Kia has the ability to use a V2L or V2H adapter. All EVs should be able yo do this. Might have to trade in my Lighting in for a EV9 soon.

You will regret it. You will not be able to do truck things.
And check the build quality closely. Friends have had regular KIAs and they seemed flimsy and cheap.

Do you know the ETA (not edited to ad, Estimated Time Arrival!) on when Lightnings will be able to use the Tesla charging network. We are probably going to drive to Va Tech game, and we might take the Lightning if the Tesla charging network is available to Ford EVs.

 

[jtung230]

You will regret it. You will not be able to do truck things.
And check the build quality closely. Friends have had regular KIAs and they seemed flimsy and cheap.

Do you know the ETA (not edited to ad, Estimated Time Arrival!) on when Lightnings will be able to use the Tesla charging network. We are probably going to drive to Va Tech game, and we might take the Lightning if the Tesla charging network is available to Ford EVs.

I rather get the R1S but it doesn’t have the 240V output option. Again, every EV should have this ability. The Tesla charging network is schedule for 2024. I’m guessing it’s going to be very late in the year.

 

[Knight Shift]

I rather get the R1S but it doesn’t have the 240V output option. Again, every EV should have this ability. The Tesla charging network is schedule for 2024. I’m guessing it’s going to be very late in the year.

They said "spring", which probably means November.

Why is 240V output important to you? I can't think of a reason I need it, but I will be sure to flaunt it when comparing to other EVs.

I would be hesitant on a Rivian. Ford will be around. But then again, is Ford truly committed to EVs, or are they just taking a pause to catch their EV breath? Time will tell, and don't really want to hear belly bellyaching and pissing on legacy EVs some more. IMO, Ford still has the best EV truck on the market. The question is will truck people buy more of them. IDK. Seems like a great truck for suburban Harry Homeowner types.

 

[jtung230]

They said "spring", which probably means November.

Why is 240V output important to you? I can't think of a reason I need it, but I will be sure to flaunt it when comparing to other EVs.

I would be hesitant on a Rivian. Ford will be around. But then again, is Ford truly committed to EVs, or are they just taking a pause to catch their EV breath? Time will tell, and don't really want to hear belly bellyaching and pissing on legacy EVs some more. IMO, Ford still has the best EV truck on the market. The question is will truck people buy more of them. IDK. Seems like a great truck for suburban Harry Homeowner types.

I have my house setup to allow backup power from 240v source. I like the Lighting but not that practical for my situation

 

[Knight Shift]

I have my house setup to allow backup power from 240v source. I like the Lighting but not that practical for my situation

Have you checked trade-in value?

 

[jtung230]

Have you checked trade-in value?

Ford trade in is 38k. Think I can get more from Kia (40k)

ETA probably won’t happen for another 2 years

 

[Knight Shift]

Ford trade in is 38k. Think I can get more from Kia (40k)

ETA probably won’t happen for another 2 years

That's a steep come-down on depreciation. IIRC, my sticker price was around $80K prior to the $7500 tax credit, which, IMO is "off" the purchase price making it $72,500. I supposed one could also look at the sales tax "savings" of nominally $5,000, bu then it seems like not being real about the loss. .

Don't have plans to sell anytime soon. For us, the ride is incredibly comfortable and luxurious. Really like being higher up on the road (when we drive our Volvo S6, feels like a go-cart). The vented/heated seats and heated steering wheel are great. The major dislike is the app/software, but we can live with it. We have plenty of garage space with the charger in the garage and free charging at work, so it makes sense for us. Basically driving for free.

 

[jtung230]

Biden administration to reportedly relax EV rule on tailpipe emissions

U.S. President Joe Biden's administration intends to relax limits on tailpipe emissions that are designed to get Americans to move from gas-powered cars to EVs.

www.cnbc.com

Not surprised. Bad news for EVs

 

[Knight Shift]

Biden administration to reportedly relax EV rule on tailpipe emissions

U.S. President Joe Biden's administration intends to relax limits on tailpipe emissions that are designed to get Americans to move from gas-powered cars to EVs.

www.cnbc.com

Not surprised. Bad news for EVs

Practical move, or election year pandering-probably a mix of both. For those owning EVs, probably a good thing because the charging stations will be less clogged, but will it mean slower build out of charging infrastructure in areas that have little to none?

 

[jtung230]

That's a steep come-down on depreciation. IIRC, my sticker price was around $80K prior to the $7500 tax credit, which, IMO is "off" the purchase price making it $72,500. I supposed one could also look at the sales tax "savings" of nominally $5,000, bu then it seems like not being real about the loss. .

Don't have plans to sell anytime soon. For us, the ride is incredibly comfortable and luxurious. Really like being higher up on the road (when we drive our Volvo S6, feels like a go-cart). The vented/heated seats and heated steering wheel are great. The major dislike is the app/software, but we can live with it. We have plenty of garage space with the charger in the garage and free charging at work, so it makes sense for us. Basically driving for free.

If the savings are real, it’s real. I paid a 2k premium to get my Lighting (72k). Because I wouldn’t qualify for the new EV tax credit. I had to buy it before the rule change to save net 5.5k. I did the math and it was a ICE equivalent purchase of a 55k car.

 

[RU-05]

Practical move, or election year pandering-probably a mix of both. For those owning EVs, probably a good thing because the charging stations will be less clogged, but will it mean slower build out of charging infrastructure in areas that have little to none?

More of a stock thread talk.

But Blink charging reported this qtr's revs were going to come in well above consensus.

The infrastructure build out is responding to charging demands.

 

[Knight Shift]

More of a stock thread talk.

But Blink charging reported this qtr's revs were going to come in well above consensus.

The infrastructure build out is responding to charging demands.

Blink Charging? Say wha? I had to look it up. They are charging network I have never hear about until you mentioned them. I am admittedly naive to the charging networks outside of Tesla and Electrify America because I have not used a charger other than the ones at my office and the one in my garage. I have not needed to think about it, nor do I want to think about it.

But since it is up. Is there a viable route to drive from Belmar NJ to Blacksburg Va and get two reliable non-Tesla charges along a highway without worrying about getting stranded?

EDIT- Just tried routing with ABRP (A Better Route Planner). We will take the Volvo Plug-in Hybrid.

 

[RU-05]

Blink Charging? Say wha? I had to look it up. They are charging network I have never hear about until you mentioned them. I am admittedly naive to the charging networks outside of Tesla and Electrify America because I have not used a charger other than the ones at my office and the one in my garage. I have not needed to think about it, nor do I want to think about it.

But since it is up. Is there a viable route to drive from Belmar NJ to Blacksburg Va and get two reliable non-Tesla charges along a highway without worrying about getting stranded?

EDIT- Just tried routing with ABRP (A Better Route Planner). We will take the Volve Plug-in Hybrid.

Not sure if some of these charging companies are more regional.

 

[ashokan]

Bankrupt America (adding 1,000,000,000 debt every 100 days) setting-up taxpayer funded "green" honeypot for its CCP bosses.

"Beijing could plunder more than $100billion from US taxpayer funding thanks to a 'naïve' plan by Joe Biden to boost the American renewable industry.

Exclusive industry data shows China has already planted its flag on a dozen green energy projects that could benefit from uncapped tax credits.

The scheme, which could cost the US taxpayer $1.2trillion overall, was designed to improve American competitiveness in sectors that China currently dominates, including solar and electric vehicles.

But experts are now warning it could in fact allow Chinese firms to 'extend their global monopoly' and 'dominate' the US market."

Beijing could plunder more than $100bn in US green energy incentives

China has already planted its flag on around a dozen green energy projects that could benefit from US tax credits, including a joint venture with Ford in Marshall, Michigan.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Knight Shift]

Not ready for prime time.

Half of New Jerseyans Oppose Electric Vehicles Mandate, See Environmental and Health Advantages but Economic Drawbacks

www.rutgers.edu

Phasing out gas-powered vehicles in NJ? Most NJ residents vote no, according to a poll

“New Jerseyans are divided on the matter of electric vehicles and the impact they will have,” said an assistant research professor about the polling.

www.app.com

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Not ready for prime time.

Half of New Jerseyans Oppose Electric Vehicles Mandate, See Environmental and Health Advantages but Economic Drawbacks

www.rutgers.edu

Phasing out gas-powered vehicles in NJ? Most NJ residents vote no, according to a poll

“New Jerseyans are divided on the matter of electric vehicles and the impact they will have,” said an assistant research professor about the polling.

www.app.com

Disagree. Context matters
<10% of car sales in the US were EVs in 2023.
~50% in favor of ICE phaseout is bullish for continued EV growth.
2024 will crack 10% IMO

 

[jtung230]

Had to make an emergency trip to Boston today. Decided to take the ICE instead of EV. Probably saved over 2.5 hrs. Love my Lighting for local driving but not for long road trips.

 

[Knight Shift]

Had to make an emergency trip to Boston today. Decided to take the ICE instead of EV. Probably saved over 2.5 hrs. Love my Lighting for local driving but not for long road trips.

Think the drive from NJ to Blacksburg for Va Tech, using ABRP calculated to add another 4-4.5 hours to an 8 hour trip. Hard pass. Will drive the plug in hybrid.

 

[jtung230]

Think the drive from NJ to Blacksburg for Va Tech, using ABRP calculated to add another 4-4.5 hours to an 8 hour trip. Hard pass. Will drive the plug in hybrid.

I don’t mind the charging time but what kills me is that I like to cruise at 80 mph when it’s 65 mph limit. Range at that speed is like 75% of the stated range.

 

[mildone]

I don’t mind the charging time but what kills me is that I like to cruise at 80 mph when it’s 65 mph limit. Range at that speed is like 75% of the stated range.

Is partly why I am not quite ready for an EV SUV. Road trips are a priority for that vehicle. And I like driving fast.

Is also why I think range will continue to be improved and by quite a lot, despite some here saying it won’t happen.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Had to make an emergency trip to Boston today. Decided to take the ICE instead of EV. Probably saved over 2.5 hrs. Love my Lighting for local driving but not for long road trips.

Of course this comment will be misconstrued, because I'm just a cultish fan boy, but I did Massachusetts 2 winters ago from central Jersey. Left home w/ 100% SOC, 1 charging stop on the way up, one on the way back. 20-25 min each.
Not sure where you're getting 2.5 hours from, but which EV you buy and which charging network you use matters a lot. This is important context for those considering an EV.