You should short GM (a la bank on it).
ETA: the electric Hummer is a nice looking EV truck
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ETA: the electric Hummer is a nice looking EV truck
you got me back - I just never short anything. The hummer is a great looking truck - But moving from that to the big volume vehicles is going to be a huge struggle for GM. I just don't think they have the expertise or organizational structure to be nearly nimble enough to make the transformation. In addition I think Mary is a total incompetent.
Nikola, Lordstown....How long until GM announces a partnership with Faraday Future?
It seems strange to me that folks think in this day and age that it’s so hard for a legacy auto manufacturer to pivot. Today’s technology advances alone will help companies like GM and Ford transition. I’m not saying those companies are guaranteed success, but there is too much at stake and failure is not an option. Not to mention it’s not hard to try and copy Tesla’s methods/processes. After all, I’m assuming Tesla already opened the Kimono for China.
wow - you are just not informed as to what is going on. GM is now an outwardly political organization (not a manufacturer) that will only last until their political capitol runs dry. Just watch Mary's speech. Beyond belief.
Tesla suffers worldwide app server outage, owners can't connect to their cars (update: back)
Tesla is currently suffering from a nationwide (update: now worldwide) app server outage -resulting in owners not being able to...
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Get better software testers, you idiots.
Breaking news - GM announces partnership with Edsel technologies. Here is the quote from Mary " Even though Edsel was once part of Ford - Unlike Nikola, my butcher told me they are now making really cool EV's - and they are union. We are all in."
Sounds nuts - but if you watch her recent speeches this is tame.
Sounds nuts - but if you watch her recent speeches this is tame.
Not hard? Really? Tesla open sources all of their patents, so maybe you're onto something. You should think about applying for a job at Ford/GM.
Tesla is heavily vertically integrated. Far more than any legacy auto. There's no catalog to just buy the machines and robots Tesla uses. That catalog doesn't exist. Tesla makes the machines that build the machines. Manufacturing is Tesla's long term advantage. When you outsource everything like legacy auto does, change is extremely difficult and time consuming.
Exceptional engineers don't grow on trees either. The best of the best want to work for Tesla, not GM or Ford.
In response to the Tesla owner, Musk tweeted: "Should be coming back online now. Looks like we may have accidentally increased verbosity of network traffic."Tesla suffers worldwide app server outage, owners can't connect to their cars (update: back)
Tesla is currently suffering from a nationwide (update: now worldwide) app server outage -resulting in owners not being able to...
Get better software testers, you idiots.
He added: "Apologies, we will take measures to ensure this doesn't happen again."
Tesla's software is world class. That's a fact. And their CEO responds to customers directly.
Your mantra: If it's not perfect, it's shit. You must be a joy to be around.
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Do you understand software development at all? Or do you just talk out of your ass because you get butthurt anytime someone says anything remotely non supportive of your hero?
Ford needs to find a way to build these faster.
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Ford's Lightning order numbers don't include fleet buyers, which means it'll be sold out forever
Ford is going hard on electrification, with a solid showing at this year’s LA Auto Show and big reservation numbers...
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But I thought that Tesla was the only company that can make EVs and everyone else should just give up and shut it all down?Ford needs to find a way to build these faster.
Ford's Lightning order numbers don't include fleet buyers, which means it'll be sold out forever
Ford is going hard on electrification, with a solid showing at this year’s LA Auto Show and big reservation numbers...
Dodge Says Charger, Challenger Will Be Gone By 2024, EV Arrives Soon
There are big changes afoot at Dodge, which faces a busy next two years phasing in a new EV, a plug-in hybrid, and an all-new model.
Wouldn't the Charger nameplate make a ton of sense to carry over to the EV era?
I’m not a Musk fan, but this is the kind of crap that sets him apart from the rest. Brilliant hire:
www.cnbc.com
Tesla hires SEC lawyer, former fed prosecutor as managing counsel
David Misler is a former trial attorney for the SEC, the financial regulator that has repeatedly investigated Elon Musk's electrical vehicle company,
I’m not a Musk fan, but this is the kind of crap that sets him apart from the rest. Brilliant hire:
Tesla hires SEC lawyer, former fed prosecutor as managing counsel
David Misler is a former trial attorney for the SEC, the financial regulator that has repeatedly investigated Elon Musk's electrical vehicle company,
It's neither "brilliant" nor does it in any way "set him apart".
Large companies hire former government lawyers all. the. time. It's exceedingly common practice.
Companies hire IRS agents all the time to handle their tax audits. Makes me laugh that people are turning a very ordinary, normal hire into some stroke of brilliance from their infallible leader.
Obviously - my company does the same thing. But I read somewhere that Misler is one of the guys that was on-point for the SEC “funding secured” debacle so, unless that’s not true, Musk basically flipped one of his arch-enemies from the SEC. The timing is interesting based on Musk’s recent tweets. Apparently Musk’s brother sold a boatload of stock right before Musk’s recent Twitter poll. No clue if that’s an issue or other recent tweets are being scrutinized.
Just got an email update on my VW ID4 order. Starts with great news. My order has been officially assigned to model year 2022 with expected delivery in mid 2022. When I ordered in July, it was supposed to be Oct-Nov this year. More good news that the model 2022 MSRP is supposed to increase but they will offer incentives to reflect 2021 pricing.
Cheapest New Electric Cars for 2023: All Electric, All Affordable
As electric vehicles go mainstream, prices continue to drop while range and quality continue to increase.
Not to sound like a snob, but I never thought I’d hear myself say that I’m impressed with the KIA electric vehicle line up.Cheapest New Electric Cars for 2023: All Electric, All Affordable
As electric vehicles go mainstream, prices continue to drop while range and quality continue to increase.www.motortrend.com
Not snobbish at all, IMO. Kia (along with Hyundai and Genesis) have been killing it the past several years or so. Very impressive designs and marketing.
My favorite of the bunch is still the Telluride, appearance-wise. They keep knocking it out of the park in some of their new car designs.
Agree - KIA seems to take the best design elements from more expensive brands and then charges half the price. I’ve driven by the Genesis SUV thinking it was a juiced up Maserati SUV.
One thing I dislike about the Kia’s, and siblings, is the butt ugly wheel designs. Although that’s true of a lot of EVs by all brands.
Interview with Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares. The latest big auto CEO to speak honestly about the transition to EVs. Despite what some in this thread are insistent on, their existing ICE business is an anchor, not an advantage. Whole article linked below. Some highlights:
"What has been decided is to impose on the automotive industry electrification that brings 50% additional costs against a conventional vehicle,"
"There is no way we can transfer 50% of additional costs to the final consumer because most parts of the middle class will not be able to pay."
the costs are "beyond the limits" of what the auto industry can sustain
"Over the next five years we have to digest 10% productivity a year ... in an industry which is used to delivering 2 to 3% productivity" improvement, he said.
"The future will tell us who is going to be able to digest this, and who will fail," Tavares said. "We are putting the industry on the limits."
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...urden-is-beyond-limits-automakers-2021-12-01/
My take.... Boo hoo Stellantis. This is what happens when you drag your feet for more than a decade. Burying your head in the sand and wishing EVs would go away has its consequences.
"What has been decided is to impose on the automotive industry electrification that brings 50% additional costs against a conventional vehicle,"
"There is no way we can transfer 50% of additional costs to the final consumer because most parts of the middle class will not be able to pay."
the costs are "beyond the limits" of what the auto industry can sustain
"Over the next five years we have to digest 10% productivity a year ... in an industry which is used to delivering 2 to 3% productivity" improvement, he said.
"The future will tell us who is going to be able to digest this, and who will fail," Tavares said. "We are putting the industry on the limits."
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...urden-is-beyond-limits-automakers-2021-12-01/
My take.... Boo hoo Stellantis. This is what happens when you drag your feet for more than a decade. Burying your head in the sand and wishing EVs would go away has its consequences.
Another spectacularly uninformed take.
Your boy toy produces vehicles which are unaffordable for 80+% of all car buyers. EVs are more expensive to produce than ICs. To the extent that some manufacturers are producing low-cost (relatively) EVs, they are losing money on them the same as they lose money on low-budget ICs - but those costs are offset by the comparatively large margins built into large SUVs.
In a market dominated entirely by EVs, everyone loses money on low-budget vehicles and the higher cost of producing EVs erodes the margins on higher-priced vehicles. This has the effect of driving down overall margins, which has significant economic impact.
Nobody is "wishing EVs would go away". They're simply warning of the specific financial consequences of an automobile landscape dominated by EVs assuming current production costs. Batteries are expensive. If the overall lifecycle costs of batteries cannot be driven down, then the economic outcomes will not be good.
I still maintain that somebody should be looking at turbine-powered full hybrids. Turbines can be powered by clean, sustainable fuels, are very efficient and ultimately lower cost at volume than reciprocating ICs.
Uh, it is a merger between the Italian-American conglomerate Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and the French PSA Group, hence Big Auto. By pointing out that these big makers are so late to the game with an EV-making attempt....that's supporting evidence of his "feet dragging" point.
Talk about uninformed. You clearly don't know what the EV industry leader has done and what they are currently doing. And I'm not talking about GM.
Governments around the world are trying to force pure EV adoption by setting ban-dates for ICE vehicles. But at this stage, at least, it feels more political than fact-based and truly climate altering (although I think we'll eventually get to a point where EVs can deliver on their cleaner solution promise). So I think those dates will slip.
I also still think growing acceptance of alternative low-carbon-producing automotive energy technologies will occur. Such as turbine-powered hybrids. Solutions that lower carbon output while leveraging existing infrastructure, and don't rely so much on carbon spewing energy production, would be a good interim solution. That or we're going to have to build a bunch of nuclear power plants.
I understand the merger. But 10 years ago, they were 3 different companies, all who have had their own issues, esp as it relates to making sure that they stay in business in the short term. To say that they should have been planning for an explosion in EV's in 2020 when they were close to shutting up shop is clearly a case of should have could have would have thinking.
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Says the automotive energy jihadist.
You have clearly demonstrated that you have no open-minded interest in alternative methods of powering vehicles. There's literally no point in seriously engaging with you on the subject because you're a zealot, rather than an objective observer. You dismiss every mention of the problems that pure EV adoption bring. You embrace only that which you want to hear.
And that's fine, nobody's telling you to be what you aren't. But it also means nobody will take you seriously when discussing or debating this stuff (except similar-minded zealots).
Mini fusion reactors are the future. For autos and for interstellar travel. Take it to the bank!
You could start working on one yourself. 🙂
Extreme DIY: Building a homemade nuclear reactor in NYC
The BBC's Matthew Danzico meets an amateur scientist who has built a homemade nuclear fusion reactor in the heart of Brooklyn, New York.
www.bbc.com
