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OT: Electric vehicles

Says the automotive energy jihadist.

You have clearly demonstrated that you have no open-minded interest in alternative methods of powering vehicles. There's literally no point in seriously engaging with you on the subject because you're a zealot, rather than an objective observer. You dismiss every mention of the problems that pure EV adoption bring. You embrace only that which you want to hear.

And that's fine, nobody's telling you to be what you aren't. But it also means nobody will take you seriously when discussing or debating this stuff (except similar-minded zealots).
I just posted an article discussing the problems that pure EV adoption brings. Legacy auto has big problems. You got your panties is a bunch because you somehow thought having an ICE business is an advantage to EV transition. A statement you've made numerous times. Well, the CEO of a major automotive manufacture just shit on your thesis.
So I'm good. I'm a zealot, you're a long winded bore. Please stop engaging me. Ignore is a wonderful feature.
 
I just posted an article discussing the problems that pure EV adoption brings. Legacy auto has big problems. You got your panties is a bunch because you somehow thought having an ICE business is an advantage to EV transition. A statement you've made numerous times. Well, the CEO of a major automotive manufacture just shit on your thesis.
So I'm good. I'm a zealot, you're a long winded bore. Please stop engaging me. Ignore is a wonderful feature.
My panties are completely unbunched. And pink to support breast cancer research.

It always cracks me up when people tell me I should put them on ignore. What possible reason would I ever have to put you on ignore? Much like devout Trumpers were, you're highly entertaining.

Anyway, I look forward to your continued pouncing on stuff CEOs say as if the saying of such stuff makes it all fact. After all, what possible motive could any CEO ever have to be disingenuous in public speech, hm? 🤣
 
Spare me the "I'm a Tesla insider" bullshit. I guaranfukingtee you I know way more about the auto industry than you do.
lol...Internet tough guy thumping his chest. You win. Congrats on knowing all about a dying industry.
Never claimed to be a Tesla insider. I'm just aware of what's going on. Let me know if you would like any info on how Tesla is continuing to lower the cost of production.
 
I'm just aware of what's going on. Let me know if you would like any info on how Tesla is continuing to lower the cost of production.
But that's just it. You're not aware of what's going on.

You remember the Trumpers who insisted that there's a Massive Deep State conspiracy and that the indictments were coming any day. I'd bet you thought they were zealots and cultists who only believed that which supported their narrative while ignoring and/or dismissing everything else. Right?

Look in the mirror. You sound exactly like them. Musk and Tesla are your Trump.
 
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lol...Internet tough guy thumping his chest. You win. Congrats on knowing all about a dying industry.
Never claimed to be a Tesla insider. I'm just aware of what's going on. Let me know if you would like any info on how Tesla is continuing to lower the cost of production.
so tesla is not part of the auto industry? don't they build cars? or are they classified as something else to you cultists now...
 
lol...Internet tough guy thumping his chest. You win. Congrats on knowing all about a dying industry.
Never claimed to be a Tesla insider. I'm just aware of what's going on. Let me know if you would like any info on how Tesla is continuing to lower the cost of production.

"Dying industry"?

Your mother should have gotten you tested.
 
Is this record a reflection of KIA having a better battery than Tesla? Trying to understand the significance, if any.
Tested vs a 2015 Model S with an 85 kWh pack. They don't make them anymore.

But you can believe Kia has better battery tech than Tesla if you want.
 
"Dying industry"?

Your mother should have gotten you tested.
Yes, dying. Fossil fuels are finite. Transportation has to go sustainable at some point, otherwise civilization collapses. Momentum for the transition has never been higher. New technology is expensive, but costs decline with economics of scale. What am I missing?
 
Yes, dying. Fossil fuels are finite. Transportation has to go sustainable at some point, otherwise civilization collapses. Momentum for the transition has never been higher. New technology is expensive, but costs decline with economics of scale. What am I missing?
Your dignity and any legitimacy in this debate.
 
@mildone

I'm a Porsche fan, and I don't doubt that the Taycan GTS is fun to drive on track. But, despite the review, I still don't think it would be as fun as other Porsche cars with ICEs and gears (manual or PDK). I also still like the Audi e-Tron GT's looks more than the Taycan (not better than the sport turismo Taycan, though, which is lovely, IMO).

I will probably get a chance, over the next couple/few years, to drive one or more Taycans on track, perhaps up in Monticello or perhaps elsewhere. And then I'll find out, for sure, how it compares.
 
Another spectacularly uninformed take.

Your boy toy produces vehicles which are unaffordable for 80+% of all car buyers. EVs are more expensive to produce than ICs. To the extent that some manufacturers are producing low-cost (relatively) EVs, they are losing money on them the same as they lose money on low-budget ICs - but those costs are offset by the comparatively large margins built into large SUVs.

In a market dominated entirely by EVs, everyone loses money on low-budget vehicles and the higher cost of producing EVs erodes the margins on higher-priced vehicles. This has the effect of driving down overall margins, which has significant economic impact.

Nobody is "wishing EVs would go away". They're simply warning of the specific financial consequences of an automobile landscape dominated by EVs assuming current production costs. Batteries are expensive. If the overall lifecycle costs of batteries cannot be driven down, then the economic outcomes will not be good.

I still maintain that somebody should be looking at turbine-powered full hybrids. Turbines can be powered by clean, sustainable fuels, are very efficient and ultimately lower cost at volume than reciprocating ICs.
You may think you know more - but your posts are just not living in reality. Tesla and a handful of other companies (probably mostly from china) are going to totally dominate the industry. I am a climate change denier but I watch facts and trends carefully. ICE cars are done and the companies that are agile "may" survive - the others wont.
 
You may think you know more - but your posts are just not living in reality. Tesla and a handful of other companies (probably mostly from china) are going to totally dominate the industry. I am a climate change denier but I watch facts and trends carefully. ICE cars are done and the companies that are agile "may" survive - the others wont.
"I am a climate change denier" and "I watch facts and trends carefully"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You just invalidated everything you have said in this thread. Hahahahaha!
 
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Ruh roh. That article will ruffle some feathers. 😀

This is all I've been saying, from Day 1.

They're great around town. Go get groceries, stock up on whiskey, go home and plug in the car until tomorrow.

They are NOT good for serious road trippin'. If those are the ranges you get at 80 mph, imagine how far you might go at 100 mph. Maybe a hundred miles? Maybe?
 
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This is all I've been saying, from Day 1.

They're great around town. Go get groceries, stock up on whiskey, go home and plug in the car until tomorrow.

They are NOT good for serious road trippin'. If those are the ranges you get at 80 mph, imagine how far you might go at 100 mph. Maybe a hundred miles? Maybe?
I think this was everyone's point... except for the Tesla jockriders.
 
This is all I've been saying, from Day 1.

They're great around town. Go get groceries, stock up on whiskey, go home and plug in the car until tomorrow.

They are NOT good for serious road trippin'. If those are the ranges you get at 80 mph, imagine how far you might go at 100 mph. Maybe a hundred miles? Maybe?
It’ll get better eventually. Probably.

But yeah, not for me at this time.
 
They're great around town. Go get groceries, stock up on whiskey, go home and plug in the car until tomorrow.
I've owned a Tesla Y 'long range' for 18 months now and charge at home. For local driving absolutely agree with the above and love the convenience. Should also mention that I've had no maintenance or service.

They are NOT good for serious road trippin'. If those are the ranges you get at 80 mph, imagine how far you might go at 100 mph. Maybe a hundred miles? Maybe?
In the last 5 months I have taken the following long distance trips from western North Carolina - Charleston, Cape Cod, Nashville, Austin, Michigan and Cincinnati. Some 8,000 miles of highway driving using AutoPilot and not once did I have range anxiety. I track battery percentage and have found that 10% is good for about 30 miles, so emptying the battery will cover 300 miles highway (60-85mph is my speed range; I personally find 100mph to be exceedingly excessive). Have never driven any distance in very cold weather, and don't intend to do so.

At age 75 I look forward to SuperCharger charging stops (SuperChargers) to stretch my legs, drain my bladder and watch YouTube on the screen. Tesla navigation is conservative when it comes to charging stops (i.e. no less than 20% and no more than 80%) so 60% charge can generally be achieved in 15-20 minutes. If you are travelling by US Interstate highways there is no range anxiety.

Where you will experience range anxiety/awareness is if you like to take long rides in the 'boonies', such as the mountains of North Carolina or most of North Dakota. There are some options but they will will be slower and not nearly as convenient as the SuperChargers.


I posted this solely to give my personal experience. I'm not attempting to refute anything the article may say (did not read it), nor attempting to sell anyone a Tesla.

EDIT: I should mention that I have removed the aero hub caps (for aesthetic reasons), which is allegedly reducing my range by 2-3%.
 
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I've owned a Tesla Y 'long range' for 18 months now and charge at home. For local driving absolutely agree with the above and love the convenience. Should also mention that I've had no maintenance or service.


In the last 5 months I have taken the following long distance trips from western North Carolina - Charleston, Cape Cod, Nashville, Austin, Michigan and Cincinnati. Some 8,000 miles of highway driving using AutoPilot and not once did I have range anxiety. I track battery percentage and have found that 10% is good for about 30 miles, so emptying the battery will cover 300 miles highway (60-85mph is my speed range; I personally find 100mph to be exceedingly excessive). Have never driven any distance in very cold weather, and don't intend to do so.

At age 75 I look forward to SuperCharger charging stops (SuperChargers) to stretch my legs, drain my bladder and watch YouTube on the screen. Tesla navigation is conservative when it comes to charging stops (i.e. no less than 20% and no more than 80%) so 60% charge can generally be achieved in 15-20 minutes. If you are travelling by US Interstate highways there is no range anxiety.

Where you will experience range anxiety/awareness is if you like to take long rides in the 'boonies', such as the mountains of North Carolina or most of North Dakota. There are some options but they will will be slower and not nearly as convenient as the SuperChargers.


I posted this solely to give my personal experience. I'm not attempting to refute anything the article may say (did not read it), nor attempting to sell anyone a Tesla.

EDIT: I should mention that I have removed the aero hub caps (for aesthetic reasons), which is allegedly reducing my range by 2-3%.
We're noticing a theme here. The only people with range anxiety are the non-EV owners. Myself included. It was a concern for me prior to buying my model 3. 2 years later, I don't give it a thought.
 
We're noticing a theme here. The only people with range anxiety are the non-EV owners. Myself included. It was a concern for me prior to buying my model 3. 2 years later, I don't give it a thought.
Isn’t that stating the obvious? None EV owners are saying that’s the reason they are NOT buying.
 
"I am a climate change denier" and "I watch facts and trends carefully"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You just invalidated everything you have said in this thread. Hahahahaha!
Unlike most sheep today - I think for myself. While I do believe the climate is changing I have a different view of the real cause. Just 10000 years ago Southern New York was under a mile of ice - and earlier the Pine Barrens was on the bottom of the ocean. IMO mother nature is in far far more control than we are. But you believe what you want - I wont "invalidate" all your statements simply because I disagree with one of your views.
 
Unlike most sheep today - I think for myself. While I do believe the climate is changing I have a different view of the real cause. Just 10000 years ago Southern New York was under a mile of ice - and earlier the Pine Barrens was on the bottom of the ocean. IMO mother nature is in far far more control than we are. But you believe what you want - I wont "invalidate" all your statements simply because I disagree with one of your views.
CO2 levels have gone vertical in last 100 years. No asteroid impacts, no large scale volcanic eruptions. Unprecedented change in the blink of an eye (geologically speaking).

Taking trillions of tons of carbon out of the earth and putting it into the atmosphere and oceans isn't going to affect the climate? Really?
 
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