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And one day in June as the stars of the Southern Cross blazed in unprecedented intensity a child was born in Pretoria, South Africa. Such intensity that 3 kings of Silicon Valley made a pilgrimage bearing gifts of lithium, other rare earths and solar panels. And his parents said "And he shall be called 'Elon'".
That has the makings of a really good, really funny, SNL skit.

SNL should reach out to Musk to host a show in which they have a skit or two that mocks Tesla fanboys for their over the top fanatical worship and adulation. The nativity scene you described would be a hilarious first skit.

Kind of a "Life of Brian" thing. "He's NOT the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!"

I wonder if he'd agree to do it. If so, it'd be a sign that he's probably a pretty decent guy. Might piss off some of his more devout cultists. But if he's a good guy, he'd want to stomp on that sort of behavior. Because good people don't encourage others to heap worship and adulation on themselves.
 
That has the makings of a really good, really funny, SNL skit.

SNL should reach out to Musk to host a show in which they have a skit or two that mocks Tesla fanboys for their over the top fanatical worship and adulation. The nativity scene you described would be a hilarious first skit.

Kind of a "Life of Brian" thing. "He's NOT the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!"

I wonder if he'd agree to do it. If so, it'd be a sign that he's probably a pretty decent guy. Might piss off some of his more devout cultists. But if he's a good guy, he'd want to stomp on that sort of behavior. Because good people don't encourage others to heap worship and adulation on themselves.
Please. he loves the attention and worship. he loves that he can move the stock market with a simple tweet or coy statement.
 
Please. he loves the attention and worship. he loves that he can move the stock market with a simple tweet or coy statement.
Maybe.

People, who don’t know me well, judge my intentions and character incorrectly all the the time. And looking around, this seems like a very common thing for everyone, both judging and being judged unfairly. Seems like human nature.

So I am hesitant to judge people unless I really know them. In this case, Musk can affect the stock market but there’s no way for me to know that he loves doing it, or loves that he can do it. He might just view doing such things as cold calculating business moves, right?

I have no particular opinion, positive or negative, about Musk. I doubt I’ve given him more than a total of two minutes thought in my life.

I am much more interested in what makes people engage in worship of him (or of a politician or a political party or ideology). That fascinates me because can find no logical explanation for that behavior.

I don’t understand worship of purportedly all-powerful deities, but at least it seems to provide comfort to lots of people. But worshiping another human? Or an automaker or other corporation? What benefit, what positive impact on a person’s life, can that possibly have?

None, that I can see.
 
Mdk, my guess is that they will eventually offer it on any vehicle, but it says in their info.—Mustang , F150 (Lightning comes out in the Spring, Ranger, and more.
 
That has the makings of a really good, really funny, SNL skit.

SNL should reach out to Musk to host a show in which they have a skit or two that mocks Tesla fanboys for their over the top fanatical worship and adulation. The nativity scene you described would be a hilarious first skit.

Kind of a "Life of Brian" thing. "He's NOT the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!"

I wonder if he'd agree to do it. If so, it'd be a sign that he's probably a pretty decent guy. Might piss off some of his more devout cultists. But if he's a good guy, he'd want to stomp on that sort of behavior. Because good people don't encourage others to heap worship and adulation on themselves.

Would they get offended or would they again bow to the infallible Musk genius?

I wouldn't risk it. Musk worship is the only way you get over a million nerds lining up to buy the dumbest, least practical pickup in the history of man or beast. You don't make waves in those moneyed waters.
 
Porsche has some new electric concept that they're showing at the new Munich show next month.

I'd get

I'm the one talking about levels because I know wtf I'm talking about. Tesla prefers to remain vague because it likes to promote that aura of untouchable advancement for which suckers like you continue to fall. But when pressed by actual gov regulators, Tesla goes ahead and quantifies using those very same numbers. We'll, one recurring number, at least: 2.

Meanwhile, fanboy suckers (you) quote Tesla adverts, repeating buzzwords like "fully autonomous" vehicles, without really knowing wtf you're actually talking about. It's right in the Tesla name - Full Self Driving, which means Level 5, take a nap and never touch a steering wheel (if there's one even there) unless you want to impress friends and chicks with your old school driving skills. At minimum, it's Level 4 ...still a far cry from where Tesla's at.

As was already discussed light years ago, Audi canceled its system because of regulatory/legal hurdles unique to Level 3. That doesn't negate the fact that it actually developed it, complete with journo testing, years ago. That alone disproves your silly contention that Tesla has an insurmountable lead in autonomous driving. The fact that Tesla pushes out half-baked beta software and crowd-sources testing doesn't actually mean it's ahead of those that do their testing the right way ...just more public, in true Tesla "look at me ...please!?" style.

Get Musk's pubes out of your eyes and look at the rest of the market. For every Sandy Munro, there are multiple experts who prefer other brands' (actual tested, non-beta production-grade) autonomy tech. Meanwhile their "beta" is in non-public prototype testing, just like tech from suppliers and startups the world over, which the world doesn't read about until they get bought out and rolled into someone else's package, and you personally only read about if it's Tesla doing the buying.

Tesla has no discernable lead, let alone a huge, widening gap. Don't be a rube.
Where's Audi been since their level 3 flop? You'd think that pioneers on the bleeding edge of technology would be putting out the lastest and greatest. Nothing for 2+ years. Did they fire their entire self driving team?

I'll ask again....Name another system that can change lanes, stop for lights and signs, anticipate the actions of other drivers and pedestrians, navigate intersections, detect road texture and speed bumps.

Then we can talk about data. Neural networks need millions and millions of miles of road data to train the AI. Guess who has an insurmountable lead in data? It's not Audi 😂
 
Would they get offended or would they again bow to the infallible Musk genius?

I wouldn't risk it. Musk worship is the only way you get over a million nerds lining up to buy the dumbest, least practical pickup in the history of man or beast. You don't make waves in those moneyed waters.
That pickup design is just a weird idea. All car companies have those screwy design moments in prototypes. But most never see the light of day.

I think a lot of Musk worshipers would do as you say, missing the joke being made at their expense. But some would feel slighted and betrayed by his Muskiness.
 
Where's Audi been since their level 3 flop? You'd think that pioneers on the bleeding edge of technology would be putting out the lastest and greatest. Nothing for 2+ years. Did they fire their entire self driving team?

I'll ask again....Name another system that can change lanes, stop for lights and signs, anticipate the actions of other drivers and pedestrians, navigate intersections, detect road texture and speed bumps.

Then we can talk about data. Neural networks need millions and millions of miles of road data to train the AI. Guess who has an insurmountable lead in data? It's not Audi 😂

You're getting all flustered and mixed up. I never said any one company had any kind of huge lead. YOU did. You were wrong. Own it and move on or keep embarrassing yourself, don't care.

Like the other guy admitted ...it's actually better for you and everyone if multiple companies are competing for top spot. So the real world is actually better than your dream world. 👍👍
 
Maybe.

People, who don’t know me well, judge my intentions and character incorrectly all the the time. And looking around, this seems like a very common thing for everyone, both judging and being judged unfairly. Seems like human nature.

So I am hesitant to judge people unless I really know them. In this case, Musk can affect the stock market but there’s no way for me to know that he loves doing it, or loves that he can do it. He might just view doing such things as cold calculating business moves, right?

I have no particular opinion, positive or negative, about Musk. I doubt I’ve given him more than a total of two minutes thought in my life.

I am much more interested in what makes people engage in worship of him (or of a politician or a political party or ideology). That fascinates me because can find no logical explanation for that behavior.

I don’t understand worship of purportedly all-powerful deities, but at least it seems to provide comfort to lots of people. But worshiping another human? Or an automaker or other corporation? What benefit, what positive impact on a person’s life, can that possibly have?

None, that I can see.
I don't know why I'm responding to this but I will. Please feel free NOT to respond. I have nothing further to say on this.

Elon Musk, Tesla, and SpaceX represent an underdog story. Someone/thing who won going up against the establishment. Both companies had a ridiculously low shot at success. Both companies defied all odds. Both companies are doing things never done before. That success is directly attributed to the leadership and relentless work of Elon Musk. He's not some billionaire playboy. He works more in a week than you and I work in a month. It's not worship. It's inspirational. I'm inspired to do more, do better, work smarter and harder.

SpaceX is the leading the way to make humans a multi-planetary species. This would be the greatest, most important accomplishment in our history. Again, inspiration for a better, exciting future. Something for young people to dream about and possibly take up a career in science/engineering, something we desperately need more of.

Lastly, Tesla/SX/Musk represent an AMERICAN success story. American innovation at its best. Something we could all be proud of. I can't wrap my head around the effort from our own government, media, and people right here in this thread that want to squash that spirit. Seems anti-American to me, or perhaps it's jealousy or the fear of change. Regardless, it's a head scratcher.
 
You're getting all flustered and mixed up. I never said any one company had any kind of huge lead. YOU did. You were wrong. Own it and move on or keep embarrassing yourself, don't care.

Like the other guy admitted ...it's actually better for you and everyone if multiple companies are competing for top spot. So the real world is actually better than your dream world. 👍👍
Name another system that can change lanes, stop for lights and signs, anticipate the actions of other drivers and pedestrians, navigate intersections, detect road texture and speed bumps.

Don't forget data too
 

This is pretty damn cool. I may need to buy a new house with a 3 car garage to do a cool EV restomod. A slammed 68 Camaro with an EV crate motor, modern suspension, and 21st century interior would be a fun project.
 
Another automated driving failure leading to an accident.


Note I am not posting this to attack any particular automaker. I will post all such incidents as they occur and I am made aware of them.

I’ve been quite clear about not liking or wanting any of these automated driver systems. One day, they’ll be good enough. But that day is a long ways off, IMO.

I’d much rather see investments, technological advances, and legislative movement, towards preventing drunk and distracted driving. Those are far more attainable, far simpler problems to solve. Put those in place and a whole lot of accidents will be avoided, a whole lot of lives saved.
 
You're getting all flustered and mixed up. I never said any one company had any kind of huge lead. YOU did. You were wrong. Own it and move on or keep embarrassing yourself, don't care.

Like the other guy admitted ...it's actually better for you and everyone if multiple companies are competing for top spot. So the real world is actually better than your dream world. 👍👍

I am 100% for robust competition. But Tesla is still years ahead on so many levels. I know this thread is clickbait to the anti-EV anti-Telsa folks who can't let an electron go to waste by posting over and over and over and over and over how they don't like EVs and don't like Teslas.
 
Another automated driving failure leading to an accident.


Note I am not posting this to attack any particular automaker. I will post all such incidents as they occur and I am made aware of them.

I’ve been quite clear about not liking or wanting any of these automated driver systems. One day, they’ll be good enough. But that day is a long ways off, IMO.

I’d much rather see investments, technological advances, and legislative movement, towards preventing drunk and distracted driving. Those are far more attainable, far simpler problems to solve. Put those in place and a whole lot of accidents will be avoided, a whole lot of lives saved.

Serving up red herrings by the dozen. Show data that Teslas are less safe than other autos. Wonder why some bozo driving a Ford slamming into the back of cop car doesn't make the news.
 
Serving up red herrings by the dozen. Show data that Teslas are less safe than other autos. Wonder why some bozo driving a Ford slamming into the back of cop car doesn't make the news.
Because everyone knows that there are bad drivers. Tesla is beta testing a self driving system using the public as their unit testers and selling/marketing it as a safety feature when it's not ready for prime time. By doing this, they make the idiot public think that it's safe to use because they conveniently bury the warnings and caveats below the very loud, shouty headline.
 
I am 100% for robust competition. But Tesla is still years ahead on so many levels. I know this thread is clickbait to the anti-EV anti-Telsa folks who can't let an electron go to waste by posting over and over and over and over and over how they don't like EVs and don't like Teslas.

Not sure if you're grouping me into the "anti" crowd, but short memory if so. I've done nothing but defend and praise EV tech in this thread and the one before. And Tesla is definitely ahead on the EV side ...but with Rivian, F-150 Lightning, Lucid and others hot on its trail, I think those days are winding down (finally). I say finally not out of dislike for Tesla but because finally some of the world's largest companies with over a century of experience in carmaking are catching up to an upstart.

Tesla is objectively and demostratably not way ahead on the autonomous side, which is what we've been talking about.
 

This is pretty damn cool. I may need to buy a new house with a 3 car garage to do a cool EV restomod. A slammed 68 Camaro with an EV crate motor, modern suspension, and 21st century interior would be a fun project.

GM has an electric crate motor, too, with LS dimensions. It first showed it on the eCopo Camaro a few years ago at SEMA.

Definitely cool , but I worry about what happens when Joey Garage starts playing around with all that voltage.
 
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GM has an electric crate motor, too, with LS dimensions. It first showed it on the eCopo Camaro a few years ago at SEMA.

Definitely cool , but I worry about what happens when Joey Garage starts playing around with all that voltage.
You mean I shouldn't replace the Flux capacitor myself?
 
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Serving up red herrings by the dozen. Show data that Teslas are less safe than other autos. Wonder why some bozo driving a Ford slamming into the back of cop car doesn't make the news.
Are you going to actually read what people say? Or are you so consumed by your conspiracy theory that your persecution complex forces you into instant defensiveness at the first character of any post not metaphorically prostrating itself at the alter of the object of your worship?

Where did I say "Tesla" is more or less safe than other autos? Tesla is as safe as all the other top ranking NHTSA-tested vehicles (according to NHTSA, an unbiased and independent source). At least when driven by humans. We won't have a valid comparison until driverless tech gets to the point where the car's actually capable of driving in all scenarios, without limits, as humans drive today.

And your last question is ridiculous. Unless it's an extreme outcome, it's not particularly newsworthy when a human operated vehicle crashes. It is newsworthy when software is driving and crashes. Because nobody is marketing human drivers as super reliable and safe. But companies are marketing automated driving systems as such.

We've known all about human drivers for decades now. We're still learning about software drivers. Making it currently newsworthy.
 
GM has an electric crate motor, too, with LS dimensions. It first showed it on the eCopo Camaro a few years ago at SEMA.

Definitely cool , but I worry about what happens when Joey Garage starts playing around with all that voltage.
Agreed. Also who's doing the programming of the ECU for the EV motor?
 
Because everyone knows that there are bad drivers. Tesla is beta testing a self driving system using the public as their unit testers and selling/marketing it as a safety feature when it's not ready for prime time. By doing this, they make the idiot public think that it's safe to use because they conveniently bury the warnings and caveats below the very loud, shouty headline.
In the recent Orlando crash, the driver claims she had autopilot engaged. Data logs will eventually verify. This wouldn't be the first time bad drivers have tried to pin the blame on Tesla for their own errors. Let's see how it plays out. Autopilot is NOT the same as FSD or FSD beta. Not sure if you are aware of that. All have different capabilities.

The patrol cruiser that was struck had its emergency lights on. This isn't me trying to make excuses for Tesla, but this driver is a complete moron. If I'm on the highway with autopilot engaged and I see flashing lights ahead, the first thing I do is disengage the system. I'm sure any semi-intelligent person using any type of driver assist would do the same. Common sense.
 
In the recent Orlando crash, the driver claims she had autopilot engaged. Data logs will eventually verify. This wouldn't be the first time bad drivers have tried to pin the blame on Tesla for their own errors. Let's see how it plays out. Autopilot is NOT the same as FSD or FSD beta. Not sure if you are aware of that. All have different capabilities.

The patrol cruiser that was struck had its emergency lights on. This isn't me trying to make excuses for Tesla, but this driver is a complete moron. If I'm on the highway with autopilot engaged and I see flashing lights ahead, the first thing I do is disengage the system. I'm sure any semi-intelligent person using any type of driver assist would do the same. Common sense.
Forget semi-intelligent. There are a whole lot of barely intelligent people driving. And, lest people think I'm picking on the dumb, there are also plenty of super high IQ people who exhibit very little common sense.

We already know that lots of drivers, of all levels of intelligence, struggle to remain alert and attentive even when doing all the driving gives them a reason to remain alert. Designing a system whereby the car does most of the driving, but that same driver, with the alertness issues, is expected to magically be even better at remaining alert and attentive? Yeah, that's gonna work. The lack of common-sense is baked right into the system design's deeply flawed assumptions about people.

Not to mention that driver skills and instincts, that are honed over years of practice, will atrophy due to lack of practice. So when a driver is called upon to take over, which is likely to be in an unexpected and potentially dangerous situation, the driver will be responding with atrophied capability.

Fully automated driving, once the requisite infrastructure is in place, and the sensors and software have improved enough, can make sense. Partially automated systems are just dumb.
 
There is also the cost of installing a charging station in your home.
This was discussed in the previous EV thread.

A standard 110V outlet which will give you 4-5 mi range/ hr. No cost

A 240V dryer outlet will give you ~30 mi range/hr, but would require an electrician, unless you're handy. It's a very simple job, especially if your panel is in the garage. $400-1000 is the range of prices. It's best to shop around.

Some manufacturers offer their own charger, but the consensus is they're completely unnecessary unless money is no object or you really want to impress your friends/neighbors. Tesla charges $500 for their charger (installation extra) and gets ~44 mi range/hr.
 
This was discussed in the previous EV thread.

A standard 110V outlet which will give you 4-5 mi range/ hr. No cost

A 240V dryer outlet will give you ~30 mi range/hr, but would require an electrician, unless you're handy. It's a very simple job, especially if your panel is in the garage. $400-1000 is the range of prices. It's best to shop around.

Some manufacturers offer their own charger, but the consensus is they're completely unnecessary unless money is no object or you really want to impress your friends/neighbors. Tesla charges $500 for their charger (installation extra) and gets ~44 mi range/hr.

You get electricity for free? Inform a non-electrician, how many watts are used in that 1 hour to get 4-5 miles? And if I use the midpoint on the 240V conversion and $3 per gallon gas it costs 7000 miles of my cars range to make the conversion.
 
This was discussed in the previous EV thread.

A standard 110V outlet which will give you 4-5 mi range/ hr. No cost

A 240V dryer outlet will give you ~30 mi range/hr, but would require an electrician, unless you're handy. It's a very simple job, especially if your panel is in the garage. $400-1000 is the range of prices. It's best to shop around.

Some manufacturers offer their own charger, but the consensus is they're completely unnecessary unless money is no object or you really want to impress your friends/neighbors. Tesla charges $500 for their charger (installation extra) and gets ~44 mi range/hr.

I purchased a Tesla wall charger. Absolutely did not need to get it, but it looks cool and love the green light when it is charging.
 
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