OT: How do you explain the Seminoles right now(LOL?)
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So much wrong in one play, starting with the decision even to go for it on your side of the field when you are only down 8 with almost the entire 2nd half to play. Punt the ball and make BC drive the length of the field!
It captures the dysfunction, bad coaching and bad execution.
Virginia Tech looked similar in at least the first half of their game. We hope that continues through the game with Rutgers.
Pre season and early season rankings mean absolutely nothing.
By week 6 or 7 we get a better understanding of who is who.
GO RU
That sweating was not normal. You could grow a rice paddy on his upper torso.
GO RU
Don't they use some of last years stats for the early season? Only after a handful of games get played, I think the previous year's stats "wear off" so to speak. I don't follow those ratings much but I feel like that's been brought up here before.
Thanks for the free publicity
Page 3 on a thread for a team you don't like
It's guys like you that help build the brand !!
A top 10 brand in college football
A brand that is national
And, more importantly, a brand that by all indications, will be in the B1G in a few years and travel to Piscataway by the thousands
Verse and Fiske were the big losses on D
J Trav, Benson, Bell, Wilson and Coleman on O
Great programs reload
Bobby did it all the time prior to the Lost Decade
But you can't just rely on the portal
Mike's recruiting needs to improve - unfortunately, he's not the closer Bobby and Jimbo were (at least not yet)
Love your contributions but that being said no regular on this board would be starting threads about the ACC or FSU in particular if not for you highlighting FSU’s insistence that they are more important to the ACC than the ACC to FSU.
Many of us are getting a good laugh at FSU’s start and how it affects its current litigation conundrum with the ACC.
I said it from the beginning of FSU discussion on our board, the best they can expect is the B12. The BIG and SEC want no part of FSU’s hooting and hollering as they say down south.
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So you got nothing now! All Power 4 teams are national.
Who is going to have more wins in 2004? Rutgers or FSU?
Nobody's more important than anyone - the only thing I've highlighted is the need to get paid what your worth
And, and in the ACC's case, they've dropped the ball in that regard, and programs who traditionally don't hold their weight are the only ones who are benefitting
The B1G and SEC don't give a shit about the hooting and hollering
That's for message board guys like us to squabble about
They're all about $$
Not feelings, not thoughts, not anything - just straight up, cold hard cash
No, they're not
Purdue, Syracuse, Iowa State and Vandy (4 random schools from 4 different P4 conferences) are not national
The conferences they're in are (at least the B1G and SEC), but not all teams are that way
Even an old simp like you should know better
Rutgers should have more wins
FSU's looked terrible this year - and, with the talent not there like it was the past few years, Miami and ND looking good, DJ likely getting replaced soon, and a Swiss cheese D (not to mention both sets of lines looking horrendous and a running game reminiscent of a middle school team), there's no reason to believe things will turn around
Very well stated. If there is a top tier of teams other fans love to hate, near the top right now are FSU and Colorado, but more because of Prime than the Colorado team or fans. Penn State and Notre Dame are always on the list too.
People regularly dislike teams that are consistently elite or generate publicity
It's the way of the world
Nobody hates Purdue
Mississippi State isn't on anyone's shit list
Neither is Kansas State
Disagree. BIG and SEC doesn’t want to be associated with parties that knowingly sign a legal agreement, then its leaders bitch and complain publicly and then take legal actions against the entity that represent its partners.
No leading conference wants drama that near them let alone not being a member of an academic peer organization (AAU) or being located in a redundant tv market.
As I said, the B12 will have to do for FSU if it wants out but it’ll have to sell its soul to a private equity deal to do so. Is it worth it versus eating some humble pie and working together with it’s current partners to overcome its obstacles?
You have argued that the FSU bitterness is so deep against the ACC that’s it’s a matter of when and not if.
Hopefully FSU won’t cut its nose to spite its face.
GO RU
Consistently elite and generate publicity are mutually exclusive.
FSU and Colorado are not consistently elite, but generate a lot of negative publicity.
Notre Dame is a top tier team, at least in the rankings.
Penn State is both actually.
First and 10: How FSU became FIU, Travis Hunter's NFL future and a Big Red moment
Florida State more resembles Florida International than the big programs that it aspires to be after a disappointing 0-2 start.
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You're looking at it from a fan's point of view
The conferences are looking at like as If the agreement was signed under the guise that the conference you're apart of is supposed to be doing X for their schools, then by not doing X, they've caused that school harm, and moreover, went behind member's backs and illegally did things that will get brought out if things get to discovery (extending contracts without schools knowing / voting, Swofford giving his son the Raycom deal, etc.), then the school has every right to stand up for themselves and leave
There's been exactly zero drama with FSU and the ACC prior to the gap getting too large due to the ACC's negliance
It's been 30 years of winning, making the league money and playing by the rules
If this was a documented issue (like Texas), it still wouldn't matter
SEC knew about their drama and still took them
Everyone of those teams and all other P4 are now shown nationwide. The days of only a few teams getting national coverage is over.
And your top brand status is over. And never been a top 10
They could be shown on the moon and they're still not national teams, or brands
LOL on the top brand status being over - we play national games at the beginning of the last ~6 seasons, neutral site, usually the only game on that day, and have insane viewership
Name me 10 brands bigger than FSU?
Ohio St.
Michigan
Penn St.
Notre Dame (always overrated in the preseason but a bigger brand)
Georgia
Alabama
Miami (shouldn't be)
Texas
Texas A&M
USC
Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Penn State, Nebraska, Miami.....
IDK, just looking at FSU's historical W-L, they were killing it up until 2000, but then hit a rough patch until y'all hired Jimbo, and have been in a rough patch for the last 8 years. Very spotty performance.
Ohio State seems to consistently be in the conversation.
Notre Dame, like it or not, is a national brand.
Michigan is a national brand.
FSU seems more regional, IMO.
I'd put FSU at 9th or 10th
A & M definitely isn't a bigger brand
Oklahoma definitely has the history and recent success
You could argue for Miami, b/c when they're hot, they're hot
LSU is also up there
On no planet is Clemson a bigger brand
Same with Nebraska
LSU is at best is a push
Miami is debatable - when they're on, they're on
87-99 (Dynasty years) were insane
late 70's - mid 80's was also nuts
Lost Decade 2000-2009 was not elite
Couple years with Jimbo were
And last year with Mike
Over past 45 years, I'd give em ~20 elite
That's pretty good
OSU def. elite
Same w/ND
And Michigan
FSU def more national - hell, UF is more popular in FL (UF way more regional, FSU and Miami not national)
Noles more of a national brand - playing on tv all those times w/the iconic uni's, Osceola & Renegade, and the dudes they had made them a national brand
FSU fans have their strong opinions, that is for sure.
IMO, Florida is much more a national brand, and known as a much better academic school.
It's in our DNA
UF simply is not a national brand - academic wise, they are superior
Brand wise, they're much more regional
A&M actually is. West of the Mississippi they definitely are, and by a wider margin than FSU has east of the Mississippi.
In Texas, yes
You're going to tell me they are in California?
East of the Mississippi, no dice
They're big, no doubt
And, if they ever put things together and go on a run, I can see them jumping into the Top 10
Right now though, negative
Bullcrap. Just because your an FSU fan and crying that it's a top 10 brand doesn't make it so. Hell FSU didn't become a known program until the 90s after many others had been winning long before that. Nebraska not a brand?? Just shows how little you know about college football.
Bus off the meds again
Never said Nebraska wasn't a strong brand - unfortunately, Mike Rozier, Tommy Frazier and Tom Osbourne aren't coming through the door again, and nobody with half a brain would put them above FSU right now
Clemson is big, but not as big as FSU
That's not debatable
Neither is LSU
Miami - like I said, when they're hot, they're legit
I'll give you Oklahoma due to their history and recent success
FSU got big in the 80's and took off in the 90's
Like it or not, they're brand power stretches far and wide
Delusional. You don't know what a national brand is.
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Clemson’s on-field dominance has been paying off—the No. 1 team in the country now generates nearly $80 million per year in revenue, ranking the Tigers among the sport’s most valuable teams for the first time.
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College football's 25 biggest brands, ranked
The most recognizable programs in college football, according to high school recruits.
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And this was already posted on here this year. Don't remember your crying like a baby back then!
Biggest Brands in College Football (Per College Football Report)
Biggest Brands in College Football (Per College Football Report) -
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I don't think many people in the Western U.S. care about SEC football, especially not FSU. They don't care about ACC football either. Not sure that changes with the ACC even with Cal and Stanford joining them. Notre Dame and B1G names get more traction in conversations.
