OT: How do you explain the Seminoles right now(LOL?)

[Knight Shift]

I don't think many people in the Western U.S. care about SEC football, especially not FSU. They don't care about ACC football either. Not sure that changes with the ACC even with Cal and Stanford joining them. Notre Dame and B1G names get more traction in conversations.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out for Cal and Stanford. Both schools have a fair number of fans on the East Coast. I follow Cal because a friend is an alum. They struggled a bit against Cal Davis in the first half but pulled away. Hoping Cal can make some noise in the ACC, and really hoping they thump Syracuse. You have Cal ties-kids?

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Delusional. You don't know what a national brand is.

College Football’s Most Valuable Teams: Reigning Champion Clemson Tigers Claw Into Top 25

Clemson’s on-field dominance has been paying off—the No. 1 team in the country now generates nearly $80 million per year in revenue, ranking the Tigers among the sport’s most valuable teams for the first time.

www.forbes.com

College football's 25 biggest brands, ranked

The most recognizable programs in college football, according to high school recruits.

www.google.com

And this was already posted on here this year. Don't remember your crying like a baby back then!

Biggest Brands in College Football (Per College Football Report)

Biggest Brands in College Football (Per College Football Report) -

www.secrant.com

You’re embarrassing yourself - again
I’ve seen both of these lists, and they are laughable at best

First off, biggest and most valuable are two completely separate things

In no universe is A&M bigger than Texas
Literally, you should apologize to the board for wasting everybody’s time with that noise

Conversely, Ole Miss is not bigger than FSU
Not on anybody’s list, not ever, not in a million years

Follow some college football please, get your head out of your ass and venture outside of Piscataway and you’ll quickly realize how stupid you sound and uneducated you’ve proven to be

 

[thegock]

This is the best cat fight ever between Bus and Dog. Usually I find these mano a mano deals boring, but I have a soft spot for FSU, Bobby Bowden, Spanish Moss and Live Oak.

FSU is on the cusp of the 10th or 11th national brand, whose prime time is somewhat in the rearview mirror. Not like Siberiacuse, which is barely visible, but not PSU, Michigan, OSU, USC or Oregon, either.

Best of luck with the contract, @JayDogSmooth

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Delusional. You don't know what a national brand is.

College Football’s Most Valuable Teams: Reigning Champion Clemson Tigers Claw Into Top 25

Clemson’s on-field dominance has been paying off—the No. 1 team in the country now generates nearly $80 million per year in revenue, ranking the Tigers among the sport’s most valuable teams for the first time.

www.forbes.com

College football's 25 biggest brands, ranked

The most recognizable programs in college football, according to high school recruits.

www.google.com

And this was already posted on here this year. Don't remember your crying like a baby back then!

Biggest Brands in College Football (Per College Football Report)

Biggest Brands in College Football (Per College Football Report) -

www.secrant.com

Regarding the last list, Georgia below Nebraska? Oregon above Georgia?

Your beloved Texas A&M Maggie’s not even in the top 15? According to that other list, they were number 1 !!!

Please, for the love of God, venture outside of the state and actually attend other games and talk to other fans - I cannot believe I’ve lost brain cells wasting my time reading this nonsense from you

 

[JayDogSmooth]

This is the best cat fight ever between Bus and Dog. Usually I find these mano a mano deals boring, but I have a soft spot for FSU, Bobby Bownden, Spanish Moss and Live Oak.

FSU is on the cusp of the 10th or 11th national brand, whose prime time is somewhat in the rearview mirror. Not like Siberiacuse, which is barely visible, but not PSU, Michigan, OSU, USC or Oregon, either.

Best of luck with the contract, @JayDogSmooth

A thought out and rational response, one which I cannot argue with

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

They could be shown on the moon and they're still not national teams, or brands

LOL on the top brand status being over - we play national games at the beginning of the last ~6 seasons, neutral site, usually the only game on that day, and have insane viewership

Name me 10 brands bigger than FSU?

Note Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, Nebraska.

 

[rucoe89]

Will be interesting to see how it plays out for Cal and Stanford. Both schools have a fair number of fans on the East Coast. I follow Cal because a friend is an alum. They struggled a bit against Cal Davis in the first half but pulled away. Hoping Cal can make some noise in the ACC, and really hoping they thump Syracuse. You have Cal ties-kids?

Yeah, Cal started slow against UC Davis but finished well. They do have talent. I have one that graduated from Cal and another at another UC that lacks a football program so we follow Cal.

I still have hopes for Cal and Stanford to join the Big Ten. I think, however, the best chance for that to happen is if ND finally decides to partner up with the Big Ten and as a condition asks for Stanford. Stanford, in turn, would also push for Cal as the two have strong working relationships in athletics and academics. Who knows if that happens, but that is the hope. Ideally I would like to see the Big Ten in 2030 decide to move to 24 teams by adding ND, Cal, Stanford, and three of UNC, UVa, Miami and GaTech. Locks up East Coast, Midwest, West Coast and at least NE through NC. Again, I don't see much traction in the Southeast due to SEC dominance.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Note Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, Nebraska.

please tell me you’re joking
The last 5 plus Florida aren’t even in the conversation

I nearly spit out my water reading Wisconsin

 

[rurichdog]

People regularly dislike teams that are consistently elite or generate publicity
It's the way of the world

Nobody hates Purdue
Mississippi State isn't on anyone's shit list
Neither is Kansas State

Keep digging, SeminoleAl. You'll come out the other side eventually. Your brand management chops are top notch. You keep swagging, FSU keeps losing, we'll keep laughing.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Keep digging, SeminoleAl. You'll come out the other side eventually. Your brand management chops are top notch. You keep swagging, FSU keeps losing, we'll keep laughing.

Laugh away, man, I would get it in now while you can

Last year was fun
3 natties and six title game appearances in the last 30 years have been good

Second All-time winningest coach and Those 3 Heisman’s Didn’t hurt either

But hey, you do you

 

[thegock]

Didn’t listen to the pod yet but obviously money well spent lol. No wonder everyone is beefing up their personnel depts with GMs and the like but pro teams spend more and have more at stake and still miss.

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@JayDogSmooth u should check this out: good first 10 minutes on the semenholes (jk) I will always love Tallahassee.

 

[RU-05]

Agree strongly with bolded part. Switching teams before playoffs sounds crazy, but it's a smaller leap than some the stuff that has started in NCAA sports over the last few years.

I would never have imagined players working hard with their teammates all season but then ditching the team for the bowl game, but now we expect it. And maybe I'd do it too in the current landscape..

Should be noted this has mostly been a draft phenomenon, not because of NIL.

 

[WhiteBus]

Should be noted this has mostly been a draft phenomenon, not because of NIL.

Except for Miami last year.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

@JayDogSmooth u should check this out: good first 10 minutes on the semenholes (jk) I will always love Tallahassee.

The D line has been atroucious
Peyton and MJJ have been major disappointments thus far

 

[RU Cheese]

You’re embarrassing yourself - again
I’ve seen both of these lists, and they are laughable at best

First off, biggest and most valuable are two completely separate things

In no universe is A&M bigger than Texas
Literally, you should apologize to the board for wasting everybody’s time with that noise

Conversely, Ole Miss is not bigger than FSU
Not on anybody’s list, not ever, not in a million years

Follow some college football please, get your head out of your ass and venture outside of Piscataway and you’ll quickly realize how stupid you sound and uneducated you’ve proven to be

You're defending FSU's brand by citing the 70s and 90s??? Brand perception changes.

They're the Kodak or Blockbuster of college football.

 

[superfan01]

You're defending FSU's brand by citing the 70s and 90s??? Brand perception changes.

They're the Kodak or Blockbuster of college football.

Agree but would say FSU is more like the Michael Kay of college football, though instead of being numbah 2 they are more like numbah 20.

 

[superfan01]

Remember when FSU put out the Seminole rap in '88 and then proceeded to get smacked by Miami 31-0 opening game. Program is cocky and embarrassing like @jaydogsmooth1

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

You're defending FSU's brand by citing the 70s and 90s??? Brand perception changes.

They're the Kodak or Blockbuster of college football.

I asked KN to give his years of them not being elite
I cited a 40 year span, along with years in the 2000's, including the natty in 2013, 29 game unbeaten streak from, playoff appearance in 14, etc.

Total was ~20 years, or half the time
Pretty impressive

You watch last year? Undefeated, hosed out of playoffs
You want Kodak? That's Nebby. Nitts. Tennessee. Etc.

Noles... nah kid.
Do some research

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Agree but would say FSU is more like the Michael Kay of college football, though instead of being numbah 2 they are more like numbah 20.

You and Bus secretly root for them
Unlike Bus, who can't bothered to attend games, will you be attending the inaugural FSU B10 bash in PWay?

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Remember when FSU put out the Seminole rap in '88 and then proceeded to get smacked by Miami 31-0 opening game. Program is cocky and embarrassing like @jaydogsmooth1

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Yes, that was memorable for all the wrong reasons
Miami has cost us 3 natties
Hence the monkier FMFFM

 

[dconifer]

Should be noted this has mostly been a draft phenomenon, not because of NIL.

Yes, you are largely right. I guess the post I responded to was referring to players who opt out of bowl games because that's when the portal for transferring opens up (after season, prior to bowls)...

 

[superfan01]

You and Bus secretly root for them
Unlike Bus, who can't bothered to attend games, will you be attending the inaugural FSU B10 bash in PWay?

What's your connection to FSU and RU?

Did you go to either school?

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

What's your connection to FSU and RU?

Did you go to either school?

Both
You in for tailgate?

 

[Shelby65]

Note Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, Nebraska.

This is a 'what have you done for me lately?' question.

Shelby doesn't put Nebraska, Wisconsin, Auburn or even Florida over Free Shoes U in national appeal. Big 8 Nebraska maybe. Not anymore. Nebraska = Iowa and PSU probably also even. Oregon a bigger brand now however.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

This is a 'what have you done for me lately?' question.

Shelby doesn't put Nebraska, Wisconsin, Auburn or even Florida over Free Shoes U in national appeal. Big 8 Nebraska maybe. Not anymore. Nebraska = Iowa and PSU probably also even. Oregon a bigger brand now however.

Overall fair assesment, sans Sconnie
Not sure why anyone is putting them anywhere near the top 10

Out of that list, I'd put Go Gata, Nebby, Auburn then Sconnie in order
Oregon / Noles about even
Nitts as well - before scandal, way bigger

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

I understand FSU's quest to join the BIG. The issue I have is that I don't want a member who potentially want suggest that the conference to have unequal revenue sharing based on viewership or performance. In the long history of the Big 10, there was never a call by Michigan or Ohio State to demand more money than schools like Indiana or Northwestern. A conference should be an alliance where members support each other. Football is important, but academics and the overall greater good of the member schools should be prioritized above all else.

What is disconcerting about FSU's behavior is that it wasn't just the athletic people who were belly aching and dissing the ACC - it was the university president and the Board as well. That breaks traditional protocol in higher education. There are processes and decorum that should be followed by university leadership. I hope that FSU ends up in a good place, but their handling of their current situation may dissuade other universities from wanting them as conference members.

I think that FSU needs to do two things:
1. Fix the football problem. Figure out what's going on with this year's team.
2. Drop the ACC lawsuit and work as a supportive member for the next five years. There is an easier path to make the playoff if they stay in the ACC, and they can try to leave once again after they get their AAU accreditation.

 

[rucoe89]

please tell me you’re joking
The last 5 plus Florida aren’t even in the conversation

I nearly spit out my water reading Wisconsin

His list is reasonable if you talk nationally. If we hear of FSU on West Coast we are thinking Fresno State. Just reality out here. Not doubting they have a strong Southeastern and Southern brand, but just not seeing it Nationally.

 

[rucoe89]

This is a 'what have you done for me lately?' question.

Shelby doesn't put Nebraska, Wisconsin, Auburn or even Florida over Free Shoes U in national appeal. Big 8 Nebraska maybe. Not anymore. Nebraska = Iowa and PSU probably also even. Oregon a bigger brand now however.

Penn State still has brand and following (as much as I hate to admit that). Wisconsin is not as strong, but does carry more than Iowa or Auburn. U Florida is up there but Nebraska no longer as much.

 

[WhiteBus]

Regarding the last list, Georgia below Nebraska? Oregon above Georgia?

Your beloved Texas A&M Maggie’s not even in the top 15? According to that other list, they were number 1 !!!

Please, for the love of God, venture outside of the state and actually attend other games and talk to other fans - I cannot believe I’ve lost brain cells wasting my time reading this nonsense from you

Who do you think you are responding to? My beloved "Texas A&M" ??? You have completely lost it and don't remember who posted what! I guess you're still drinking, as you said to relieve the pain of FSU disaster this season. When have I ever even brought up Texas A&M, in any thread? And let's just stick to the fact that no poll or valuation does not have FSU in any top ten! You are so drunk you didn't read that each of these used different valuation. Income of athletes, Forbes valuation of the brand and recognition by high athletes. FSU isn't a top 10 brand. Funny you fight this fight with zero facts and while you're team is 0-2 in 2 upset loss! As someone above stated you are FSUAl.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I understand FSU's quest to join the BIG. The issue I have is that I don't want a member who potentially want suggest that the conference to have unequal revenue sharing based on viewership or performance. In the long history of the Big 10, there was never a call by Michigan or Ohio State to demand more money than schools like Indiana or Northwestern. A conference should be an alliance where members support each other. Football is important, but academics and the overall greater good of the member schools should be prioritized above all else.

What is disconcerting about FSU's behavior is that it wasn't just the athletic people who were belly aching and dissing the ACC - it was the university president and the Board as well. That breaks traditional protocol in higher education. There are processes and decorum that should be followed by university leadership. I hope that FSU ends up in a good place, but their handling of their current situation may dissuade other universities from wanting them as conference members.

I think that FSU needs to do two things:
1. Fix the football problem. Figure out what's going on with this year's team.
2. Drop the ACC lawsuit and work as a supportive member for the next five years. There is an easier path to make the playoff if they stay in the ACC, and they can try to leave once again after they get their AAU accreditation.

We want fair money that will allow us to compete
Falling 50 mil/year will not permit that, as other sports besides football will suffer

We've tried doing it behind closed doors w/the ACC for years
It got us nowhere, but further behind the 8 ball

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

His list is reasonable if you talk nationally. If we hear of FSU on West Coast we are thinking Fresno State. Just reality out here. Not doubting they have a strong Southeastern and Southern brand, but just not seeing it Nationally.

The list was fine until it got to the final 5 - way off on those schools

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Who do you think you are responding to? My beloved "Texas A&M" ??? You have completely lost it and don't remember who posted what! I guess you're still drinking, as you said to relieve the pain of FSU disaster this season. When have I ever even brought up Texas A&M, in any thread? And let's just stick to the fact that no poll or valuation does not have FSU in any top ten! You are so drunk you didn't read that each of these used different valuation. Income of athletes, Forbes valuation of the brand and recognition by high athletes. FSU isn't a top 10 brand. Funny you fight this fight with zero facts and while you're team is 0-2 in 2 upset loss! As someone above stated you are FSUAl.

Beloved term was a joke, just like your brand lists were.
I'm well aware that Aggie = WPN / Brisket Guy, not someone who's never left Piscataway to see any other teams

Seriously Bus, think about this for 5 seconds
Do you really think A & M is a bigger brand than Texas?

Honestly, tell me you don't really think that
For your own mental health, I hope you were joking

 

[rutgersguy1]

Didn’t listen to the pod yet but obviously money well spent lol. No wonder everyone is beefing up their personnel depts with GMs and the like but pro teams spend more and have more at stake and still miss.

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Just to add to this, The Athleitc also reported the total budget is believed to be about 12 million for FSU.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Just to add to this, The Athleitc also reported the total budget is believed to be about 12 million for FSU.

Between new acquisitions and retention, that sounds about right
Oregon and Ohio State are believed to be in the 30 million range

 

[WhiteBus]

Beloved term was a joke, just like your brand lists were.
I'm well aware that Aggie = WPN / Brisket Guy, not someone who's never left Piscataway to see any other teams

Seriously Bus, think about this for 5 seconds
Do you really think A & M is a bigger brand than Texas?

Honestly, tell me you don't really think that
For your own mental health, I hope you were joking

You still don't understand! Each of the top brands categories I posted are different! The one of income generated by the Athletic Department is 100% accurate. It comes from each college. Obviously you are too stupid to understand the difference of the 3 brands categories.
You have yet to provide any facts proving your bizarre claim that FSU is a Top 10 brand.
You simply ignored the difference rankings because you don't like that FSU in the top 10 of any off them. And can't find a reputable source to backup your claim. Just crying and denying!

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

You still don't understand! Each of the top brands categories I posted are different! The one of income generated by the Athletic Department is 100% accurate. It comes from each college. Obviously you are too stupid to understand the difference of the 3 brands categories.
You have yet to provide any facts proving your bizarre claim that FSU is a Top 10 brand.
You simply ignored the difference rankings because you don't like that FSU in the top 10 of any off them. And can't find a reputable source to backup your claim. Just crying and denying!

Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, when talking about brand power, if they had any self-respect or the least bit of knowledge of the sport, would put A & M above Texas, or Ole Miss above FSU.

Honestly, do you watch football?
I'm dead serious - do you legitimately watch anything other than Rutgers when it comes to college football?

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

We want fair money that will allow us to compete
Falling 50 mil/year will not permit that, as other sports besides football will suffer

We've tried doing it behind closed doors w/the ACC for years
It got us nowhere, but further behind the 8 ball

I think that FSU has enough of a recruiting advantage, even without boatloads of money, to be successful. They have sold out stadiums and a reputation for winning, so that will recruit kids. Look at how many other programs seems to have unlimited resources (Notre Dame) and still cannot get to the championship game, yet other programs with lesser resources are successful. I’m not saying that money is overrated, but it’s not everything and doesn’t guarantee success. Plus, getting into the BIG would mean playing a BIG schedule, so the pathway to a championship maybe easier in the ACC.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I think that FSU has enough of a recruiting advantage, even without boatloads of money, to be successful. They have sold out stadiums and a reputation for winning, so that will recruit kids. Look at how many other programs seems to have unlimited resources (Notre Dame) and still cannot get to the championship game, yet other programs with lesser resources are successful. I’m not saying that money is overrated, but it’s not everything and doesn’t guarantee success. Plus, getting into the BIG would mean playing a BIG schedule, so the pathway to a championship maybe easier in the ACC.

The issue would be that the other sports would suffer
Baseball, softball, women's soccer, basketball (M / W), etc.

In order to remain competitive, you'd have to literally throw all of your money into FB
Other sports would take a massive hit

 

[rutgersguy1]

Between new acquisitions and retention, that sounds about right
Oregon and Ohio State are believed to be in the 30 million range

I’ve seen OSU mentioned around 20 million. Dont know about Oregon

From the article:

Day's vision became a reality. Buoyed by a name, image and likeness war chest this year of $20 million,

How Ohio State built a $20 million, 'national championship or bust' roster

After watching rival Michigan win a national championship, the Buckeyes went all-in this offseason, ratcheting up the pressure on Ryan Day.

www.espn.com

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I’ve seen OSU mentioned around 20 million. Dont know about Oregon

From the article:

Day's vision became a reality. Buoyed by a name, image and likeness war chest this year of $20 million,

How Ohio State built a $20 million, 'national championship or bust' roster

After watching rival Michigan win a national championship, the Buckeyes went all-in this offseason, ratcheting up the pressure on Ryan Day.

www.espn.com

Gotcha, I thought I read somewhere they were ~32-34 million this year