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OT: How do you explain the Seminoles right now(LOL?)

Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, when talking about brand power, if they had any self-respect or the least bit of knowledge of the sport, would put A & M above Texas, or Ole Miss above FSU.

Honestly, do you watch football?
I'm dead serious - do you legitimately watch anything other than Rutgers when it comes to college football?
Put up or shut up. Show me a data based ranking of FSU in the Top Ten College Brands. I'm tired of your bullcrap opinions. And I don't want a ranking based on someone else's opinion.
Do I watch college football? 😂😂😂 Again you don't know anything about me. Trying to explain your Texas A&M gaffe as a joke was hilarious but a complete failure as you also posted it elsewhere in this thread.
I've been to more college stadiums then you been to games! Some FSU fan, couldn't even go Ireland. Fraud!
 
Put up or shut up. Show me a data based ranking of FSU in the Top Ten College Brands. I'm tired of your bullcrap opinions. And I don't want a ranking based on someone else's opinion.
Do I watch college football? 😂😂😂 Again you don't know anything about me. Trying to explain your Texas A&M gaffe as a joke was hilarious but a complete failure as you also posted it elsewhere in this thread.
I've been to more college stadiums then you been to games! Some FSU fan, couldn't even go Ireland. Fraud!
Show me the date of where it says they aren’t

Hence, this is a subjective ranking because there is no truly accurate list

Valuation of teams does not equate to brand
Furthermore, any list that has Ole Miss above FSU is laughable Best

The one that you produced with the Teams is so comical it’s not even worth a retort, and I still can’t believe I read that potentially lost brain cells with that drivel

Of course I know you’re not an A&M fan, hell you don’t even go to Rutgers games anymore

No, I did not go to Ireland, as I’ve been there before and my wife and daughter had no desire to go

But yes, I went to Boston College. I’ll be at Clemson, Duke, Miami, and the gator game.

Also Virginia Tech versus Vanderbilt on Saturday, and the Rutgers versus Howard game on Thursday, and This year I’ll probably go to 12 games total, not including bowl games, etc..

Meanwhile, you couldn’t get your lazy ass over to the Bronx for our first bowl game in over a decade

How many times are you going to come on here and embarrass yourself, with rants before 5 AM directed at a guy that you claimed not to like for a team you reportedly can’t stand

There are times I feel bad for you. Jay dog actually has a big heart and loves to help others. Unfortunately, I think you’re well past that point.
 
Yes, you are largely right. I guess the post I responded to was referring to players who opt out of bowl games because that's when the portal for transferring opens up (after season, prior to bowls)...
OT question for you. Driving to Ocean Resort in AC Friday. Any downside to taking Exit 40 and Route 30, which seems a bit more direct than the AC Expressway? Never went through Absecon, and I had slogging through the streets a block or two west of the boardwalk.
 
OT question for you. Driving to Ocean Resort in AC Friday. Any downside to taking Exit 40 and Route 30, which seems a bit more direct than the AC Expressway? Never went through Absecon, and I had slogging through the streets a block or two west of the boardwalk.
Route 30 is mostly two lane black top at that point, with more strip mall style architecture as you get closer to Atlantic City. Even with that, you'll feel like you're still in the Pine Barrens until the last minute. I doubt you'll see any traffic issues except for a few too many traffic lights. I often go that way when coming from the north, because, believe it or not, there are some great long-distance views of the city once you hit the Home Depot. And since you're going to Ocean, you'll be practically there after you cross the drawbridge.

Since I live in the south end I usually peel off onto MLK Boulevard, but it seems like staying on Route 30 would practically get you to the front door of Ocean.

Saturday morning there's some type of Suicide Prevention March starting at Hard Rock and heading to the north end of the Boardwalk, so I guess you'll see that when they pass by Ocean.

Have a great time! I might have come up to snoop around and find you, except I have to go down to Maryland to help my friend with some stuff he needs to take care of.

ETA: the part about "finding you" was creepy, sorry about that...
 
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Route 30 is mostly two lane black top at that point, with more strip mall style architecture as you get closer to Atlantic City. Even with that, you'll feel like you're still in the Pine Barrens until the last minute. I doubt you'll see any traffic issues except for a few too many traffic lights. I often go that way when coming from the north, because, believe it or not, there are some great long-distance views of the city once you hit the Home Depot. And since you're going to Ocean, you'll be practically there after you cross the drawbridge.

Since I live in the south end I usually peel off onto MLK Boulevard, but it seems like staying on Route 30 would practically get you to the front door of Ocean.

Saturday morning there's some type of Suicide Prevention March starting at Hard Rock and heading to the north end of the Boardwalk, so I guess you'll see that when they pass by Ocean.

Have a great time! I might have come up to snoop around and find you, except I have to go down to Maryland to help my friend with some stuff he needs to take care of.

ETA: the part about "finding you" was creepy, sorry about that...
We are doing an in and an out Friday night to see a show at Ocean Resort. We have a reservation at Amada, the Spanish restaurant at the resort. I swore after being in Spain for 10 days earlier this year I would not eat tapas again, but Amada has some very spectacular ratings, and the food looks really good. Sorry for the FSU beatdown thread derail, and hopefully jaydog is enjoying the OT interlude!!!
I'm open to meeting people from the board. Have met several people who seemed kind of mean at times on these boards, and they are very nice in person.
 
Show me the date of where it says they aren’t

Hence, this is a subjective ranking because there is no truly accurate list

Valuation of teams does not equate to brand
Furthermore, any list that has Ole Miss above FSU is laughable Best

The one that you produced with the Teams is so comical it’s not even worth a retort, and I still can’t believe I read that potentially lost brain cells with that drivel

Of course I know you’re not an A&M fan, hell you don’t even go to Rutgers games anymore

No, I did not go to Ireland, as I’ve been there before and my wife and daughter had no desire to go

But yes, I went to Boston College. I’ll be at Clemson, Duke, Miami, and the gator game.

Also Virginia Tech versus Vanderbilt on Saturday, and the Rutgers versus Howard game on Thursday, and This year I’ll probably go to 12 games total, not including bowl games, etc..

Meanwhile, you couldn’t get your lazy ass over to the Bronx for our first bowl game in over a decade

How many times are you going to come on here and embarrass yourself, with rants before 5 AM directed at a guy that you claimed not to like for a team you reportedly can’t stand

There are times I feel bad for you. Jay dog actually has a big heart and loves to help others. Unfortunately, I think you’re well past that point.
Hey stupid, all 3 of my links were data based. You are the guy embarrassing yourself, you're are trying to prop up an 0-2 team.... that's embarrassing. Also embarrassing that you can't find a data based ranking for FSU in the Top Ten. 😂😂😂😂 Another stupid loud mouth with biased opinions and not facts. Go pick on somebody else that actually cares about your opinion. Like an FSU fan that still cares about an 0-2 team.
 
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Hey stupid, all 3 of my links were data based. You are the guy embarrassing yourself, you're are trying to prop up an 0-2 team.... that's embarrassing. Also embarrassing that you can't find a data based ranking for FSU in the Top Ten. 😂😂😂😂
Looks like nap time is over
You have some good dreams ?

The only data driven link was the valuation one, which, again, has nothing to do with strength of brand

Again I ask, in what universe is A & M is ahead of UT?
On what planet is Ole Miss ahead of A & M ?
In what realm is Wisconsin even in this conversation ?

Here’s what I recommend…

Go back to sleep, read a book, take a bike ride, go on a hike, do some research, anything really… except, talking college football.

Which, given those laughable links and even worse personal takes, would probably be the best thing for the sake of this board and your overall well being
 
Looks like nap time is over
You have some good dreams ?

The only data driven link was the valuation one, which, again, has nothing to do with strength of brand

Again I ask, in what universe is A & M is ahead of UT?
On what planet is Ole Miss ahead of A & M ?
In what realm is Wisconsin even in this conversation ?

Here’s what I recommend…

Go back to sleep, read a book, take a bike ride, go on a hike, do some research, anything really… except, talking college football.

Which, given those laughable links and even worse personal takes, would probably be the best thing for the sake of this board and your overall well being
Nap time?? You need a nap with all the drinking you do. I was out on a 60 mile ride starting/ending in Cape May. Wrong again!!
Maybe you should actually read the articles I posted for your answer why A&M is #1 in Athletic Department funds. I'm guessing you don't understand that A&M is in the SEC and Texas was in the Big 12 last season.
What's laughable is you still haven't found a data based ranking without FSU. Or explained why you passed on the Ireland trip. You remind me of the Syracuse and UCONN JO's. Invading the Rutger's board. Back to the ignore list for you!
 
The list was fine until it got to the final 5 - way off on those schools
Of the final 5, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, Nebraska, I can see Tennessee and Wisconsin for National, but not the other 3. Clemson's shine is wearing off, Nebraska's and Auburn's has worn off.
 
Nap time?? You need a nap with all the drinking you do. I was out on a 60 mile ride starting/ending in Cape May. Wrong again!!
Maybe you should actually read the articles I posted for your answer why A&M is #1 in Athletic Department funds. I'm guessing you don't understand that A&M is in the SEC and Texas was in the Big 12 last season.
What's laughable is you still haven't found a data based ranking without FSU. Or explained why you passed on the Ireland trip. You remind me of the Syracuse and UCONN JO's. Invading the Rutger's board. Back to the ignore list for you!
I’m flattered you actually care enough to put me on ignore - or rather that you initially put me on, then took me off, and now back on

Re brand - Show me a reputable list

As I’ve pointed out, none of those are - and the valuation one is not based off grand

No Ireland trip as wife & daughter weren’t down w it, I’ve already been there, it’s the week we take our vacation and since my wife is cool w me taking half a dozen flights for fsu in addition to attending Rutgers football / bball / wrestling, it wasn’t something I particularly cared about

More importantly, why didn’t you attend our first bowl game in a decade, in the Bronx no less?

For someone who roboposts and purports to be a big fan as you, that actually surprised me - I was disappointed we never got a chance to meet !!
 
We want fair money that will allow us to compete
Falling 50 mil/year will not permit that, as other sports besides football will suffer

We've tried doing it behind closed doors w/the ACC for years
It got us nowhere, but further behind the 8 ball

What magic wand/levers could ACC management have pulled/waved over the last X years to be comparable in payout to the $EC and B1G Buck(eye)s conferences are getting today? Without a clear path for that to happen, the constant statements demanding FSU be taking in as much $$ annually as the teams in those leagues come across like Veruca Salt stomping her foot and saying, "Daddy, I want it NOW!"
 
What magic wand/levers could ACC management have pulled/waved over the last X years to be comparable in payout to the $EC and B1G Buck(eye)s conferences are getting today? Without a clear path for that to happen, the constant statements demanding FSU be taking in as much $$ annually as the teams in those leagues come across like Veruca Salt stomping her foot and saying, "Daddy, I want it NOW!"
Being proactive in acquiring big name schools (Texas / Oklahoma), instead of sitting on their ass watching them go to the SEC

Not watching Notre Dame bend them over during the COVID season when they had zero leverage

Don’t require member schools to sign a 20 year deal in order to get a tv network

Not giving sweetheart network deals to the commissioners son at the expense of member schools

Don’t implement policies without member schools knowing or taking a vote on it, which violates the contract

Encourage your member schools to prioritize football

Stop showing women’s lax and 1995 Duke / unc reruns instead of football on ACCN

Put out an actual statement like they have a shit when we got hosed out of the college fb playoff, in large part due to their incompetance

Need I go on ?
 
The college football landscape has shifted towards the haves and the have nots in terms of conference affiliation. Many ACC schools seem to be the unlucky have nots, possibly due to poor conference leadership. Why is FSU any different than the rest of them? Sure it sucks, but why is FSU different than Clemson or UNC?
 
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The college football landscape has shifted towards the haves and the have nots in terms of conference affiliation. Many ACC schools seem to be the unlucky have nots, possibly due to poor conference leadership. Why is FSU any different than the rest of them? Sure it sucks, but why is FSU different than Clemson or UNC?
Bc we have aspirations to be elite, while the bottom dwellers are content cashing paychecks

Clemson and UNC have the same goals and are also looking to get out
 
Bc we have aspirations to be elite, while the bottom dwellers are content cashing paychecks

Clemson and UNC have the same goals and are also looking to get out
That doesn’t mean FSU is entitled to something the remaining conference schools are not.

Maybe you get lucky by being thrown a lifeline from another conference, but it doesn’t change the fact that legally & contractually, FSU = Wake Forest.
 
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That doesn’t mean FSU is entitled to something the remaining conference schools are not.

Maybe you get lucky by being thrown a lifeline from another conference, but it doesn’t change the fact that legally & contractually, FSU = Wake Forest.
They’re not entitled to anything - but if they remain where they’re at, through no fault of their own, they’ll become non competitive in other sports at the expense of football

Thankfully, from everything I’ve heard and was reinforced to me this weekend, a 2026 departure into the B1G or SEC appears imminent
 
They’re not entitled to anything - but if they remain where they’re at, through no fault of their own, they’ll become non competitive in other sports at the expense of football

Thankfully, from everything I’ve heard and was reinforced to me this weekend, a 2026 departure into the B1G or SEC appears imminent
I wouldn’t say it’s through no fault of their own. They entered the same contract with the ACC as every other school did. Like I said, conference haves & have nots. Rutgers got lucky and is a ‘have,’ FSU currently is unlucky and is a ‘have not.’ Maybe that will change in the future, but the ‘we have bigger aspirations than any other ACC school’ argument is meaningless.
 
I wouldn’t say it’s through no fault of their own. They entered the same contract with the ACC as every other school did. Like I said, conference haves & have nots. Rutgers got lucky and is a ‘have,’ FSU currently is unlucky and is a ‘have not.’ Maybe that will change in the future, but the ‘we have bigger aspirations than any other ACC school’ argument is meaningless.
Not when you've almost single handedly been carrying the league for the majority of the time you've been in
It's all hearsay and hyperbole anyway as they're in the midst of getting out soon

Until then, we'll likely keep seeing the same things pop up
And in the event they get into the B1G, guys like Short Bus may keel over upon their entrance
 
Not when you've almost single handedly been carrying the league for the majority of the time you've been in
It's all hearsay and hyperbole anyway as they're in the midst of getting out soon

Until then, we'll likely keep seeing the same things pop up
And in the event they get into the B1G, guys like Short Bus may keel over upon their entrance
But that’s my whole point. Performance in the league doesn’t matter when you’ve entered into the same agreement everyone else has. I think this is the issue many people have with FSU’s very loud public whining. Contractually, FSU equals Wake equals Cuse equals UNC equals Pitt etc etc etc.

Now if we’re letting emotion enter the equation, I think most Rutgers fans really enjoy seeing the ACC being left behind given how they raided the old Big East in their quest for superiority.
 
Being proactive in acquiring big name schools (Texas / Oklahoma), instead of sitting on their ass watching them go to the SEC

Not watching Notre Dame bend them over during the COVID season when they had zero leverage

Don’t require member schools to sign a 20 year deal in order to get a tv network

Not giving sweetheart network deals to the commissioners son at the expense of member schools

Don’t implement policies without member schools knowing or taking a vote on it, which violates the contract

Encourage your member schools to prioritize football

Stop showing women’s lax and 1995 Duke / unc reruns instead of football on ACCN

Put out an actual statement like they have a shit when we got hosed out of the college fb playoff, in large part due to their incompetance

Need I go on ?

A summary of why the SEC and B1G don't want FSU.
 
Not when you've almost single handedly been carrying the league for the majority of the time you've been in
It's all hearsay and hyperbole anyway as they're in the midst of getting out soon

Until then, we'll likely keep seeing the same things pop up
And in the event they get into the B1G, guys like Short Bus may keel over upon their entrance

And another reason why the Big Two don't want FSU's bellyaching antics.
 
But that’s my whole point. Performance in the league doesn’t matter when you’ve entered into the same agreement everyone else has. I think this is the issue many people have with FSU’s very loud public whining. Contractually, FSU equals Wake equals Cuse equals UNC equals Pitt etc etc etc.

Now if we’re letting emotion enter the equation, I think most Rutgers fans really enjoy seeing the ACC being left behind given how they raided the old Big East in their quest for superiority.
There's no emotion - this is strictly business
If they don't leave, and leave soon, one of two things happens

Either football suffers, and the other sports stay remotely competitive
Or football doesn't suffer, at the expense of all the other sports

It's pretty black and white
 
There's no emotion - this is strictly business
If they don't leave, and leave soon, one of two things happens

Either football suffers, and the other sports stay remotely competitive
Or football doesn't suffer, at the expense of all the other sports

It's pretty black and white
With respect, you’re oozing emotion in your defense of FSU. And that’s fine — you’re a fan so you’re allowed to. Just don’t pretend you’re not.

The business side of things will take care of themselves in time…we will see.

My only point in this entire discussion (ignoring whatever came up in this thread prior to me engaging) is that contractually, FSU is no different than any other ACC school — bottom feeder or not.
 
With respect, you’re oozing emotion in your defense of FSU. And that’s fine — you’re a fan so you’re allowed to. Just don’t pretend you’re not.

The business side of things will take care of themselves in time…we will see.

My only point in this entire discussion (ignoring whatever came up in this thread prior to me engaging) is that contractually, FSU is no different than any other ACC school — bottom feeder or not.
I'm oozing nothing - this has, and always will be about, business
if I didn't have guys I trusted giving me info about them leaving, I wouldn't be coming on here talking about it

In regard to contractually them being the same, of course they are
Nobody's arguing that point
 
😂😂😂 oh so funny!! I'm crying laughing so much I need a new box of Kleenex😁
National Brand my ass!
 
😂😂😂 oh so funny!! I'm crying laughing so much I need a new box of Kleenex😁
National Brand my ass!
Slappy’s awake!

Definitely not how we wanted to start the year, but as we all know so well in Rutgers land, three games does not make a season

Glad to see I have mind-****ed you so bad though that you root hard against the team you have no affiliation for or against

After the Fugazi rain and birthday party fiasco, I assumed you liked it lubed up - unfortunately though (or maybe, fortunately for your liking), I’ve gone in dry
 
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Fun seeing them 0-3.
They look so bad and lost right now that I don’t see where any wins are coming from. I don’t really dislike them, but in terms of perception, I put them in the Miami bucket. Great at one time, but middle of the pack now.
 
Florida State made $1.3 million pay-to-slay payment to Memphis for this one. Oops.
 
They can't. stop the run. They can't run the ball. And they don't have a good qb.

Recipe for a disaster start.
 
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