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OT: If I hear/see one more thing about Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift........

Haha you said you didn't want to hear about those two anymore. But you start a thread on it and keep it going. You are a clown on multiple levels in
Glad I could make you laugh. Seems like you could use a little more laughter in your life. Hope you have a better day.
 
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Ms. Swift is going to be at the Chiefs-Jets game, so the SwiftMania is likely going to go through the roof and keep this thread going for at least another week.
Maybe the Jet organization can convince her to sing a few songs at halftime . It could help lighten the mood and give some temporary relief to Jet fans ongoing misery (this is coming from a Jet fan).
 
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If anything, this is a welcome boost to the Chiefs social media presence, after previous Super Influencer Jackson Mahomes got arrested.
 
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Glad I could make you laugh. Seems like you could use a little more laughter in your life. Hope you have a better day.
I could use a laugh?? Now that's funny. You took my first comment and took it seriously. I'm always happy. You need to buy yourself a sense of humor!
 
I was on a cruise this summer and whenever someone did karaoke of her the place went wild and most sang along, and it was about every third song. Didn't know too much about her but learned a lot in this thread and clicked on the songs, pretty good. She seems like the whole package, looks, brains, classy and writes/sings/plays. I always respect artists a little more when they do all three, like Paul Simon, Dylan, Springsteen, etc. Maybe I will become a Swiftee :)
 
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I was on a cruise this summer and whenever someone did karaoke of her the place went wild and most sang along, and it was about every third song. Didn't know too much about her but learned a lot in this thread and clicked on the songs, pretty good. She seems like the whole package, looks, brains, classy and writes/sings/plays. I always respect artists a little more when they do all three, like Paul Simon, Dylan, Springsteen, etc. Maybe I will become a Swiftee :)

Swift is great for karaoke because she sing-talks and talk-sings
Nobody has to belt out like Adele
Her lyrics are also clear to understand
Many singers intentionally blur, truncate, expand etc lyrics for sonic effect and ease of performamce.
They juggle vowels and consonants to highlight the vowels ("Oh say can you SEEEEEEEE" vs "Oh say can you SSSSSSSee).

If a singer is hard to understand its probably not an accident - they sing poetically and not like grammar nazee.
That's not a problem with Swift (who had training) and its fun to see/hear 1000s of fans being able to sing along so easily.

rOmEEO tAAAk mEE...

Listen to all the juiced vowels in this - its a vowel-gasm

 
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I know TS is really big but for my money as a person in their early 40’s, I’ve never seen anything like Michael Jackson. And I’m not even a fan of his. I try to explain to my students how his video premiers on MTV were events (when MTV still played videos). Kids would run home from school to watch with their friends. His vocals and dancing was unreal. I think him becoming a weirdo and an accused pedo later in life really altered the the public’s memories of him. Between Thriller and Bad albums, that guy was in another stratosphere as far as entertainers go.
 
I know TS is really big but for my money as a person in their early 40’s, I’ve never seen anything like Michael Jackson. And I’m not even a fan of his. I try to explain to my students how his video premiers on MTV were events (when MTV still played videos). Kids would run home from school to watch with their friends. His vocals and dancing was unreal. I think him becoming a weirdo and an accused pedo later in life really altered the the public’s memories of him. Between Thriller and Bad albums, that guy was in another stratosphere as far as entertainers go.

I think Swift and Jackson followed the same arc of maturing talents.
Both were good young - right off the bat - and kept getting better.
Michael was just more a dancer and Swift more of a musican/writer.
Michael had his siblings and Taylor had her family involved 100%, Swift's family was much healthier though.

I knew Jackson's therapist and he never thought Jackson was an abuser. He hated his father (mean) and thats a reason he was into the surgery and skin changes - he hated looking in the mirror and seeing his fathers likeness.

Jackson never felt like he had a normal childhood. and he was sort of looking for his lost self in kids who were his age when he went off the rails. He reminded me of Vietnam vets I knew who used to tell me they didn't know how to grow-up because they were stuck at 18.

Speaking of plastic surgery and color changes. I like Swift is an actual blonde and always has been. I'm tired of bottle blondes a long time now. They dont even hide the racoon streaks anymore.




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I think Swift and Jackson followed the same arc of maturing talents.
Both were good young - right off the bat - and kept getting better.
Michael was just more a dancer and Swift more of a musican/writer.
Michael had his siblings and Taylor had her family involved 100%, Swift's family was much healthier though.

I knew Jackson's therapist and he never thought Jackson was an abuser. He hated his father (mean) and thats a reason he was into the surgery and skin changes - he hated looking in the mirror and seeing his fathers likeness.

Jackson never felt like he had a normal childhood. and he was sort of looking for his lost self in kids who were his age when he went off the rails. He reminded me of Vietnam vets I knew who used to tell me they didn't know how to grow-up because they were stuck at 18.

Speaking of plastic surgery and color changes. I like Swift is an actual blonde and always has been. I'm tired of bottle blondes a long time now. They dont even hide the racoon streaks anymore.




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Interesting insight. Michael also wrote and vo-produced. I just go back to Berry Gordy’s story about Stevie Wonder. Said they never saw a talent like him at MoTown until…Michael came along. MJ changed everything.

Maybe it’s because when I think of Swift I just see Tweens and females as majority of fans. Michael appealed to everyone. There wasn’t a soul on the planet who didn’t know who he was. And that was before social media and when basic cable was still in its infancy.
 
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Taylor Swift hasnt even done a Super Bowl halftime

We get Usher this year....bahahaha

I know he was legit popular for a few years but I cannot name a song by him. The bar really has been lowered. They might as well go with some Korean boy/girl band
 
Taylor Swift hasnt even done a Super Bowl halftime

We get Usher this year....bahahaha

I know he was legit popular for a few years but I cannot name a song by him. The bar really has been lowered. They might as well go with some Korean boy/girl band
She was offered it this year and turned it down as it's in the middle of her World Tour.
Has anyone played at the Super Bowl at the peak of their careers?
Doesn't matter to me, I usually don't watch the halftime show anymore. As far as this year I won't be watching again. The number of songs I know of Usher or even Swift combined is zero.
 
Taylor Swift hasnt even done a Super Bowl halftime

We get Usher this year....bahahaha

I know he was legit popular for a few years but I cannot name a song by him. The bar really has been lowered. They might as well go with some Korean boy/girl band
Just you wait Bac that is on the horizon!
 
I thought singers paid to do the Super Bowl or at best did it for free.

Why would she bother. The Super Bowl really does not give her anything she needs.

And for the record I like Linda Ronstadt and Alison Kraus
 
Taylor Swift hasnt even done a Super Bowl halftime

We get Usher this year....bahahaha

I know he was legit popular for a few years but I cannot name a song by him. The bar really has been lowered. They might as well go with some Korean boy/girl band
I’ve always thought The Super Bowl halftime event is the most overrated musical event of the year. A pure pop culture event. It lasts what? 14 minutes? Some of my favorite musical acts take longer to tune up.
 
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Maybe it’s because when I think of Swift I just see Tweens and females as majority of fans. Michael appealed to everyone. There wasn’t a soul on the planet who didn’t know who he was. And that was before social media and when basic cable was still in its infancy.
I think it's a little bit of the opposite - Michael Jackson exploded by and large because of MTV which was innovative and taking cable by storm back in the day. Beat It, Thriller, Billie Jean, etc. all on constant repeat and huge. Also everything was streamlined in that the only place you were watching music videos was MTV - now there is a thousand different ways to see/listen to any artist you want for free at any time. In a sense I think it's tougher to break out today, then it was back then.
 
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I think it's a little bit of the opposite - Michael Jackson exploded by and large because of MTV which was innovative and exploding back in the day. Beat It, Thriller, Billie Jean, etc. all on constant repeat and huge. Also everything was streamlined in that the only place you were watching music videos was MTV - now there is a thousand different ways to see/listen to any artist you want for free at any time. In a sense I think it's tougher to break out today, then it was back then.

I think it's often forgotten how popular MTV was back in the early-mid 80's.
 
I think Swift and Jackson followed the same arc of maturing talents.
Both were good young - right off the bat - and kept getting better.
Michael was just more a dancer and Swift more of a musican/writer.
Michael had his siblings and Taylor had her family involved 100%, Swift's family was much healthier though.

I knew Jackson's therapist and he never thought Jackson was an abuser. He hated his father (mean) and thats a reason he was into the surgery and skin changes - he hated looking in the mirror and seeing his fathers likeness.

Jackson never felt like he had a normal childhood. and he was sort of looking for his lost self in kids who were his age when he went off the rails. He reminded me of Vietnam vets I knew who used to tell me they didn't know how to grow-up because they were stuck at 18.

Speaking of plastic surgery and color changes. I like Swift is an actual blonde and always has been. I'm tired of bottle blondes a long time now. They dont even hide the racoon streaks anymore.




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I agree with the entire post and what you are saying except- MJ gets overlooked for his song writing. He may have some of the most inspirational songs ever written. His care for peace, love and the world was so well put into so many of his lyrics.
 
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I thought singers paid to do the Super Bowl or at best did it for free.

Why would she bother. The Super Bowl really does not give her anything she needs.

And for the record I like Linda Ronstadt and Alison Kraus

True - SB performers dont get paid

For cover the NFL says they pay a lot to put on the shows - I think Aerosmith fireworks alone were 11 million. I could see Swift going either way - she legit likes doing the big shows and audiences but she also doesn't like doing "free" when others will be making money. She rejected Apple when they wanted artists to not be paid the first 3 months of the new Apple Music platform (Apple backed off on free).

With a Swift show the ratings, advertising and and ticket prices would be crazy. She would see that money going all over the place while doing show free? Thats a tough call. Maybe if it gives work to a lot of her crews (and she has many at the moment). She would go big.

My fav SB was Prince doing Purple Rain in the rain ( as the crews worried about electrical shocks). Swift did full 3.5 hour shows in heavy rains and even Belichick was impressed. Someone posted an hour of Gillette Stadium rain show on youtube and its videoed from side of speakers but still give a good view. The most strenuous numbers are early in gig

 
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I think it's often forgotten how popular MTV was back in the early-mid 80's.
Yes exactly. and think of how awful many of those early 80’s music videos were. MJ was one of the first to harness the potential of them, making his videos high quality, entertaining, must see TV.
 
Taylor Swift hasnt even done a Super Bowl halftime

We get Usher this year....bahahaha

I know he was legit popular for a few years but I cannot name a song by him. The bar really has been lowered. They might as well go with some Korean boy/girl band

He wants to do an act with pole dancers.
 
I agree with the entire post and what you are saying except- MJ gets overlooked for his song writing. He may have some of the most inspirational songs ever written. His care for peace, love and the world was so well put into so many of his lyrics.

True enough
Swift for her part also does a lot with her dancers
Like Jackson she knows how to dress and move for big crowds.
It was Gene Kelly who got Jackson wearing big white socks and black high waters .
Visually that made more of an impact and espcially from a distance - the glove was part of that too.
Stories are that Jackson had vitiglio on one hand and the glove was for that - but he used to switch hands/gloves.
Waving that glove and dancing in those white socks added flair and impact.
Swift has that 6' frame with knee-high boots
The glove became the MJ logo.
 
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I think it's often forgotten how popular MTV was back in the early-mid 80's.
And through the 1990s. Remember the Smells Like Teen Spirit video, and grunge wiped out hair metal and a lot of "regular"/Americana rock and roll artists as record companies were hyperfocused on finding other Nirvanas.
 
You watched that documentary
What documentary?
I watched it happen in real time.
Bands like Cinderella, Poison, Vixen, Warrant, etc went away quickly, making haters of that genre happy.
John Eddie, a "shore" legend, but not actually from the Jersey Shore, his star was rising quickly as purportedly the next Bruce Springsteen in the mid-late 1980's to early 1990s, but then his 3rd album got permanently shelved. There were many others too.
 
And through the 1990s. Remember the Smells Like Teen Spirit video, and grunge wiped out hair metal and a lot of "regular"/Americana rock and roll artists as record companies were hyperfocused on finding other Nirvanas.
I had been more of a Pearl Jam fan when they all came out but really appreciated Nirvana and the artist Cobain was.
 
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I think it's often forgotten how popular MTV was back in the early-mid 80's.
besides modeling back in those days, the wife was also in a handful of MTV videos. Also happened to be in one of the most famous MTV video's of all time but I will not name it...lol
 
What documentary?
I watched it happen in real time.
Bands like Cinderella, Poison, Vixen, Warrant, etc went away quickly, making haters of that genre happy.
John Eddie, a "shore" legend, but not actually from the Jersey Shore, his star was rising quickly as purportedly the next Bruce Springsteen in the mid-late 1980's to early 1990s, but then his 3rd album got permanently shelved. There were many others too.
they needed to go away, it was one of the worst genres ever. i will link the doc I am talking about later, actually dealt with some heavier bands not hair metal that fell through the cracks trying to be more grunge than what they actually were
 
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And through the 1990s. Remember the Smells Like Teen Spirit video, and grunge wiped out hair metal and a lot of "regular"/Americana rock and roll artists as record companies were hyperfocused on finding other Nirvanas.
Punk rock in the '70s was a bunch of incompetent posers who ripped off Chuck Berry badly. Hair metal in the '80s was a bunch of posers who ripped off Eddie Van Halen badly. Grunge in the '90s was a bunch of posers who ripped off Black Sabbath, Neil Young, and Led Zeppelin badly.. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Temple of the Dog were the best of the grunge era.
 
Punk rock in the '70s was a bunch of incompetent posers who ripped off Chuck Berry badly. Hair metal in the '80s was a bunch of posers who ripped off Eddie Van Halen badly. Grunge in the '90s was a bunch of posers who ripped off Black Sabbath, Neil Young, and Led Zeppelin badly.. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Temple of the Dog were the best of the grunge era.
Except Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Temple of the Dog were not grunge. Grunge was a fiction invented by record companies.
 
they needed to go away, it was one of the worst genres ever. i will link the doc I am talking about later, actually dealt with some heavier bands not hair metal that fell through the cracks trying to be more grunge than what they actually were

I never even liked most "rock." Springsteen, Frampton, U2, Police, Prince etc were ok but the glam, dark metal, druggie/psychedelic stuff never appealed to me. Screamo, shredders - stunt music - is just awful. Nirvana had a latch-key vibe and seemed to appeal to sad kids. Iit felt morbid waiting for Cobain to die - everybody knew it was coming. Nirvana is popular with beginners on guitar . Go into a guitar store where kids are trying guitars out and you'll hear a lot of "Come As You Are" lol. My town/school/teams were R&B and that's what I heard the most. Most if the players and singers came from churches and they were more normal relatively speaking
 
I never even liked most "rock." Springsteen, Frampton, U2, Police, Prince etc were ok but the glam, dark metal, druggie/psychedelic stuff never appealed to me. Screamo, shredders - stunt music - is just awful. Nirvana had a latch-key vibe and seemed to appeal to sad kids. Iit felt morbid waiting for Cobain to die - everybody knew it was coming. Nirvana is popular with beginners on guitar . Go into a guitar store where kids are trying guitars out and you'll hear a lot of "Come As You Are" lol. My town/school/teams were R&B and that's what I heard the most. Most if the players and singers came from churches and they were more normal relatively speaking
Classic R&B, Blues & Soul music had major influences on Rock music from early on in the 50s until the early to mid 70s. After that Rock became more shallow and tinny. Kind of non descript party music. There was a bit of a rebirth in the very late 80s and early 90s. Since then, it’s been kind of sketchy with some notable exceptions. There is always hope and there are some very good young Rock acts out there.
 
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Punk rock in the '70s was a bunch of incompetent posers who ripped off Chuck Berry badly. Hair metal in the '80s was a bunch of posers who ripped off Eddie Van Halen badly. Grunge in the '90s was a bunch of posers who ripped off Black Sabbath, Neil Young, and Led Zeppelin badly.. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Temple of the Dog were the best of the grunge era.
I'm missing something with the references of who they ripped off except maybe EVH in the 80's.
 
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