OT:LET'S GO METS

[nutfromSEC117]

Anything from Duda or Wright and we are very tough to beat ! Cespedes and Wright 0-7 and we still won game 1.

Let's go DW and Duda , I will be there to see you both break out tonight !!!

 

[brista21]

If not for Granderson and Murph they are watching the Dodgers play the Cubs in Game 1 and again last night if not for them (and D'Arnaud for once as well) they're 0-1 in this series. Someone besides these two has to get hot as well. Cespedes getting hot would be ideal.

 

[RU31trap]

If the Mets win tonight would you take a shot with Colon instead of Matz in game three?

 

[Knight Shift]

I like the way Colon has been pitching in the pen. He is a good long reliever option. Who else to the Mets have that is dependable in long relief mid-game?

 

[FrankZ]

I wanted Wright traded after the '06 playoffs - that's how bad that was. Equally frustrated with Duda. Coping with Cespedes for the aforementioned reason; not to mention that ridiculous bomb I saw live.

 

[Knight Shift]

I second that

Knight Shift, without Cespedes performance and the fear factor of him in the lineup the Mets don't win enough games to make the playoffs. Meanwhile, when Wright was a young player on a team with veterans to carry the team he still didn't produce. Fast forward to now, Wright continues he no-show performance in key situations. First time shame on you, second time shame on me. There is no third chance. Wright doesn't have to be Mr. October, but hell he's not even Mr. May. Wright pads his stats when it doesn't have great meaning like up 10-1 in the game that's already decided. Wright is the type to add 2 or 3 more hits to make it look like a good game. I was a big David Wright fan up until a year ago when I started to grow tired of him striking out because he spends too much time guess the pitch. Everyone knows he can't hit the curveball, yet he continues to watch it every AB when he has 2 strikes. Either work on hitting it or attack an easier pitch earlier in the count. Bottom line, Wright stands too far off the plate and his swing is too long especially with 2 strikes.

FYI: David Wright set the Mets' record for most strikeouts in a season (2010) with a 157 and he's 1st on the Mets' all-time strikeout list. Not even Dave Kingman struck out as much when he was a Met.

Kind of harsh on the Captain, no? Doesn't the Captain get an accommodation? And who are you putting in for him at third? Uribe is not available.

Do you remember what happened in 2009 to Wright, and why that might explain 2010? 2011 was worse from a batting average perspective, but Wright has been a solid 300 hitter his whole career except for a few seasons.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wrighda03.shtml

 

[RUScrew85]

Those Mets pitchers sure have some pretty hair. :p

 

[RCTrooper]

Great start against Arietta! Holy Sh!t Murphy!!!

 

[Knight Shift]

Wright![banana]

 

[FrankZ]

Welcome to the playoffs Captain. :)

 

[Knight Shift]

Arietta pitching in short sleeves. Cespedes looks like he is going skiing.

 

[WhiteBus]

Kind of harsh on the Captain, no? Doesn't the Captain get an accommodation? And who are you putting in for him at third? Uribe is not available.

Do you remember what happened in 2009 to Wright, and why that might explain 2010? 2011 was worse from a batting average perspective, but Wright has been a solid 300 hitter his whole career except for a few seasons.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wrighda03.shtml

That's a funny line "a solid 300 hitter his whole career except for a few seasons."

 

[zappaa]

Murphy's insane, ever since Hudson said he'd trade him, he hasn't made an out, and hits home runs at a 100 a year clip.

 

[shields]

Daniel, Daniel !!!

 

[BeKnighted]

I second that

Knight Shift, without Cespedes performance and the fear factor of him in the lineup the Mets don't win enough games to make the playoffs. Meanwhile, when Wright was a young player on a team with veterans to carry the team he still didn't produce. Fast forward to now, Wright continues he no-show performance in key situations. First time shame on you, second time shame on me. There is no third chance. Wright doesn't have to be Mr. October, but hell he's not even Mr. May. Wright pads his stats when it doesn't have great meaning like up 10-1 in the game that's already decided. Wright is the type to add 2 or 3 more hits to make it look like a good game. I was a big David Wright fan up until a year ago when I started to grow tired of him striking out because he spends too much time guess the pitch. Everyone knows he can't hit the curveball, yet he continues to watch it every AB when he has 2 strikes. Either work on hitting it or attack an easier pitch earlier in the count. Bottom line, Wright stands too far off the plate and his swing is too long especially with 2 strikes.

FYI: David Wright set the Mets' record for most strikeouts in a season (2010) with a 157 and he's 1st on the Mets' all-time strikeout list. Not even Dave Kingman struck out as much when he was a Met.

You lose me completely when you compare Wright to Kingman. Kingman played 5-1/2 seasons for the Mets, versus 12 so far for Wright, and of course batting philosophies have changed since then, so strikeouts are more acceptable. So for both of those reasons, saying that Wright has more strikeouts than Kingman as a Met is not exactly a reasonable comparison. If you want a relevant comparison, in the 5 full seasons he was a Met, Kingman led the NL in strikeouts twice, while Wright never has (and I'm not sure he's ever been close). Wright's career OBP is 99 points higher than Kingman's as a Met; his slugging percentage is 40 points higher than Kingman's as a Met.

But on his own merits - Wright is tied for 15th among active players in career WAR, 11th among active players in on-base percentage, 22nd in slugging percentage and 13th in OPS. In previous years when the Mets were good - the mid-1990s, he had a streak of 5 years with an OPS over .900, finishing in the top 10 for MVP three times. Stuff like "he only contributed when it didn't matter" is baloney.

Also, a nice little double tonight.

 

[shields]

Daniel, Daniel !!!

 

[BeKnighted]

Curtis, Curtis!!!

 

[RU31trap]

Very impressed with this team. What a catch from Grandison. Life long Mets fan. I remember watching game 6 in 1986 at the Melody bar. It was surreal, they shut the music off and 100 young adults jammed themselves together like sardines to watch the game on a 26" TV. When the ball went through Buckners (sp) legs I lost 10% of my hearing.

 

[FrankZ]

If the Mets win tonight would you take a shot with Colon instead of Matz in game three?

No. Familia and Colon apparently are our only relievers now.

 

[FrankZ]

Murph walked for Cespy. It's like that this postseason.

 

[BeKnighted]

No. Familia and Colon apparently are our only relievers now.

Really.

 

[FrankZ]

Really.

Sorry, missed Thor. ;)

 

[cubuffsdoug]

You lose me completely when you compare Wright to Kingman. Kingman played 5-1/2 seasons for the Mets, versus 12 so far for Wright, and of course batting philosophies have changed since then, so strikeouts are more acceptable. So for both of those reasons, saying that Wright has more strikeouts than Kingman as a Met is not exactly a reasonable comparison. If you want a relevant comparison, in the 5 full seasons he was a Met, Kingman led the NL in strikeouts twice, while Wright never has (and I'm not sure he's ever been close). Wright's career OBP is 99 points higher than Kingman's as a Met; his slugging percentage is 40 points higher than Kingman's as a Met.

But on his own merits - Wright is tied for 15th among active players in career WAR, 11th among active players in on-base percentage, 22nd in slugging percentage and 13th in OPS. In previous years when the Mets were good - the mid-1990s, he had a streak of 5 years with an OPS over .900, finishing in the top 10 for MVP three times. Stuff like "he only contributed when it didn't matter" is baloney.

Also, a nice little double tonight.

I was comparing Wright (157 Ks) to Kingman for one season. Kingman as his worst wasn't as bad as Wright. If you accept strikes as part of the game now, there lies the problem with the game today.

Some stats are great for fantasy leagues, but what has Wright done in the playoffs ('06 & '15) and in clutch situations? That's how people remember you.


Stuff like "he only contributed when it didn't matter" is baloney.
Don't be one of those posters here who rip Nova a new one.:rolleyes:

 

[FrankZ]

Big time play from Wright. Can't wish these outs away fast enough.

 

[RU85inFla]

...but what has Wright done in the playoffs ('06 & '15) and in clutch situations? That's how people remember you.

Wrights bat has been instrumental in 2 of the seven games played so far. Hard to conclude '15 a bust with 12.5 games left to play.

 

[saran]

Arietta pitching in short sleeves. Cespedes looks like he is going skiing.

Lol - last night I saw a Chicago player coming to bat wearing a balaclava. I figured it was a good sign for the Mets. I know its chilly but a balaclava? These guys must be whipped in Feb lol

 

[BeKnighted]

I was comparing Wright (157 Ks) to Kingman for one season. Kingman as his worst wasn't as bad as Wright. If you accept strikes as part of the game now, there lies the problem with the game today.

Some stats are great for fantasy leagues, but what has Wright done in the playoffs ('06 & '15) and in clutch situations? That's how people remember you.

Hitting theories have changed in a pretty significant way since Kingman's day - he led the majors in strikeouts with 156 in 1982. The last time that would have made the top ten was 2009 and the last time the MLB leader had less than 160 was 1995, 20 seasons ago. So if you don't accept a lot more strikeouts as part of the game, you're not going to like the current game.

WAR is a pretty good stat as a way to look at overall contributions, particularly when it's consistent with OPS, which it is in Wright's case. The postseason, particularly in his case, is a small sample size - you basically have 16 games so far, about 1/10 of a season. In 2006, he had a good NLDS (he led the team in RBI and tied for 2nd in hits) and a not so good NLCS, but he did have 6 RBI in 10 games and hit a home run. But that's not his body of work - it's the whole 12 years, the hits, the runs batted in, the defensive plays, the Silver Sluggers awards and the Gold Gloves. If people don't remember Wright as by far the best 3rd baseman the Mets have had since 1962, then that's on them, not on him.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Wrights bat has been instrumental in 2 of the seven games played so far. Hard to conclude '15 a bust with 12.5 games left to play.

Wright is 2 for 21 in the 2015 playoffs. He's had more situations where he fails, then he had success so far in the playoffs. I use to defend him, but you can't anymore.

 

[MikeR0102]

Lol - last night I saw a Chicago player coming to bat wearing a balaclava. I figured it was a good sign for the Mets. I know its chilly but a balaclava? These guys must be whipped in Feb lol

To be fair, I've seen Mets wearing similar attire. It appears to be mostly from the Latino guys who have zero experience with this kind of weather.

 

[RU31trap]

Proud to be a life long NY & NJ resident. However, I must confess that since turning 50 I struggle with the winters. Really looking forward to cheering for RU and the Mets from Florida.

 

[ntlrock1]

The Mets look locked in. They have been battle tested going against kershaw/greinke. They are beating/beat the Cubs best two pitchers so far. New York's pitching is by far the best in this series, possibly the playoffs. The Cubs still have to go against deGrom and Matz!

Power pitching, power hitting/ timely hitting, solid defense. They have a good a chance as anybody to win the whole thing.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Hitting theories have changed in a pretty significant way since Kingman's day - he led the majors in strikeouts with 156 in 1982. The last time that would have made the top ten was 2009 and the last time the MLB leader had less than 160 was 1995, 20 seasons ago. So if you don't accept a lot more strikeouts as part of the game, you're not going to like the current game.

WAR is a pretty good stat as a way to look at overall contributions, particularly when it's consistent with OPS, which it is in Wright's case. The postseason, particularly in his case, is a small sample size - you basically have 16 games so far, about 1/10 of a season. In 2006, he had a good NLDS and a not so good NLCS, but he did have 6 RBI in 10 games and hit a home run. But that's not his body of work - it's the whole 12 years, the hits, the runs batted in, the defensive plays, the Silver Sluggers awards and the Gold Gloves. If people don't remember Wright as by far the best 3rd baseman the Mets have had since 1962, then that's on them, not on him.

I was a big defender of Wright for a long time, but his lack of clutch hitting at key moments finally got to me. When there's less pressure Wright is a solid player, but when asked to be the man he doesn't perform as well. People remember you the most when you shine at key moments.

I'm not into 40 homeruns while batting .250. In an era when the balls were juiced how does anyone explain the high number of strikeouts? That's just bad baseball.

 

[RU85inFla]

When kingman played there weren't 4 guys in the NL east that threw 95 mph all night. The mets have 4 starters that can do this and most teams have 2-3. That's why there are more strikeouts.

 

[BeKnighted]

There's a lot of skepticism out there about the idea of "clutchness" from people who study these things, but even so, Wright has two key hits in the postseason so far. It's not Murphy's performance, to be sure, but they don't win Game 1 of the NLDS without his hit.

 

[ntlrock1]

I was a big defender of Wright for a long time, but his lack of clutch hitting at key moments finally got to me. When there's less pressure Wright is a solid player, but when asked to be the man he doesn't perform as well. People remember you the most when you shine at key moments.

I'm not into 40 homeruns while batting .250. In an era when the balls were juiced how does anyone explain the high number of strikeouts? That's just bad baseball.

Ok, so with all that said this is Wright's 2nd post season. Not much of a sample size. It's not over yet let it play out In 2007, when the Mets were capsizing their way to an epic collapse Wright was a beast in September. On this team, he doesn't have to be the man. Just a steadying presence.

He's been a warrior for the Mets always playing hurt and giving the fans a reason to come out to the game when they were bad. Captain of the team. All the young guys look up to him. He's playing hurt now with a broken back and drawing walks, playing solid D, won game 2 within the bat and had a big hit in the 1st inning tonight. He's a Met for life and probably the best position player in team history, maybe only Beltran is better. It's stupid and fickle to pile on Wright.

 

[FrankZ]

Niese with a monstrous out.

 

[zappaa]

When kingman played there weren't 4 guys in the NL east that threw 95 mph all night. The mets have 4 starters that can do this and most teams have 2-3. That's why there are more strikeouts.

This is correct, outside of Nolan Ryan and Lee Smith, maybe a young Bedrosian..."bringing gas" was 90 mph.
Collectively, the Expos staff of Rodgers, Sanderson, Gullickson and Palmer were the hardest throwers in the league, if they average 90 they were doing good.
Riordan threw hard out of the pen, maybe 92

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Ok, so with all that said this is Wright's 2nd post season. Not much of a sample size. It's not over yet let it play out In 2007, when the Mets were capsizing their way to an epic collapse Wright was a beast in September. On this team, he doesn't have to be the man. Just a steadying presence.

He's been a warrior for the Mets always playing hurt and giving the fans a reason to come out to the game when they were bad. Captain of the team. All the young guys look up to him. He's playing hurt now with a broken back and drawing walks, playing solid D, won game 2 within the bat and had a big hit in the 1st inning tonight. He's a Met for life and probably the best position player in team history, maybe only Beltran is better. It's stupid and fickle to pile on Wright.

Maybe I'm too hard on Wright, but some of it has to do with him getting a pass most times. Guys like Beltran performed as a Met and people still couldn't wait for him to get out of town. I like Jose Reyes, but I heard people saying the Mets were right in not overpaying him because he's always getting hurt. Has anyone watched Wright the last several years?

 

[FrankZ]

Could have used that HR from Cespy. Reed please clear this inning.

 

[BeKnighted]

Maybe I'm too hard on Wright, but some of it has to do with him getting a pass most times. Guys like Beltran performed as a Met and people still couldn't wait for him to get out of town. I like Jose Reyes, but I hear people saying the Mets were right in not overpaying him because he's always getting hurt. Has anyone watched Wright the last several years?

I'm not one of the people who criticized Beltran or wanted him to leave. With Reyes, I just knew he was going to be gone; I didn't see any point in worrying about whether the Mets should have paid him what he was going to get since I knew they wouldn't.

Wright's had a ton of chances in the field tonight, some of them less than routine, which is an important contribution, by the way.