OT: Moon Landing
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it could be worse... like posting a link to Asian porn
I think that’s definitely called “deflection”. 😊
I guess you are “pot committed” at this point so it makes sense to go all-in.
The most infamous and hilarious moment of TKR! :)
I have zero interest in porn. The last time I saw any was at a bachelor party when I was in junior high school...about 60 years ago. I never understood some people's fascination with watching other people have sex.
It's a matter of political need, and political will to fund something we've already done.
We went to the moon.
Moon rocks had three new elements not found on earth. They were named for the astronauts. Other countries, universities got samples. The astronauts were pretty high character fellas I couldn't see pulling a scam for 50 years.
"Three minerals were discovered from the Moon: armalcolite, tranquillityite, and pyroxferroite. Armalcolite was named for the three astronauts on the Apollo 11 mission: Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins."
Rocks also didn't have the layering that gravity and water cause on earth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock
The 2009 Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter took pics of Tranquility Base
In your first sentence you mean minerals, not elements.
Not true. Off the top of my head I remember they found orange rocks and soil on Apollo 15(?)
But what he is saying isn’t logical. For example, he shows pure stupidity talking about the chances of getting hit with micrometeorites is 150%. LOL.
I’ve listened to Rogan.
I can’t tell if he’s really as dumb as he sounds pushing some of these conspiracies or is smart enough to realize they line his pockets with money and that’s why he does/says what does.
There’s a fine line between curious and batshit crazy and he often finds himself on the wrong side of that fence:
Now if he’s doing it because he knows that’s what his fanbase wants……….. that’s one thing. But if he really thinks asking questions and giving life to batshit crazy conspiracies is smart, well then……
He’s being criticized for thinking the dude made a logical case why it was fake. He did no such thi NG. And Rogan clearly didn’t have the knowledge or even the desire to fact check him in real time.
It's over 3 hours long! I don't have that kind of time to listen to a former taxi driver explain why the moon is made of green cheese.
Yeah and Democrats don't believe that the election was stolen (another wacko conspiracy), they don't support a traitor or vote for his followers, and don't think that Jan. 6 was a "demonstration" or that those criminals should be pardoned. So, I guess you're a Democrat. Next time keep the politics off this board.
I listened for about 1.5 hours all I had time for while working. My favorite part was when Sibrel stated UFOs and Aliens are real but not from Outer Space. He stated they are inter-dimensional or fallen angels / demonic - then promoting his book and website. The discussion between him and Rogan then goes on to discuss that Aliens are Demonic and inter-breeding with Humans - and expands on Artificial Life Forms with no soul and plans to the universe being superior to Biologic Life forms and will overpower the Human Race.
Aside from that, a lot of it was typical conspiracy innuendo. How the moon landing was fake - the reason because there were a lot of gov't conspiracies at that time. Conflating X-Ray & Gamma radiation with Particle Radiation in the Van Allen Belts. Talking about how some video was faked with Sibrel knowing it was fake and a lie because he's an experienced film maker. Saying that we never went to the moon because technology in a cell phone now has 1000X more computing power and if this was the case we would be now on Mars and all over the Galaxy. Talking about how Gus Grissom was killed by the CIA over this.
Of particular note - he said that there has never been an aviation project that worked on the first attempt - relating Orville and Wilbur Wright as an example. This was definitely not true as there were over 70 various missions between US and Russia before Apollo 11 - many of which were failures.
Thank for performing this service so the rest of us don't have to.
20th century??? lol, you better open some history books:)
cool handle name by the way
Yes I meant 20th century as mass psychology began to be quantified and studied more thoroughly to control public opinion (for good and bad) The century of the self bbc documentary and the influence of Edward Bernays* on mass psychology is quite interesting and highlights some of the techniques used and herein demonstrated on this thread by the replies.
Anyhow it’s all very interesting !
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cool, my point stands cause while 'defined', Brzezinski didn't 'discover' anything that hasn't been common practice for centuries if not Millenia by rabble, writers, influencing agents of all sorts. Hell, one could astutely argue the enlightenment movement,via the social internet of the day, swept across national borders. Vive La Pamphlets!
Paine press said hold my beer
These topics are always fun to discuss. There are anomalies with the moon landing that can lead one to doubts. It’s not unreasonable for people to start looking for answers to these problems. Ultimately I would say that the people who were presented with the opportunity to step foot on the moon are the ones who know. And what an amazing experience that must have been (if it did in fact happen 😂).
😊. That might be unfair.
This was a scholarly discussion that had been curated and put on my “must listen” list!
I didn’t appreciate the spoilers!
(Truth be told I couldn’t even read the synopsis. Even that would aggravate me because we know that there are people who take that podcast at face value.)
Ohhh. There's still another 1.5 hours of fun and surprises to explore for any real spoilers!!
Guess they faked all six landings including a failed one ? If you're going to fake something like that wouldn't you do it once and be done. After you do it once it becomes almost all risk and no reward.
Don't believe it. Conspiracy theories are insidious and make you question your own facts. Obviously, millions believe them. Save yourself.
I saw a Reddit comment that said "A fully fueled starship with 150 tons of payload in LEO is what, the equivalent of about 10 Saturn V launches." Don't have time to fully research that but it makes sense.. Apollo's Saturn was just enough to launch, travel and land and get home.. minimal payload. Starship is a much larger reusable "capsule".
Elon Musk Says It Could Take Eight Starship Launches to Fuel Up a Single Moon Trip
That's a lot of launches.futurism.com
Bottom line: Comparing apples and oranges in terms of what is launching and travelling to the moon. We never sent a shuttle to the moon with a lander in the cargo bay to land and return to the shuttle and then get back to earth. Why not? Starship's giant crew "capsule" will land and launch off the moon.
All of this is funny. Yes, newell basically said that he never believed these whackos, but is now “wondering”
That says he just got swayed by Joe Rogan…
I watched. It’s interesting and there’s nothing irrational about what he’s saying. He raises some good points that nasa should answer.
I believe we went but wouldn’t be shocked if we didn’t. What’s crazy are the people who come fired out of a cannon yelling tinfoil ready to carry water for anything the media or government says
I believe we went but wouldn’t be shocked if we didn’t. What’s crazy are the people who come fired out of a cannon yelling tinfoil ready to carry water for anything the media or government says
Rogan to his credit did take the role of devil's advocate trying to punch holes in Sibrel's points for most of the 1.5 hours I listened to. However I'm very down on the the fact that they gave this guy any type of credible platform to essentially consistently shill his website and book(s). I spent ~1.5 hours on this, and while it might be somewhat interesting on an entertainment level - similar to say watching an episode of Ancient Aliens - I'm hard pressed to understand how in any way it helps me or anyone else as a person and/or increases knowledge base of the way things work. If you research the history of moon landing conspiracies, Sibrel is essentially saying the same things that were introduced and born out of the Flat Earther conspiracy groups from the 1970s.
This whole episode points out the frailty of human knowledge. And while it might be flawed, the scientific method, with its emphasis on disprovable hypotheses and adversarial peer review process, is still the greatest most reliable generator of human knowledge in existence. Without it we are just smart(ish) monkeys repeating stuff we heard from someone else who sounded confident.
My thoughts exactly. Rogan actually argues against the guys point for most of what I listened to. I don’t see any problem with the conversation, it was definitely interesting. Instantly labeling everything a conspiracy theory is more dangerous to me. Too many often end up with some truth to them.
