OT: NCAA denies JMU Request
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By all means .. explain to us why it’s a great rule then. Hopefully it’s better than “if you don’t like it go back to fcs” because that was just outstanding and in depth
What a load of crap. The “injustice” would be if they decide to just ignore a pre-existing rule that JMU willingly agreed to, and penalize all of the other schools who get bumped down in the bowl order due to their inclusion, some of which are G5 schools where a difference in bowl payout would be significant because of their low level of revenue.
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I don't have to do that. The rule exists. It existed when JMU joined. JMU is bound by it.
Sorry I don't find the "But we're good now so we should waive the rule to which we previously agreed to benefit us" particularly compelling. Not sure I'm even in the minority on that.
Yes.. it was. But not THAT MUCH LESS. We had no better option even with teh deal we got.. but I cannot help but think if we made a counter-offer that put a fixed value on joining the Big Ten.. up to $100M.. that we would have paid off that $100M via reduced payments so much more quickly than the deal we got.. which was to pay us what we made in the Big East plus some minor increase... our deal was fixed payments to us and what it should have been was fixed cost to join.
I know I dont always agree with fsg but you made me go back to look- he never said it was a great rule. He said- it was a rule when they took the deal. He didn't have an opinion on the rule itself.
And I feel the same way- it was a rule when JMU took the deal. Why weren't they bitching about it then?
I also don't think anyone could have imagined that the TV deal would have increased as much as it did a few years later and we did not even get a portion of that increase. We were still held to the original schedule of payment.
Someone once posted some info about what the Big Ten's own projections were.. and teh actual numbers were higher.. but not so much more that we should feel ripped off. In other words, the Big Ten selected us because they expected a big increase. So, IIRC, when I did the calculations with this new info about what Big Ten projected.. it might have meant only a few million a year more to us if we had negotiated for a better deal based on cost to join. But those few million might have meant a huge difference to us back then.
Bottom line: it was our fault in negotiations. Of course, for all I know, we tried to get a better deal. But given how our lawyers routinely settle suits and payouts to fired employees... I doubt we tried for a better deal. There was room for it, I think. A deal based on cost to join based on the Big Ten's own projections of increased revenues.. that would have accepted everything they projected and should have been an acceptable offer.
Well, we paid the increased price.. we're here now. Lets spend the Big Ten payouts wisely.
This is going nowhere. It's political pandering. JMU knew the rule before they made the jump.
Whether it’s stupid is immaterial. If they want to change it go through the process, which I assume involves lobbying the NCAA, school Presidents, etc. It won’t help JMU today but maybe they can make a difference for the next school in the same position a few years down the road.
Okay, folks, now you know what to do next time you get pulled over for speeding. Tell the officer it's a stupid rule, that the speed limit is set arbitrarily too low, and that you shouldn't be held accountable. Sounds like a great defense!
Speed limit is law. This NCAA thing is an arbitrary rule.. that's why none of you have any guesses as to why it is a rule.. other than the obvious one about keeping the riff-raff down.
BTW.. people get let out of speeding tickets all teh time... why shouldn't JMU get off with this "speeding ticket"? They won too much too fast? Well, it was an emergency.. their program is pregnant and has to get to teh hospital.. the NCAA should give them a police escort to a bowl game (of the bowl games' choice). If no bowl game wants them then they won't go.. but they should be eligible if not for this arbitrary rule.
ok then- let's say you stop by my house and when my wife tells you to remove your shoes- you tell her that is a stupid rule and you don't have to follow it. hahahahahaha better damn ass duck and run fast .lol
Fair but this exchange wouldn’t have happened if he would have said that the first time. To be fair James Madison has been really good for some time. I don’t see them competing with the P5 programs weekly. I do think they can against G5 teams though
That is not a stupid rule. Entering any house look down and see if you see a bunch of shoes. Then follow suit after asking and/or ask if they have those shoe condoms you see service workers sometimes don inside homes.
For workers- she will always ask if they have those shoe covers and if not- we do have a few of them. She has actually had a couple of guys talk back to her on this...
For guests - most do not have an issue at all. I do recall a few people on one thread that said they had an issue with it.
I have just gotten used to it and even when we go over someone elses house- we automatically just start taking shoes off...and if they insist to just keep them on- it feels so weird
What is this “none of you have any guesses why it is a rule” bullshit? Several of us have pointed out why it is a rule in this thread, which you obviously haven’t fully read.
When the TV money started getting big the NCAA added this rule so that a school wouldn’t realize it had a really good team at the FCS level, move up to FBS to try and take of advantage of that team they assembled to make some extra money, but otherwise not have the means and infrastructure in place to survive being in the FBS long term.
They want the teams moving up to show it is a long term commitment, and this rule that pretty much takes the strength of their team at the time of moving up out of the equation, is a way of doing it.
I don't know about that...That Sun Belt Conference is good...South Alabama is 3-3 in Conference but went on road and beat up Oklahoma State 33-7...Running the table in Sun Belt would be very difficult without a very good offense.
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they have some good teams and players- but keep this in mind too. Right now- our biggest weaknesses are the WR room, TE's and accuracy of our QB.
But, we are playing in the toughest defensive conference in the country.
If our entire slate was Sun Belt, maybe a middle of the road P5 and or a G5...All of a sudden, maybe the WR's and TE's look just a little better then they do now. KM is also even better than he has been. And even in B1G East- GW doesn't get sacked much. I am going to guess, playing SunBelt on a weekly bases instead of the B1g- may just make this offense pretty good.
The QB / WR combo at JMU is excellent. They have one of the best defenses in the country. They are not just the lucky beneficiary of a weak schedule. They are legitimately good. Shame this lame rule is going to block them from a chance to play a bowl this year. Cignetti is an outstanding coach.
Fair enough.. I did not see that. In my defense, it is very easy to read a thread.. find a post to reply to. Reply to it. Then see someone reply to my reply and reply to it.. without seeing every post. They even hide posts behind a thin bar that says "see more posts" in the middle of a screen of replies. So, yeah, I missed that valid explanation... and yet...
..most bowls are money-losers for the teams in them. Also, who would wan to move up with a crap team? Isn't that the reason you move up.. that you think you can handle increased competition?
It is not like an undefeated JMU is going to get a CFP slot and big bucks they don't have to share with anybody. And even if that were a possibility, the rule could be to limit payout to some low number that makes moving up for an immediate cash grab a ridiculous notion. And such a rule as that would allow bowl season to see the best teams, even if one had just moved up to D1.
The thought proposed by a lot of the people who want the rule dropped is that they would take the New Year’s Day slot as the best G5, which is significant.
Is that fair to Tulane or whoever was going to get that bid under the current rules to lose it because of an arbitrary decision to drop the rule midseason?
How about all of the teams below that who get bumped down in the bowl order because JMU was added in?
Getting a visit this weekend from ESPN Gameday will probably do more for them than some low level bowl anyway. They’ll get a lot of publicity for being undefeated and the hosts will talk them up big time to a national audience.
I have the solution.. playoff game... Tulane vs JMU winner get teh slot and they split any revenue OF BOTH GAMES
For those not familiar, just want to point out that that ‘94 A&M team had a tie on their record. In the days of ties, there was a big difference between a perfect record and one with a blemish (even a tie) on it.
To add to the last time thought. The last post bowl voted MNC team that didn’t play a bowl game was OU in ‘74, when they were on probation as the only team with a perfect record.
As for the topic of the thread. It is a shame the way it lines up with eligibility and an unbeaten team. The eligibility issue is no surprise as the team in question had agreed to the conditions.
JMU is a nice story but I think people are overstating how good they are. UVA, who plays everyone close but can’t beat anyone, had JMU under control until there was a late game weather delay. It completely flipped the game and JMU outscored them in the last 8-9 minutes. Without the delay to rest up and empty out the stadium they don’t win that game.
It was also in the middle of a horrendous start to the Virginia season that saw them lose 49-13 to Tennessee the week before JMU, and 42-14 to Maryland the week after.
I don't understand why anyone ranks them 25 then. But that's a different issue.
Hmm... maybe the rule also helps teams that want to move up find a home in a conference. I can imagine any conference that has bowl deals at all.. their members would be loathe to vote in a new team that may rob them of a bowl game.
Yeah.. I think I am getting it now. Sucks to be them though. But as others have said.. some minor bowl game with an open slot and flexibility will invite them if they are undefeated.
While I agree they are not yet a “name brand”team and developing the program; don’t discount how much JMU is working to become a legit power. That school is incurring record donations, has major plans for stadium expansion, a local fanbase that is all in on the football program and supports them without question or the nonsense we see in NJ. They also have political backing and the word down there is they want to be the preeminent program in the region. They will be more than just a one year story.
That’s my biggest problem with all this hysteria over JMU.
The NCAA is actually treating them very fairly in this. They are not allowing JMU to go to any bowl where their going would negatively affect other schools that earned that bowl bid under the existing rules.
However, the NCAA did make the concession of allowing them to go to a bowl where they don’t bump another school that earned their way in.
Since 5-7 teams do don’t earn a bowl but sometimes get them because of open slots, JMU will get the first open bowl bid before any 5-7 teams.
Totally fair by the NCAA.
It was a weird game all around. It was also UVA's first home game since the tragedy last Nov. Even a team in a down season can get up for certain situations like that.
Pretty amazing scene during the Pat McAfee Show this afternoon. They're letting the NCAA have it! lmao
Not really stupid, it's there to discourage schools from moving up that don't have a firm foundation for doing so, and making sure that schools are completely competitive after the transition.
It seems like JMU has proven they're ready for FBS though, and no harm would have been done if they were given an exemption. They're not cheating; they're having a really great year and could potentially be losing on $$$ by not getting the access bowl slot.
Really good year? If GS was the coach, some would tell you they haven’t won a game yet.
No harm except that the school that was going to get the Group of 5 NYD spot under the current rules gets screwed by being bumped by JMU, plus every school lower in the bowl selection order gets bumped down one spot.
